Re: Re: reaction to MB12 shots; clarification on several points

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The answer is that yes, we experienced immediate very negative reactions when we started MB12. We were on zinc and my son was not that deficient -- low side of normal. However, MB12 drastically increases the need for zinc which can have an immediate negative impact. That being said, it was the folinic + MB12 combination that turned my son into a zombie. It was the zinc that made him borderline pyschotic. Many children have experienced the same and the results appear to be all over the place -- from violent maniac to zombie. Obviously the results from insufficient supplementation prior to MB12 are quite varied -- and appear to only manifest in a tiny number of children. The second time we tried folinic, it gave my son tics which disappeared when we stopped. It is well documented that folinic maximizes the benefits of MB12, but there is a subset of children who do fine

on MB12 and can tolerate folinic, but can not tolerate folinic + MB12. I just want to throw that out there as a possibility. did great on folinic alone. The reaction in many cases is immediate -- that is why I recommend starting MB12 alone first, and then if tolerated, adding in the folinic so you know where the problem is. IMO, one of either two things are going on: Either (1) Genetically your son can not tolerate MB12, or (2) your son is truly deficient in things that MB12 started using -- good news is that means your child is a responder. I would hate for anyone to immediately conclude that the child can not tolerate MB12 unless you have more to go on, because my son had those same immediate reactions (as have a few others on these lists) and our children went on to really great improvements once we made adjustments and accounted for documented deficiencies. In October of 2005, his OT wrote in the daily log (slight paraphrase) that "that 's hand tremors still inhibited the normal use of a crayon or other writing device." At the time he was using a CP writing grip to try to hold a pencil. The OT then wrote "'s parents hoped that MB 12 and chelation would help with the tremors and eventually enable him to write." She wrote this after we started and then stopped MB12 due to reactions. By Dec 2004 we had restarted MB12 after doubling the zinc monomethione to 90 mgs per day (he was only on 25 mgs per day and weighed around 40 pounds) and adding the sulfate cream, etc. We also removed the folinic. Within two months he was able to write numbers and letters freehand, and by the summer of 2005 could write the entire alphabet freehand without assistance. The year before the only hope was eventually to write with the use of a CP writing

grip. He also went on to lose his speech delay (diagnosed at age 4 as a 90% delay) and many other great things. Sometimes those kids with the worst reactions are the biggest responders. DO NOT GET ME WRONG -- I WOULD NOT PUSH THROUGH THE REALLY REALLY BAD STUFF. WE DID NOT DO THAT. I am getting redundant but I did want to share our experience. Vera georgies_mama wrote: Thank you for the replies, Vera and Amy. I read this and thought, YIKES! My son was on folinic acid at the time, but that was all. He wasn't taking zinc even though he was in the low red for zinc. He is not on any multi.Would the MB12 shots have such a quick reaction on minerals, etc.? Literally, my son got his first shot at his DAN doctor's office, and an hour later he was making a loud whining sound, crying, and not wanting to play at the park (unusual for him). When Jon has a bad reaction to things, they do tend to be fast. But usually he gets hyper. and stimmy, never ever tired before.Thank you for the info. I will look into supplementing with these vitamins and perhaps give it a try again.Michele> Hi,> > I am new to this site, and hoping I can find some answers to my son's > reaction to MB12 shots. > > My son is usually on the hyper-side, but immediately after getting a > MB12 shot he became tired and miserable. The little boy who usually > can't sit still for therapy would just lie there like a zombie. He > would be at his worst for the day after the shot, and get better as > time went on. Furthermore, he was very thirsty, seemed to get a > yellow tinge to his skin (no change in diet to cause this), and had > less language attempts than when he was not taking the shots. > > I did do some Yasko genetic testing and know that my son is an >

undermethylator and that he requires the least amount of B12 support > due to no mutations in this pathway. > > Does anyone have any idea why my son would react this way to the > shots? Would it be wise to try the nasal spray, or would I probably > get similar results?> > Thank you for any insight.> > Michele>