Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 , I have a two-year-old daughter, and we agonized over the vaccine question. We wound up doing the first round at 2 months, and no other. She immediately got eczema behind her ears, but no other noticeable adverse reactions. But that was enough for me. If you do it, there are homeopathics that help the detox. But I prefer just ordering the homeopathic compounds of the disease treatments, e.g., homeopathic diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, meningitis, etc. I have them on hand to either homeopathically vaccinate her (which I haven't done because she had one of each shot already) or to treat her is she comes down with the illnesses. I will not vaccinate my other babies, should I be blessed with them (other than perhaps homeopathically). I would consider vaccination if the mercury stabilizers are replaced with truly non-toxic compounds. I realize that vaccination itself is controversial, apart from the mercury, but at that point, I'd be comfortable doing it, if the stabilizer is water or something like that. I'd even give oral vaccinations in some sort of crummy sugar liquid suspension, like oral motrin or tylenol is in. I'd be surprised if the technology isn't already available to make safe and non-toxic vaccines, which probably require more specialized handling, which is why they aren't used. But that's just speculation on my part. When you decide to have children, there are a number of enlightening sites regarding vaccines. Today, the mercola newsletter contained this interesting information: http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/15/cdc.htm Apparently, there is evidence to support not only the higher incidence of autism as a result of vaccinations, but also add, adhd, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 My son had seizures as a baby from the DPT vaccine. Consequently we haven't done any vaccines since for either child. Soon they will be entering junior high and there are a number of vaccines that are required. We will be doing the homeopathic drops instead which basically accomplish the same thing without the side affects. Check with the homeopathic doctors in your area as they should have the drops or pellets available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 , it is a VERY complicated subject. The " recommended " schedule for childhood vaccines today results in an extreme assault to the developing immune system, I believe. A good place to start looking into it is http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm . It's not just a childhood issue, either. More and more, adults are being pressured to get shots for hepatitis (A & , the flu, and boosters of childhood shots like measles (wait, didn't they tell us those would confer lifelong immunity? whoops, guess they were wrong). The drug companies are working on a frightening number of new vaccines that they plan to push on adults and children alike - for everything from gum disease to cocaine addiction (I'm not making this up). It's even been suggested that *everyone* should have the drug addiction vaccines when they come out, because the presence of antibodies as a result of the vaccine will show up on a blood test, but if everyone has it then there won't be any stigma attached to it. I've spent a great deal of time researching this, and I believe now that most vaccines are dangerous, often useless, do serious damage to the immune system (some more than others), are a large part of the dramatic increase in chronic disease (along with diet, of course), and should only be used sparingly, after weighing all the risks. I'm in danger of ranting here, I better stop. The site I listed also has links to many others. Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Aubin, Great site I'll have to read. I have four children and have not given any vaccinations. One child was a home birth and she has only set foot in a doctors office once in her life so far! Many people I am in contact with that are in the medical fields also say not to give children vaccinations. My sister's doctor, once she learned that my sister was considering not to give her child vaccinations, said she isn't supposed to say this, but don't do it. There is just soo much information out there that shows how bad they can get, just look at all the information and make an educated desicison for yourself. My sister in law has decided to vaccinate her children. She has read some information and decided to vaccinate. Just remember if you do not vaccinate to be prepared to give some reasons why not, even if it is as simple as, "I am giving my children the choice, they can decide when they are older." This has worked well for me. I have also thought of doing a top ten list to keep in my wallet. You could also join an egroup to talk to people about this, there are quite a few started. a Augustine I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye.