RE: Sue

[Guest guest]

It shouldn't be unknown. There's enough literature about the higher planes. I

just finished reading a book called " What to Do When You Are Dead: Living Better

in the Afterlife, " by Craig Hamilton-.

Also very good are books by Damion Brinkley, Rudolp Steiner and Morse,

as well as Moody.

Colleen

Bracewell wrote:

It's like going to an amusement park or a vacation to the beach. You don't

want to leave because you are enjoying it so much. We feel something like

that with life and the thought of dying.

But after that whopping fun day or time at the beach, to get home and soak

in a warm tub and settle in your own bed with a good book -- that's good,

too.

It's not so much death we fear as the unknown.

That's my opinion. It comforts me.

My dentist told me he couldn't work on my teeth because I might not wake up.

I told him I was ready and he said he wasn't ready. The " Not in my chair "

Syndrome is what I call it!

Fear not. You aren't the first. You aren't the only. You aren't the last.

If all those who went before me can handle it, so can I.

I do not mean to be crass or unsympathetic, but we do fear far too much. You

will live on in someone's consciousness just by being remembered!

Old

Re: Sue

If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would rather

me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain from

my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C.

Colleen

abijann wrote:

It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would

go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and

be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that

everything would be fine.

This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from

a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give

you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them

from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over

you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to

be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't

have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year,

I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in

our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to

get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the

original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and

they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled

should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should

be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to

say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final

decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers

at social security. People are dying waiting around for social

security to make a final decision on whether they need money to

live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel.

Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time

could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live

physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about

losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something

the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are

not there and you have to switch which would put your life in

danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how

it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband

will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added

torture.

Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there

is nothing I can do about it " .

I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society

has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change.

Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring

how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the

throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be

tortured, that we live with each day.

Group Email: livercirrhosissupport

web address:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/

[Guest guest]

Not Dannion Brinkley. He died twice and went through the tunnel. His experiences

are documented medically. I've met him in person and he is definitely on the

level.

http://www.dannion.com/main.htm

Others have gone to the astral plane thorugh Out of Body Experiences.

http://www.kheper.net/esotericism/astral.html

No, I will continue reading these books. Most are not wrong, particularly

those by Theosophical people such as Rudolf Steiner.

I feel joy in my heart when I read these books. They make me long for my real

home.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past and

present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh.

I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since they

are written by authors who were alive at the time.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and

what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the

Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

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[Guest guest]

And we've all been there before many times, if we could but remember.

Colleen

Bracewell wrote:

This reading about " the other side " is interesting. What bothers me is that

few have been there. I've read of people who die and " come back, " even the

mother of a school-mate years ago. I've also been told stories by people who

were " out of body, " and were conscious of what was going on around them.

I've yet to hear anything bad or scary from these sources.

Old

Re: Sue

I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and what it's like

there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the Halls of

Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

Jan Holman wrote:

I am conflicted on this dying and going to heaven or staying here and

being

in contact with family for awhile longer. I am just leaving the timing up

to God and praying that I will die with dignity and loving kindness to those

around me. I would hate to know that I would get angry with them because of

the disease. Jan H

> Ditto, it is the pain and suffering of dying, the getting to the death

> that

> has me concerned.

>

> I know Heaven will be wonderful and can't wait to get there.

>

> Come Lord Jesus,

>

> Pamela

> Re: Sue

> >

> > If heaven is so great, why are we all afraid to die? I think I would

> > rather

> > me in the next world than this one. Then I wouldn't be in all this pain

> > from

> > my back. And no more kidney stones or hepatitis C.

> >

> > Colleen

> >

> >

> > abijann wrote:

> > It is strange that when we are young, if we got a illness...we would

> > go to bed and others would take care of us. We would be fed and

> > be in a warm bed and told not to worry about anything...that

> > everything would be fine.

