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In a message dated 05/19/2001 6:42:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hoon@...

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> " is the

> difference between different levels.

>

>

Laughing, yes. But, most of the world is confused on this

especially this country, and since there is enough courage

to discuss it, let's go ahead and see if we can shed a bit of

light ... and, there are those of you who could help here,

if you thought that people could or would want to understand :-)

eh?

Caroline Myss, Ph.D. on Oprah is a good example of someone

trying to communicate what medical intuitive abilities are

without falling prey to trying to be " popular. " Oprah was not

happy with Caroline's impersonal love communication, c'est

la vie. Again, it's about moving on different levels. Caroline

was interested in real communication about real spirituality

and not about making Oprah ratings or money or popularity.

So, for purposes of our discussion let's say

love = energy = kundalini

This is not accurate, as there is water = love and

fire = love; so, there are levels of understanding,

and as this is Jung - FIRE, let's begin to really

understand what is FIRE? Let's first develop some

language for communicative purposes.

The drunk on the corner is no more ready to have

love energy on a kundalini level than a kindergartener

will understand the physics equation hf = ?

What is h? What is f? You don't know? Neither does

the drunk or the kindergartener, not that they can't

learn.

The drunk's physical - Earth; emotional - Water; mind - Air;

creative - Fire abilities are totally unprepared for the

energy of kundalini/love, and Divine is not going

to trust him to know how to handle it because he's

been drowning his thinking - Air; emotional - Water;

physical - Earth abilities in alcohol for years. He

is completely unprepared to handle the energy of

spiritual love.

Next, let's look at the guru with the 50 cadillacs

and the harem. Yup, this happens. The difference

is that this guy/woman actually has some measure

of kundalini/love on some level. And, this person

fell out to the tests of sex and power. It is very,

very easy to fall once one has some measure of energy.

It takes enormous discipline not to fall.

And, the energy of kundalini is sexy, because there is

real fire, so, one with real fire keeps it under wraps and

under control, because otherwise all gurus would have

a harem. That is why discipline is so crucial. In some

future life that guru is going to have to deal with the

karma generated from the 50 cadillacs and that is going

to depend on how he handled it, but it is better than the

drunk whose samsara and unconscious (water) is a raging

seabed of tidal wave emotionalism.

Are we seeing some cute little drunk? Or, do we see the

reality of someone with lice, someone who rapes women,

someone who steals from old ladies, someone who would

be happy to swing a broken bottle at you? I mean come

on, how many real drunks do we know? All of us know

some alcoholics, and those who live in close proximity

to an alcoholic know that this is not a pretty picture ...

and, that even if they get sober, it takes years before they

stop having fits of temper like two year olds.

Again, truth is not personal, don't believe me, go ask

a Shaman, go ask a Tibetan monk, go ask someone you

can trust. Don't ask the Pope, in the last century there

has only been one with kundalini fire, my great-uncle's

best friend, and he was murdered by the curia. Lovely

Roman Catholic Church kills its saints.

Lovely,

Jung - FIRE

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<< let's begin to really understand what is FIRE? >>

Fire can warm.

Fire can burn.

Fire can kill.

Fire can consume.

Fire can translate.

Fire can transcend.

We live in a universe of a thousand thousand/million million suns. Fire in

the Cosmos. And in between, the dark energy that holds it together and/or

blows it apart.

Fire + dark energy = ???

kundalini? Maybe.

lightly, lightly,

phoebe

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In a message dated 05/20/2001 1:14:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zozie@...

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> We live in a universe of a thousand thousand/million million suns. Fire in

> the Cosmos. And in between, the dark energy that holds it together and/or

> blows it apart.

>

> Fire + dark energy = ???

>

>

love holds the Cosmos together ... not dark energy ...

Are you thinking of the physics of black holes?

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In a message dated 05/20/2001 1:14:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zozie@...

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> Fire + dark energy = ???

>

> kundalini? Maybe.

>

>

p.s. No, that is called fear, ego, confusion, ignorance,

most especially ignorance.

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In a message dated 05/20/2001 4:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cloudhand@... writes:

> > p.s. No, that is called fear, ego, confusion, ignorance,

> > most especially ignorance.

> *No no no. Phoebe really *is* talking about 'dark energy'. Quite worth

> looking

> up on the web.

>

k, laughing, mea culpa, i'm wrong ... I already said

I didn't know everything about spirituality nor physics :-)

The rest still stands :-) I wouldn't give a drunk my

bank account and God/Goddess - Divine t'ain't giving him

Creative FIRE :-)

Love*Light*Laughter and fading

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In a message dated 05/20/2001 6:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zozie@...

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> I was being somewhat poetical, Bo... hinting that kundalini might be the

> dark

> energy recently discussed briefly on this list...

>

> best,

>

yes, it is poetical ... and i'm shushing, thank you :-)

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> In some

> future life that guru is going to have to deal with the

> karma generated from the 50 cadillacs and that is going

> to depend on how he handled it, but it is better than the

> drunk whose samsara and unconscious (water) is a raging

> seabed of tidal wave emotionalism.

*At root the drunk has betrayed no-one but himself... I'm not convinced he'll

not fare better than Guru Maserati. On the contrary.

There's a tradition that the 4th. or 5th. Indian Patriarch was a drunk. When

the previous Patriarch met him, he said to him: " You really fancy that stuff,

don't you? "

" Is there anything else? " snapped the other.

" Well... There's the alcoholic himself, " the Patriarch replied.

At which point he attained enlightenment and became the Patriarch's

successor.

Not sure the bloke on the corner could pull this off tonight or that you should

try and find out, but... you know?...

m

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> p.s. No, that is called fear, ego, confusion, ignorance,

> most especially ignorance.

*No no no. Phoebe really *is* talking about 'dark energy'. Quite worth looking

up on the web.

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