Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Dear Alice, Dan, , , All, In a message dated 9/4/03 5:01:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hoon@... writes: Human beings don't evolve by chance, nor does the mind. Among random mutations, some select and are tested by life itself. If evolution were nothing but chance all the time there would be no " chance " of organizing into life. N: I have a beautiful, joyous friend. She has a PhD in Art and religion. Her thesus turned book, In the Hand of the Holy Spirit: The Visionary Art of J. B. Murray, recently won the Georgia book award for the year. She can be found at http://www.padgelek.com/ . She is also what I would call a fundamentalist Baptist who says though she believe in minor adaptations through mutation she does Not believe that animals evolved from 'lower' animals. In proof of this she cites that the 'missing link' has never been found or established. What do y'all make of that? Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 , all, N:She is also what I would call a fundamentalist Baptist who says though she believe in minor adaptations through mutation she does Not believe that animals evolved from 'lower' animals. In proof of this she cites that the 'missing link' has never been found or established. What do y'all make of that? Hi . I'm sorry, but what I make of this is that 'ignorance is bliss'. Does your friend have a solid layperson's command of paleontology, paleobiology and paleoanthropology? If I asked her what Australopithecus garhi* or A. Africanus* looks like, would she have a good idea? Would she know why what they look like matters? *** Would I be wrong in assuming that your friend holds to an of explanation human origins based in zero evidence? I think we know what that's about, in contrast to what scientists study, no matter how incomplete their findings currently are. Ha! You must have known I'd pipe up on this! regards, * an apeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 , I'm imagining that your friend's beliefs dwell heavily in the symbolic realm, and that an argument from science and external evidence would not even seem relevant to her. There is a sense of grandeur and purpose imparted by the view that humans are a special creation. A descent from " lower " animals, by contrast, is experienced as demeaning. Your friend hasn't developed the ability to hold both the symbolic and the scientific without having to change one of them. Marilyn -- Some days there will be more flowers than the vase can hold. ~ Glassmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 , all, N:She is also what I would call a fundamentalist Baptist who says though she believe in minor adaptations through mutation she does Not believe that animals evolved from 'lower' animals. In proof of this she cites that the 'missing link' has never been found or established. What do y'all make of that? Hi . I'm sorry, but what I make of this is that 'ignorance is bliss'. Does your friend have a solid layperson's command of paleontology, paleobiology and paleoanthropology? If I asked her what Australopithecus garhi*or A. Africanus* [* an apeman] looks like, would she have a good idea? Would she know why what they look like matters? N: We went into the 'looks' thing quite a lot, but it didn't seem to go anywhere. Which when you really think about it isn't so surprising. There's that whole group of critters (mostly insects and the camellian) which protect themselves by looking like something else. I had a very sweet step-grandmother, bless her, who looked so much more unlovely than your average monkey that when a radio talk show host looked up from his mike on stage and saw she was his next contestant he backed up three steps. She was a fundamentalist Cambellite (How da ya spell it?). They don't dance, smoke, play cards or use make up. Guess what all she won? *** Would I be wrong in assuming that your friend holds to an of explanation human origins based in zero evidence? N: Well, I guess You'd say so. She wouldn't. She believes that the Bible is the Word of God and what better evidence could one ask? Huh? (Though I Do notice she's quick enough to take those passages metaphorically that suit her and her painting series are sometimes Awfully Jungian! My suspicion is that her heart and her head ain't in the same place on some of these issues <s>) S: I think we know what that's about, in contrast to what scientists study, no matter how incomplete their findings currently are. Ha! You must have known I'd pipe up on this! N: Nah. Actually I don't find you all that predictable. Maybe others do? Best, * an apeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 , I'm imagining that your friend's beliefs dwell heavily in the symbolic realm, and that an argument from science and external evidence would not even seem relevant to her. N: I can certain see how one might suppose that not having met her, but it doesn't seem so to me. Her husband is a dentist (hard to get more practical than that) and they seem pretty much in agreement on most things. I sort of intrigued talking to her because she's really pretty open where there actually Is evidence. I keep getting caught with the thoughts I'd always taken for granted hanging out and have to come home and check on the 'facts'. From