> >

> > This is how it should be for those who are sick and extremely ill from

> > a disease. But, now a days...it is not. The medical doctors give

> > you a choice of having testing done, or signing a form releasing them

> > from responsibility for you and dying. The insurance is hovering over

> > you with bills that need to be paid, even though they are suppose to

> > be covered under your policy...they are still fighting so they don't

> > have to pay what is written there. Three to five times last year,

> > I confronted them about trying to make us pay for things listed in

> > our policy and having to call my husband company he worked for to

> > get it all straighten out. They lied to us about what was in the

> > original policy and refused to pay the providers. We were right and

> > they ended up paying us. Then, trying to prove someone is disabled

> > should not be placed on the patient and the caregivers...it should

> > be placed on the doctors dealing directly with social security to

> > say that this person cannot possibly be working and the final

> > decision on that should be the doctor, not the office workers

> > at social security. People are dying waiting around for social

> > security to make a final decision on whether they need money to

> > live on..or can have assistance. That is just cruel.

> >

> > Those who are disabled or have a serious disease that at any time

> > could take their life, should not have to not only fight to live

> > physically, but mentally and emotionally also. Worrying about

> > losing your home, losing the good insurance you have for something

> > the company wants to go cheaper with or your providers are

> > not there and you have to switch which would put your life in

> > danger during negotiation periods should not be. Worrying how

> > it is going to affect your children and if your wife or husband

> > will have a place to live after it is all over, is just added

> > torture.

> >

> > Nothing gets me more upset than when someone says to me, " there

> > is nothing I can do about it " .

> >

> > I feel bad and my heart goes out to all who are ill. Our society

> > has no pity or compassion toward them and that needs to change.

> > Maybe our tax dollars should be spent more wisely in exploring

> > how to make someones life better at the end of it instead of the

> > throw up the hands and telling them to suffer more and be

> > tortured, that we live with each day.

> >

> >

> >

> > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport

> > web address:

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm still skeptical. I read the website. He's not the best writer. " Just as I

sat down to dinner, it rang again. I started not to answer it, but there seemed

to be a certain urgency to the tone so, I walked to the bedroom and picked it up

anyway. "

He also doesn't go to much into what happened to him other than he was hit by

lightening. There is no clinical evidence. He most likely lost consciousness but

was not dead. Last time I checked death is the cessation of life and to have

life means your not dead.

But don't get me wrong, I have nothing really against what he's writing. I just

think it's someone trying to make a buck at the expense of people who are

looking for answers in their life. He just writes what they want to hear.

Just my two cents for what's it's not worth. :-)

I will read one of those books though.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: Not

Dannion Brinkley. He died twice and went through the tunnel. His experiences are

documented medically. I've met him in person and he is definitely on the level.

http://www.dannion.com/main.htm

Others have gone to the astral plane thorugh Out of Body Experiences.

http://www.kheper.net/esotericism/astral.html

No, I will continue reading these books. Most are not wrong, particularly

those by Theosophical people such as Rudolf Steiner.

I feel joy in my heart when I read these books. They make me long for my real

home.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past and

present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh.

I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since

they are written by authors who were alive at the time.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and

what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the

Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

*************************************************************

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[Guest guest]

If you want the whole story you have to read the book. The whole story isn't on

the website. The first book is called " Saved by the Light. "

He's certainly not the worst writer, either. I've seen a lot worse. And he

doesn't tell his story to make a buck. Remember, do what you love and the money

will follow. He loves to speak and he loves to write. By the way, he died a

second time. He was clinically dead both times. The first time he was dead for

many minutes and never should have revived. And yes, this is all documented by

medical doctors and hospital records.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

I'm still skeptical. I read the website. He's not the best writer. " Just as I

sat down to dinner, it rang again. I started not to answer it, but there seemed

to be a certain urgency to the tone so, I walked to the bedroom and picked it up

anyway. "

He also doesn't go to much into what happened to him other than he was hit by

lightening. There is no clinical evidence. He most likely lost consciousness but

was not dead. Last time I checked death is the cessation of life and to have

life means your not dead.

But don't get me wrong, I have nothing really against what he's writing. I just

think it's someone trying to make a buck at the expense of people who are

looking for answers in their life. He just writes what they want to hear.

Just my two cents for what's it's not worth. :-)

I will read one of those books though.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: Not Dannion Brinkley. He died twice and went through the

tunnel. His experiences are documented medically. I've met him in person and he

is definitely on the level.

http://www.dannion.com/main.htm

Others have gone to the astral plane thorugh Out of Body Experiences.

http://www.kheper.net/esotericism/astral.html

No, I will continue reading these books. Most are not wrong, particularly those

by Theosophical people such as Rudolf Steiner.

I feel joy in my heart when I read these books. They make me long for my real

home.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past and

present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh.