--anonymous ----- Original Message ----- From: Aubin Parrish Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Vaccines , it is a VERY complicated subject. The"recommended" schedule for childhood vaccines todayresults in an extreme assault to the developing immunesystem, I believe. A good place to start looking intoit is http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm .It's not just a childhood issue, either. More andmore, adults are being pressured to get shots forhepatitis (A & , the flu, and boosters of childhoodshots like measles (wait, didn't they tell us thosewould confer lifelong immunity? whoops, guess theywere wrong). The drug companies are working on afrightening number of new vaccines that they plan topush on adults and children alike - for everythingfrom gum disease to cocaine addiction (I'm not makingthis up). It's even been suggested that *everyone*should have the drug addiction vaccines when they comeout, because the presence of antibodies as a result ofthe vaccine will show up on a blood test, but ifeveryone has it then there won't be any stigmaattached to it.I've spent a great deal of time researching this, andI believe now that most vaccines are dangerous, oftenuseless, do serious damage to the immune system (somemore than others), are a large part of the dramaticincrease in chronic disease (along with diet, ofcourse), and should only be used sparingly, afterweighing all the risks. I'm in danger of ranting here, I better stop. Thesite I listed also has links to many others.Aubin__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 I'm new (just posted an intro today), but this is a topic I can't resist! >> This may be a question with no answer, but is it best to not get your children vaccinated at all? Or just not get the MMR and DPT shots? << It's not a question that anyone can answer definitively for anyone else. However, I can tell you the considerations that went into my decision to avoid vaccines for my children (now 6 and 3 and very healthy). 1. Immediate vaccine reactions. Death and immediate negative behavioral/cognitive changes. This is the reason most popularly given, but I admit it is the least of my reasons. It is hard to prove and the docs *seem* to have an equal argument on their side, and if I rely on this argument then to a listener it would seem to come down to a choice between a deadly disease and a deadly vaccine - difficult choice for a parent to make! 2. Long-term vaccine reactions. I agree with those who believe that vaccinations circumvent the immune system and weaken it. I do believe that vaccinations are contributing to the high levels of auto-immune disease (arthritis, lupus, etc) in our country, as well as other problems (learning disabilities, autism, etc). 3. Relative harmlessness of most communicable diseases to children. Most of these childhood diseases (chicken pox, measles, etc) are relatively harmless, esp if the child eats a healthful diet and gets good exercise. Contracting and overcoming these diseases seems to mature the immune system, and most of them are relatively harmless and contracting them confers lifetime immunity. However, if the disease is not contracted as a child, the adult is susceptible and they have much more severe consequences for adults; vaccines that are effective in preventing the disease do wear off eventually and now adults are contracting measles and mumps with much worse results. 4. Questionable efficacy. Death rates from most of the communicable diseases that we now vaccinate for were in steady decline BEFORE the vaccines were introduced, and continued to decline at about the same rate AFTER the vaccines were introduced. Death rates from these diseases declined at about the same rate in all industrialized countries whether they instituted mandatory vaccine programs or not, whether there was widespread vaccination or not. It makes more sense to attribute the decline to increased sanitation and better medical treatments. Even vaccines that are somewhat effective in preventing the disease usually wear off after a period of time, leaving older children and adults susceptible to much more severe attacks. 5. Nutritional considerations. I'll quote: "In 1948 during the height of the polio epidemics, Dr. Sandler, a nutritional expert at the Oteen Veterans' Hospital, detailed a relationship between polio and an excessive consumption of sugars and starches. He compiled records showing that countries with the highest per capita consumption of sugar had the greatest incidence of polio.... Polio strikes with greatest intensity during the hot summer months [when] children consume greater amounts of ice cream, soda pop, and artificially sweetened products. In 1949, before the polio season began, he warned the residents of North Carolina to decrease their consumption of these products. During that summer NC-ians reduced their intake of sugar by 90% and polio decreased in that state in 1949 by the same amount. (The NC State Health Dept reported 2,498 cases of polio in 1948 and 229 in 1949). Note: One manufacturer shipped one million less gallons of ice cream during the first week alone following the publication of Dr. Sandler's anti-polio diet. Coca Cola sales were down as well. But [the mfrs] combined forces and convinced people that Sandler's findings were a myth and the polio figures a fluke. By the summer of 1950 sales were back to ordinary levels and polio cases returned to a "normal" during that year." Neil Z. , _Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective?_ 6. Good alternative treatments. Homeopathy has a good record in treating these problems. The two books I rely on the most are 's book (cited above) and Randall Neustaedter, _The vaccine guide: Making an informed choice_ (which is less inflammatory in tone than 's book). That said, I have promised my husband, who is less convinced than I, that I will get our kids vaccinated for tetanus. And I will - as soon as I can talk my HMO into getting a mercury-free (and preferably formaldehyde-free) shot! Carma Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing worth knowing can be taught. - Wilde - carmapaden@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Two other reasons for me are: 1. They are grown on animal and fetal tissue 2. You never know exactly what is being injected into your child because other viruses may be in their as well because they were grown (incubated) on animal or fetal tissue. a Augustine I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye.--anonymous ----- Original Message ----- From: Carma Paden Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: RE: Vaccines I'm new (just posted an intro today), but this is a topic I can't resist! >> This may be a question with no answer, but is it best to not get your children vaccinated at all? Or just not get the MMR and DPT shots? << It's not a question that anyone can answer definitively for anyone else. However, I can tell you the considerations that went into my decision to avoid vaccines for my children (now 6 and 3 and very healthy). 1. Immediate vaccine reactions. Death and immediate negative behavioral/cognitive changes. This is the reason most popularly given, but I admit it is the least of my reasons. It is hard to prove and the docs *seem* to have an equal argument on their side, and if I rely on this argument then to a listener it would seem to come down to a choice between a deadly disease and a deadly vaccine - difficult choice for a parent to make! 2. Long-term vaccine reactions. I agree with those who believe that vaccinations circumvent the immune system and weaken it. I do believe that vaccinations are contributing to the high levels of auto-immune disease (arthritis, lupus, etc) in our country, as well as other problems (learning disabilities, autism, etc). 3. Relative harmlessness of most communicable diseases to children. Most of these childhood diseases (chicken pox, measles, etc) are relatively harmless, esp if the child eats a healthful diet and gets good exercise. Contracting and overcoming these diseases seems to mature the immune system, and most of them are relatively harmless and contracting them confers lifetime immunity. However, if the disease is not contracted as a child, the adult is susceptible and they have much more severe consequences for adults; vaccines that are effective in preventing the disease do wear off eventually and now adults are contracting measles and mumps with much worse results. 4. Questionable efficacy. Death rates from most of the communicable diseases that we now vaccinate for were in steady decline BEFORE the vaccines were introduced, and continued to decline at about the same rate AFTER the vaccines were introduced. Death rates from these diseases declined at about the same rate in all industrialized countries whether they instituted mandatory vaccine programs or not, whether there was widespread vaccination or not. It makes more sense to attribute the decline to increased sanitation and better medical treatments. Even vaccines that are somewhat effective in preventing the disease usually wear off after a period of time, leaving older children and adults susceptible to much more severe attacks. 5. Nutritional considerations. I'll quote: "In 1948 during the height of the polio epidemics, Dr. Sandler, a nutritional expert at the Oteen Veterans' Hospital, detailed a relationship between polio and an excessive consumption of sugars and starches. He compiled records showing that countries with the highest per capita consumption of sugar had the greatest incidence of polio.... Polio strikes with greatest intensity during the hot summer months [when] children consume greater amounts of ice cream, soda pop, and artificially sweetened products. In 1949, before the polio season began, he warned the residents of North Carolina to decrease their consumption of these products. During that summer NC-ians reduced their intake of sugar by 90% and polio decreased in that state in 1949 by the same amount. (The NC State Health Dept reported 2,498 cases of polio in 1948 and 229 in 1949). Note: One manufacturer shipped one million less gallons of ice cream during the first week alone following the publication of Dr. Sandler's anti-polio diet. Coca Cola sales were down as well. But [the mfrs] combined forces and convinced people that Sandler's findings were a myth and the polio figures a fluke. By the summer of 1950 sales were back to ordinary levels and polio cases returned to a "normal" during that year." Neil Z. , _Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective?_ 6. Good alternative treatments. Homeopathy has a good record in treating these problems. The two books I rely on the most are 's book (cited above) and Randall Neustaedter, _The vaccine guide: Making an informed choice_ (which is less inflammatory in tone than 's book). That said, I have promised my husband, who is less convinced than I, that I will get our kids vaccinated for tetanus. And I will - as soon as I can talk my HMO into getting a mercury-free (and preferably formaldehyde-free) shot! Carma Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing worth knowing can be taught. - Wilde - carmapaden@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 2. You never know exactly what is being injected into your child because other viruses may be in their as well because they were grown (incubated) on animal or fetal tissue. Yes, very true and a good point I forgot to make. Some believe that HIV and other viruses were introduced to humans from simians in this way. They do check the cultures for certain viruses - but who knows what-all viruses monkeys carry? They can only test for ones they already know about! The other consideration in their manufacture is of course all the chemicals and heavy metals that go into the vaccines - formaldehyde (now just what do you suppose THAT does inside your body?) and mercury (thimerosal) for starters, and a whole cocktail of other yummy stuff! Carma Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing worth knowing can be taught. - Wilde - carmapaden@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 > 2. Long-term vaccine reactions. I agree with those who believe that > vaccinations circumvent the immune system and weaken it. I do believe that > vaccinations are contributing to the high levels of auto-immune disease > (arthritis, lupus, etc) in our country, as well as other problems (learning > disabilities, autism, etc). I have to agree. If I had children I feel strongly that I would not vaccinate them. I started a new job 2 years ago and one of the requirements of the health screen was that I had to be vaccinated against Measles, mumps, rubella, and tetanus. I was not vaccinated for MMR when I was a child, but I did have all of these illnesses. I asked about having a titer drawn and they said that I would have to do this at my doctor's office and I would have to pay out of pocket for it. Unfortunately, I was having quite a bit of financial difficulty at the time, so I allowed them to go ahead with the vaccines. What a mistake! I was already feeling pretty fatigued, but about 2 months after the vaccine I started aching all over and was diagnosed with lupus a few months later. I don't know if the vaccine caused the lupus, but I am very suspicious. Fortunately, I found an acupuncturist in my area who turned my on to NT and I am feeling soooo much better. I thought I was going to have to go out on medical leave last January and now I am exercising everyday and am feeling pretty great! I give alot of credit to NT, along with Chinese medicine. Gianine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Sorry to be late but I was away last week. If you want more reasons to not vaccinate go to www.mercola.com and search for vaccines. One of the articles lists all the junk that manufacturers put in vaccines. It’s enough to make you sick. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 I have a 3 year old son and an 8 month old daughter, neither of whom are vaccinated AT ALL. We made the decision with my son and have never regretted it since. He mostly sees a Naturopath and trusts her totally since he has never had a doctor hurt him with a needle before. I feel very confident about our decision--just wanted to let you know others are out there who have traveled the road ahead of you and will support you in your own decision making process! The mercury was a big factor in our decision. I did a stool anaylsis on my son at 18months and he had high mercury levels from my breast milk. I only had one filling and I had it removed (contrary to almost all advice) while he was still nursing. This was the only source of exposure for him, aside from fish. I still think it is such a crime that a little innocent body got mercury from his mommy! Someday I will write a book about our experiences with mercury and food allergies. In addition to researching the vaccine issue, I'd suggest based on my experience that you have any mercury fillings removed BEFORE pregnancy. I sure could have saved myself and my son a lot of headaches if I had done it. Hope this helps! Best of luck to you! JILL --- In @y..., " Judith Alta Kidder " <jaltak@v...> wrote: > Sorry to be late but I was away last week. > > If you want more reasons to not vaccinate go > to www.mercola.com <http://www.mercola.com/> > and search for vaccines. One of the articles > lists all the junk that manufacturers put in > vaccines. It's enough to make you sick. > > Judith Alta Kidder > Mission Possible > Southwest Michigan > jaltak@v... > <mailto:jaltak@v...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Jill, Can you tell me a bit about the problems you and your son were experiencing that led you to suspect and test his mercury levels, and to have your amalgam fillings removed? Thanks. calvinm@... 