Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 In a message dated 05/19/2001 6:42:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hoon@... writes: > " is the > difference between different levels. > > Laughing, yes. But, most of the world is confused on this especially this country, and since there is enough courage to discuss it, let's go ahead and see if we can shed a bit of light ... and, there are those of you who could help here, if you thought that people could or would want to understand :-) eh? Caroline Myss, Ph.D. on Oprah is a good example of someone trying to communicate what medical intuitive abilities are without falling prey to trying to be " popular. " Oprah was not happy with Caroline's impersonal love communication, c'est la vie. Again, it's about moving on different levels. Caroline was interested in real communication about real spirituality and not about making Oprah ratings or money or popularity. So, for purposes of our discussion let's say love = energy = kundalini This is not accurate, as there is water = love and fire = love; so, there are levels of understanding, and as this is Jung - FIRE, let's begin to really understand what is FIRE? Let's first develop some language for communicative purposes. The drunk on the corner is no more ready to have love energy on a kundalini level than a kindergartener will understand the physics equation hf = ? What is h? What is f? You don't know? Neither does the drunk or the kindergartener, not that they can't learn. The drunk's physical - Earth; emotional - Water; mind - Air; creative - Fire abilities are totally unprepared for the energy of kundalini/love, and Divine is not going to trust him to know how to handle it because he's been drowning his thinking - Air; emotional - Water; physical - Earth abilities in alcohol for years. He is completely unprepared to handle the energy of spiritual love. Next, let's look at the guru with the 50 cadillacs and the harem. Yup, this happens. The difference is that this guy/woman actually has some measure of kundalini/love on some level. And, this person fell out to the tests of sex and power. It is very, very easy to fall once one has some measure of energy. It takes enormous discipline not to fall. And, the energy of kundalini is sexy, because there is real fire, so, one with real fire keeps it under wraps and under control, because otherwise all gurus would have a harem. That is why discipline is so crucial. In some future life that guru is going to have to deal with the karma generated from the 50 cadillacs and that is going to depend on how he handled it, but it is better than the drunk whose samsara and unconscious (water) is a raging seabed of tidal wave emotionalism. Are we seeing some cute little drunk? Or, do we see the reality of someone with lice, someone who rapes women, someone who steals from old ladies, someone who would be happy to swing a broken bottle at you? I mean come on, how many real drunks do we know? All of us know some alcoholics, and those who live in close proximity to an alcoholic know that this is not a pretty picture ... and, that even if they get sober, it takes years before they stop having fits of temper like two year olds. Again, truth is not personal, don't believe me, go ask a Shaman, go ask a Tibetan monk, go ask someone you can trust. Don't ask the Pope, in the last century there has only been one with kundalini fire, my great-uncle's best friend, and he was murdered by the curia. Lovely Roman Catholic Church kills its saints. Lovely, Jung - FIRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 << let's begin to really understand what is FIRE? >> Fire can warm. Fire can burn. Fire can kill. Fire can consume. Fire can translate. Fire can transcend. We live in a universe of a thousand thousand/million million suns. Fire in the Cosmos. And in between, the dark energy that holds it together and/or blows it apart. Fire + dark energy = ??? kundalini? Maybe. lightly, lightly, phoebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 In a message dated 05/20/2001 1:14:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zozie@... writes: > We live in a universe of a thousand thousand/million million suns. Fire in > the Cosmos. And in between, the dark energy that holds it together and/or > blows it apart. > > Fire + dark energy = ??? > > love holds the Cosmos together ... not dark energy ... Are you thinking of the physics of black holes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 In a message dated 05/20/2001 1:14:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zozie@... writes: > Fire + dark energy = ??? > > kundalini? Maybe. > > p.s. No, that is called fear, ego, confusion, ignorance, most especially ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 In a message dated 05/20/2001 4:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cloudhand@... writes: > > p.s. No, that is called fear, ego, confusion, ignorance, > > most especially ignorance. > *No no no. Phoebe really *is* talking about 'dark energy'. Quite worth > looking > up on the web. > k, laughing, mea culpa, i'm wrong ... I already said I didn't know everything about spirituality nor physics :-) The rest still stands :-) I wouldn't give a drunk my bank account and God/Goddess - Divine t'ain't giving him Creative FIRE :-) Love*Light*Laughter and fading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 In a message dated 05/20/2001 6:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zozie@... writes: > I was being somewhat poetical, Bo... hinting that kundalini might be the > dark > energy recently discussed briefly on this list... > > best, > yes, it is poetical ... and i'm shushing, thank you :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 > In some > future life that guru is going to have to deal with the > karma generated from the 50 cadillacs and that is going > to depend on how he handled it, but it is better than the > drunk whose samsara and unconscious (water) is a raging > seabed of tidal wave emotionalism. *At root the drunk has betrayed no-one but himself... I'm not convinced he'll not fare better than Guru Maserati. On the contrary. There's a tradition that the 4th. or 5th. Indian Patriarch was a drunk. When the previous Patriarch met him, he said to him: " You really fancy that stuff, don't you? " " Is there anything else? " snapped the other. " Well... There's the alcoholic himself, " the Patriarch replied. At which point he attained enlightenment and became the Patriarch's successor. Not sure the bloke on the corner could pull this off tonight or that you should try and find out, but... you know?... m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 > p.s. No, that is called fear, ego, confusion, ignorance, > most especially ignorance. *No no no. Phoebe really *is* talking about 'dark energy'. Quite worth looking up on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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