I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since they

are written by authors who were alive at the time.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and

what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the

Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

*************************************************************

http://groups.Yahoo.com/group/Humorous_Heppers

[Guest guest]

This friend of ours actually " died " during one of her surgeries. She went full

code, no heart beat, the whole nine yards. They shocked her heart, and got her

back. She has a story to tell, and tried to on " codeblog " but Geena

http://www.codeblog.com/

didnt post it, or didnt get it.She hasnt told the full thing to me, yet.

Sometimes late at night, when the world is asleep, and Keesha and I cant sleep,

we find eachother in the Yahoo messenger, and chat untill the sunrise.

http://chiarian.blogspot.com/

Re: Sue

I'm still skeptical. I read the website. He's not the best writer.

" Just as I sat down to dinner, it rang again. I started not to answer it, but

there seemed to be a certain urgency to the tone so, I walked to the bedroom and

picked it up anyway. "

He also doesn't go to much into what happened to him other than he was hit by

lightening. There is no clinical evidence. He most likely lost consciousness but

was not dead. Last time I checked death is the cessation of life and to have

life means your not dead.

But don't get me wrong, I have nothing really against what he's writing. I just

think it's someone trying to make a buck at the expense of people who are

looking for answers in their life. He just writes what they want to hear.

Just my two cents for what's it's not worth. :-)

I will read one of those books though.

MaC

MsTigerHawk <tigerhawksoars@ yahoo.com> wrote: Not

Dannion Brinkley. He died twice and went through the tunnel. His experiences are

documented medically. I've met him in person and he is definitely on the level.

http://www.dannion. com/main. htm

Others have gone to the astral plane thorugh Out of Body Experiences.

http://www.kheper. net/esotericism/ astral.html

No, I will continue reading these books. Most are not wrong, particularly

those by Theosophical people such as Rudolf Steiner.

I feel joy in my heart when I read these books. They make me long for my real

home.

Colleen

MaC <mac0184yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past and

present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh.

I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since

they are written by authors who were alive at the time.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side " and

what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going to the

Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

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[Guest guest]

Just thought I would throw this out there.

Legal definition of death, in most states, requires " irreversible cessation of

all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem. "

Below is a philosophy on the subject which is very interesting.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/death-definition/

MaC

Bob Aragon wrote: This

friend of ours actually " died " during one of her surgeries. She went full code,

no heart beat, the whole nine yards. They shocked her heart, and got her back.

She has a story to tell, and tried to on " codeblog " but Geena

http://www.codeblog.com/

didnt post it, or didnt get it.She hasnt told the full thing to me, yet.

Sometimes late at night, when the world is asleep, and Keesha and I cant sleep,

we find eachother in the Yahoo messenger, and chat untill the sunrise.

http://chiarian.blogspot.com/

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[Guest guest]

I have heard from friends in the medical field and from other writers, too.

They say there are many many odd and mysterious things about life and death.

Some who are expected to die walk right out and live -- and some who aren't

really very ill succumb and die.

And doctors and nurses who witness strange or mysterious things are not

eager to talk because of reputation and stresses from the scientific

community that make them keep silence for fear of being known as a kook.

I cannot say I am 100% at it, but I try never to discount another's story.

Listen and learn. I've heard lots of " marginal " stories about this and UFOs

and ghosts and . . . you know how it goes.

I still say most of the stories are lacking in negatives. The one close

friend/relative is positive that she sees/feels spirits in certain places.

Several times when I've been with her, we've had to leave because of this.

My husband was the same. Whenever he said, " Let's get out of here, " we got

out. I don't know if it's threat or just not wanting the sensation at the

moment; I strongly suspect the latter!

Old

Re: Sue

If you want the whole story you have to read the book. The whole story isn't

on the website. The first book is called " Saved by the Light. "

He's certainly not the worst writer, either. I've seen a lot worse. And he

doesn't tell his story to make a buck. Remember, do what you love and the

money will follow. He loves to speak and he loves to write. By the way, he

died a second time. He was clinically dead both times. The first time he was

dead for many minutes and never should have revived. And yes, this is all

documented by medical doctors and hospital records.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

I'm still skeptical. I read the website. He's not the best writer. " Just

as I sat down to dinner, it rang again. I started not to answer it, but

there seemed to be a certain urgency to the tone so, I walked to the bedroom

and picked it up anyway. "

He also doesn't go to much into what happened to him other than he was hit

by lightening. There is no clinical evidence. He most likely lost

consciousness but was not dead. Last time I checked death is the cessation

of life and to have life means your not dead.

