Dairy Products

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Hi All

My name is and My wife and I operate a 100% grass-based

seasonal dairy. I have been following the messages for some time here

and feel I have a few things to say.

1. Just because a dairy is " Organic " doesn't mean these cows are eating

a grain free diet. They can be fed organic grain, hay or silage and

still sell organic milk which is maybe better than regular store bought

milk, BUT these cows can still be confined just like every other cow in

a conventional dairy. If that doesn't sound like a concern to you yet

then here is another bit of info. The national average lactation of a

dairy cow in the USA is 1.6 lactations. This means these cows are

leaving the milking string for various health reasons to numerous to

mention.( Now keep in mind these organic dairies may also operate in the

exact same manner.) This also means these cows are living in an

unhealthy environment and are sick. These are the very cows that are

producing most of the dairy products that we are consuming. We are

eating in some cases organic products and thinking we are doing the

right thing only to find out that big industry has once again ruined a

good thing.

2. We had our milk checked for CLA levels. We also checked two neighbors

milk.

All three of these are Jersey herds checked the very same day.One herd

is totally confined. The other herd is one half grass and one half total

mixed ration. The results were interesting. Our all grass heard had a

CLA level 3 to 4 times higher than regular store bought milk. The other

two herds were basically the same as regular store bought milk. I found

it very interesting how the little bit of grain the one half grass-one

half TMR herd lower the CLA level to the same level as the totally

confined herd. There is no room for cheating. Know your dairy farmer.

I guess what I am trying to say is when you are bargain shopping for

dairy products and the price is considerably higher just remember. The

products contain 3 to 4 times more nutrients and that the dairyman is

producing about one third the milk of the modern conventional dairies.

He needs to make a living also.

Got pretty long winded

Thanks

[Guest guest]

--- and Bruns

> 1. Just because a dairy is " Organic " doesn't mean

> these cows are eating

> a grain free diet.

Thanks for making this point. " Organic " has become

such a hot marketing term and is losing a lot of

meaning. Organic does not necessarily equal quality.

Do you know how eating hay for a portion of the diet

(with the remainder being green forage, no grain)

affects the CLA levels? If we get a cow, she'll

probably have to get at least some of her nutrition

from hay. Is alfalfa or grass hay better in that

respect?

> 2. We had our milk checked for CLA levels.

Very interesting results. Do the folks at

www.eatwild.com know about your testing? Maybe they'd

be interested in posting the results.

> Know

> your dairy farmer.

I would love to, but it's looking like I'll have to do

it myself (meaning get a family cow). I have only

found one grassfed milk cow anywhere in the vicinity,

and all her milk is spoken for. There must be others,

but I haven't found them.

Do you mind if I post the info you gave about the

testing of CLA levels on the familycow mailing list?

What state are you in, ?

Aubin

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One can become lactose and/or casein intolerant at any time in life. Many people with CD discover they must avoid dairy products, at least temporarily until the small intestine heals.

H.

In a message dated 12/2/08 7:31:36 PM, robin@... writes:

Also I may be experiencing this after eating

milk products and was never lactose intolerant

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Thank you, so this is definitely something others have experienced. Can you tell me how long it take for the small intestine to heal?On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:44 PM, flatcat9@... wrote: One can become lactose and/or casein intolerant at any time in life. Many people with CD discover they must avoid dairy products, at least temporarily until the small intestine heals. H. In a message dated 12/2/08 7:31:36 PM, robinkarpfamily4 writes: Also I may be experiencing this after eating milk products and was never lactose intolerant **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

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> From: Robin Karp <robin@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Dairy products

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:10 PM

> Thank you, so this is definitely something others have

> experienced. Can you tell me how long it take for the small

> intestine to heal?

The best estimate is 2 weeks to 10 years. I'm not trying to be funny, it really

does range that long. Many, not all, see real improvement in the first few

weeks, but total healing depends on your age and the extent of damage you have.

FWIW, my son - then age 5 - took 14 months to regain the ability to tolerate

milk.

Maureen

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thanks!On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Marciana R wrote:> From: Robin Karp <robinkarpfamily4>> Subject: Re: [ ] Dairy products> > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:10 PM> Thank you, so this is definitely something others have> experienced. Can you tell me how long it take for the small> intestine to heal?The best estimate is 2 weeks to 10 years. I'm not trying to be funny, it really does range that long. Many, not all, see real improvement in the first few weeks, but total healing depends on your age and the extent of damage you have.FWIW, my son - then age 5 - took 14 months to regain the ability to tolerate milk.Maureen