11/08/2001 08:16 PM Please respond to cc: Subject: Re: Vaccines The mercury was a big factor in our decision. I did a stool anaylsis on my son at 18months and he had high mercury levels from my breast milk. I only had one filling and I had it removed (contrary to almost all advice) while he was still nursing. This was the only source of exposure for him, aside from fish. I still think it is such a crime that a little innocent body got mercury from his mommy! Someday I will write a book about our experiences with mercury and food allergies. In addition to researching the vaccine issue, I'd suggest based on my experience that you have any mercury fillings removed BEFORE pregnancy. I sure could have saved myself and my son a lot of headaches if I had done it. Hope this helps! Best of luck to you! JILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 Yes! He had colic from the first week of life and I traced it to what I ate. The standard medical advice for food allergies is to figure out what bothers the baby and then eliminate that from your diet. Well, that led me on a whirlwind tour that never satisfactorily eliminated his colic. I took all fruit and dairy out of my diet, onions, garlic, broccoli, the list just kept going on and on. Finally when he was one year old and having troubles still with digestion and solids, and this was disrupting his (our) sleep, I took us both to a nutritionist who was also a lactation consultant. (Everyone else said put him on formula, but I ignored that advice, thank goodness!) She was the first one to suggest that it was ME who had the food allergies! I was amazed and she did some muscel testing on me to show that I was reacting to wheat and eggs, absolute staples of my self-induced lopsided diet. I never would have believed it except for the dramatic experience of having my muscels weaken and my arm drop when wheat or eggs were held up to me, and then also to my son. Then she suggested the problem might also be yeast. I believe this was true but now I think it was only part of the story. I was deficient in minerals and vitamins after pregnancy, natural childbirth, and nursing (few healthy women today are as prepared for this physical marathon as our ancestors were...). She gave me digestive enzymes to help with MY digestion so my milk would be better for Calvin. The enzymes gave me a TERRIBLE metal taste in my mouth. I went to a Naturopathic docotor who suggested the mercury test, based on the metallic taste (the enzymes were " cleaning up " the toxcity in my body). Then, in spite of her advice and just about everyone else's, I had the filling removed while nursing and still feel this was the best decision for us both. Then, I found still two other naturopathic docotors, one who helped support my initial detox and protect Calvin after the filling removal (I ONLY had ONE!) and another who I love and continue to use today--she gave my son allergy treatments using accupuncture pressure points and homepathic rememdies. She suggested the stool analysis on Calvin. We recently repeated it now that he is three and are anxiously awaiting the results.... Now he is fine and very healthy. He always was healthy but I just knew his digestion was all wrong, even though it was too subtle of a problem for the regular pediatrican to be concerned with. We had already decided when I was pregnant not to vaccinate but in retrospect I am SO THANKFUL because the additional mercury and assaults to his immunity would have only made our situation worse. Imagine if formula, even the hypo-allergenic kind, was added to the picture! Mercury is abosbed in the body in place of other healthful minerals and it disrupts the enzymes used for digestion and it encourages yeast overgrowth. The yeast actually grows with the metals and protects the body from the toxic mercury. This was the root of our problems because my diet was already basically very healthy (though not up to NT standards and certainly not with cultured foods except yogurt) through adulthood, although I had the typical American diet shortfalls in my youth. I also believe I absorbed other toxic metals in my teenage years when my diet was probably at its worst and when I had braces. I beleive all that metal in your mouth is hard for your body to deal with, especially if not optimally nourished. Ironically, one of the reasons we get crooked teeth and need braces is because of the effects of plastic nipples and pacifiers forming our mouths and jaws rather than the action of nursing that nature intended babies to do. See, I told you I have a books worth of experience to write about someday. Hope this helps you in some way! I envy anyone who adopts the NT diet BEFORE pregnancy. I did this with my daughter and also had allergy treatments during pregancy that benefitted us both. She has none or very little of the problems Calvin had. Good luck to you! JILL MEYER > Jill, > > Can you tell me a bit about the problems you and your son were > experiencing that led you to suspect and test his mercury levels, and to > have your amalgam fillings removed? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > calvinm@o... > 11/08/2001 08:16 PM > Please respond to > > > @y... > cc: > Subject: Re: Vaccines > > > The mercury was a big factor in our decision. I did a stool anaylsis > on my son at 18months and he had high mercury levels from my breast > milk. I only had one filling and I had it removed (contrary to > almost all advice) while he was still nursing. This was the only > source of exposure for him, aside from fish. I still think it is > such a crime that a little innocent body got mercury from his mommy! > Someday I will write a book about our experiences with mercury and > food allergies. In addition to researching the vaccine issue, I'd > suggest based on my experience that you have any mercury fillings > removed BEFORE pregnancy. I sure could have saved myself and my son > a lot of headaches if I had done it. Hope this helps! > Best of luck to you! > JILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 --- drmichaelmarasco <mmarasco@...