what I've found and what does/n't say I guess it's true that 'they' haven't found the 'missing link'. Course my very practical sis-in-law (xstj) once indicated that my mind might be so open everything useful had already fallen out <g> M: There is a sense of grandeur and purpose imparted by the view that humans are a special creation. A descent from " lower " animals, by contrast, is experienced as demeaning. N: I certainly know the sort of person you are thinking of, but frankly would be so turned off by their manner I probably wouldn't stay around to talk with them, but hurry off to my veggie lunch. M: Your friend hasn't developed the ability to hold both the symbolic and the scientific without having to change one of them. N: You may be right at that. The conversation seems to sort of skid sideways when I say something like I don't see any conflict because the Bible says a thousand years is but a day to god so why couldn't 'he' just as well have created man via evolution? Well, it jus' didn't happen that way cause there's no missing link etc. Sorta frustrating. -- Some days there will be more flowers than the vase can hold. ~ Glassmeyer That's very nearly a haiku. spring meadow -- standing helpless with my little vase Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 I have to ask -- what did she do with it??? :-D > She was > a fundamentalist Cambellite (How da ya spell it?). They don't dance, > smoke, > play cards or use make up. Guess what all she won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 I wasn't aware that there was a problem with the " missing link. " My impression is that we've found a whole string of them. Am I wrong? Marilyn -- Some days there will be more flowers than the vase can hold. ~ Glassmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Geist > > I wasn't aware that there was a problem with the " missing link. " My > impression is that we've found a whole string of them. Am I wrong? > > Marilyn I know there's at least one... in fact I dated him for ten years before I figured it out. Kione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 In a message dated 9/5/2003 11:05:17 PM Central Daylight Time, kione@... writes: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Marilyn Geist > > > >I wasn't aware that there was a problem with the " missing link. " My > >impression is that we've found a whole string of them. Am I wrong? > > > >Marilyn > > I know there's at least one... in fact I dated him for ten years before > I figured it out. > Well, I dated his brother for three years back in the early 60s. He actually looked like he was wearing a sweater when he took his shirt off! *g* Namasté Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ Minds are like parachutes; they only function when open. - Sir Dewar A closed mind is a good thing to lose. " Minds are like parachutes; most people use them only as a last resort. " ~Ben Ostrowsky Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. ~mrantho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 In a message dated 9/6/2003 11:35:34 AM Central Daylight Time, nsmith@... writes: > Youse guys better count your blessings. I married the third and we had > four little links only one of whom is 'missing' in tha big 'out back'. One reason I didn't marry my link is that both his grandmothers had twins and both of mine had twins, so I figgered we'd have litters of links! LOL Namasté Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ Minds are like parachutes; they only function when open. - Sir Dewar A closed mind is a good thing to lose. " Minds are like parachutes; most people use them only as a last resort. " ~Ben Ostrowsky Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. ~mrantho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 > -----Original Message----- > From: sampatron@... > In a message dated 9/5/2003 11:05:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > kione@... writes: > > I know there's at least one... in fact I dated him for ten > years before > > I figured it out. > > > > Well, I dated his brother for three years back in the early > 60s. He actually > looked like he was wearing a sweater when he took his shirt off! *g* Mine filled the role more by attitude than anything physical. Unfortunately. Kione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Youse guys better count your blessings. I married the third and we had four little links only one of whom is 'missing' in tha big 'out back'. But as my friend and her husband long ago decided not to take any of those risks, ['faith in action' <g>] I thought it best not to bring up that personal 'evidence'. Blessings on you two sweethearts, Sam and Kione, RE: evolution and stuff > -----Original Message----- > From: sampatron@... > In a message dated 9/5/2003 11:05:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > kione@... writes: > > I know there's at least one... in fact I dated him for ten > years before > > I figured it out. > > > > Well, I dated his brother for three years back in the early > 60s. He actually > looked like he was wearing a sweater when he took his shirt off! *g* Mine filled the role more by attitude than anything physical. Unfortunately. Kione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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