But don't get me wrong, I have nothing really against what he's writing. I

just think it's someone trying to make a buck at the expense of people who

are looking for answers in their life. He just writes what they want to

hear.

Just my two cents for what's it's not worth. :-)

I will read one of those books though.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: Not Dannion Brinkley. He died twice and went through the

tunnel. His experiences are documented medically. I've met him in person and

he is definitely on the level.

http://www.dannion.com/main.htm

Others have gone to the astral plane thorugh Out of Body Experiences.

http://www.kheper.net/esotericism/astral.html

No, I will continue reading these books. Most are not wrong, particularly

those by Theosophical people such as Rudolf Steiner.

I feel joy in my heart when I read these books. They make me long for my

real home.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past

and present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh.

I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since

they are written by authors who were alive at the time.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side "

and what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going

to the Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

*************************************************************

http://groups.Yahoo.com/group/Humorous_Heppers

[Guest guest]

That's right, nurses have lots of stories about what they see, hear and sense on

the death bed scene.

Colleen

Bracewell wrote:

I have heard from friends in the medical field and from other writers, too.

They say there are many many odd and mysterious things about life and death.

Some who are expected to die walk right out and live -- and some who aren't

really very ill succumb and die.

And doctors and nurses who witness strange or mysterious things are not

eager to talk because of reputation and stresses from the scientific

community that make them keep silence for fear of being known as a kook.

I cannot say I am 100% at it, but I try never to discount another's story.

Listen and learn. I've heard lots of " marginal " stories about this and UFOs

and ghosts and . . . you know how it goes.

I still say most of the stories are lacking in negatives. The one close

friend/relative is positive that she sees/feels spirits in certain places.

Several times when I've been with her, we've had to leave because of this.

My husband was the same. Whenever he said, " Let's get out of here, " we got

out. I don't know if it's threat or just not wanting the sensation at the

moment; I strongly suspect the latter!

Old

Re: Sue

If you want the whole story you have to read the book. The whole story isn't

on the website. The first book is called " Saved by the Light. "

He's certainly not the worst writer, either. I've seen a lot worse. And he

doesn't tell his story to make a buck. Remember, do what you love and the

money will follow. He loves to speak and he loves to write. By the way, he

died a second time. He was clinically dead both times. The first time he was

dead for many minutes and never should have revived. And yes, this is all

documented by medical doctors and hospital records.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

I'm still skeptical. I read the website. He's not the best writer. " Just

as I sat down to dinner, it rang again. I started not to answer it, but

there seemed to be a certain urgency to the tone so, I walked to the bedroom

and picked it up anyway. "

He also doesn't go to much into what happened to him other than he was hit

by lightening. There is no clinical evidence. He most likely lost

consciousness but was not dead. Last time I checked death is the cessation

of life and to have life means your not dead.

But don't get me wrong, I have nothing really against what he's writing. I

just think it's someone trying to make a buck at the expense of people who

are looking for answers in their life. He just writes what they want to

hear.

Just my two cents for what's it's not worth. :-)

I will read one of those books though.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: Not Dannion Brinkley. He died twice and went through the

tunnel. His experiences are documented medically. I've met him in person and

he is definitely on the level.

http://www.dannion.com/main.htm

Others have gone to the astral plane thorugh Out of Body Experiences.

http://www.kheper.net/esotericism/astral.html

No, I will continue reading these books. Most are not wrong, particularly

those by Theosophical people such as Rudolf Steiner.

I feel joy in my heart when I read these books. They make me long for my

real home.

Colleen

MaC wrote:

My guess is that once you're there, you will already know everything past

and present and you'll find the tuition was paid with your flesh.

I wouldn't read to much about it either. All books about it are wrong since

they are written by authors who were alive at the time.

MaC

MsTigerHawk wrote: I've been reading a lot of books about " the other side "

and what it's like there. When I get there, after I get my rest, I'm going

to the Halls of Learning. No tuition charged, either.

Colleen

*************************************************************

http://groups.Yahoo.com/group/Humorous_Heppers