> wrote: > Aubin, I just wanted to say that I couldn't have > said it better > myself. Thanks , it was a long series of revelations during my research on the project (which is ongoing, and I expect always will be) that I had been brainwashed, and what I had been taught as absolute was more likely 100% wrong. It can be hard to wrap your brain around. > About the only thing I would have said > differently is that > the vaccines are always usless as opposed to most of > the time and I > would also say that they are always dangerous and > detrimental to the > recipients future health. I've had trouble letting go of a few ideas, like tetanus (I have horses and my family has always had horses, so we were extra-brainwashed about keeping up-to-date on our tetanus boosters). But as I learn more about alternatives to allopathy, the more confident I become in rejecting the vaccine paradigm as a whole, and being able to deal with any so-called " vaccine-preventable diseases " . Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 Aubin wrote: > I've had trouble letting go of a few ideas, like > tetanus (I have horses and my family has always had > horses, so we were extra-brainwashed about keeping > up-to-date on our tetanus boosters). But as I learn > more about alternatives to allopathy, the more > confident I become in rejecting the vaccine paradigm > as a whole, and being able to deal with any so-called > " vaccine-preventable diseases " . Tetanus is one of the ones that I'm reluctant to think shouldn't be vaccinated against. If you have information on tetanus that suggests it can be dealt with without vaccines, I'd be very interested. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 I use the homeopathic remedy ledum instead. Anytime I or my children get a puncture wound I squeeze it to make it bleed, clean it with soap and water, sometimes opening the wound slightly to allow a thorough cleaning with soap and follow with hydrogen peroxide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2002 Report Share Posted March 3, 2002 Yes, I had a Homeopath tell me that he has never heard of a case of Tetanis developing if Ledum was taken. Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: BrenRuble@... Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: vaccines I use the homeopathic remedy ledum instead. Anytime I or my children get a puncture wound I squeeze it to make it bleed, clean it with soap and water, sometimes opening the wound slightly to allow a thorough cleaning with soap and follow with hydrogen peroxide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2002 Report Share Posted March 3, 2002 >> I use the homeopathic remedy ledum instead. Anytime I or my children get a puncture wound I squeeze it to make it bleed, clean it with soap and water, sometimes opening the wound slightly to allow a thorough cleaning with soap and follow with hydrogen peroxide. But what about little boys who never even notice their wounds, much less bring them to mom? ~ Carma ~ To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured, and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 According to my chiropractor on Tetnus it is spread in horse manure. Something we do not have to worry about so much anymore because not everyone owns horses like they used to. Not every horse has tetnus and tetnus will not live in air. Hydrogen peroxide will kill the bacteria. (It is a bacteria, I think I am remembering right) Anyway she lives in the country has two children and the neighbors a half mile down the road has horses and she has never vaccinated them for tetnus. (Or any other vaccinations as well) Grace, a Augustine I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright. I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more. I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive. I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger. I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting. I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess. I wish you enough ''Hello's " to get you through the final goodbye. --anonymous ----- Original Message ----- From: Carma Paden Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: vaccines >> I use the homeopathic remedy ledum instead. Anytime I or my children get a puncture wound I squeeze it to make it bleed, clean it with soap and water, sometimes opening the wound slightly to allow a thorough cleaning with soap and follow with hydrogen peroxide. But what about little boys who never even notice their wounds, much less bring them to mom? ~ Carma ~ To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured, and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 It's my understanding you can use ledum prior to getting a wound like you would get a vaccine. There are homeopathic vaccine kits that you can purchase that would explain how to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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