Re: Using Medifast w/ Hashimoto's?

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Hi Nedra,

I have not used Medifast, but I checked it out. It contains soy protein in most

of the meals, the BAD soy, which Hashis need to totally steer clear of.

HTH,

~Bj

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When I was diagnosed I was told to steer clear of these products by both my

Doctor and the pharmacist due to the soy in them not being good for someone with

Hashimoto's Disease. I didn't ask further questions, I just did what they said,

especially the pharmacist who was adamant it could harm me if I drank them (I

used to drink the Costco diet milkshake/drink one for meals). Don't know if

this helps or not.

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Thanks for the response about the soy contained in Medifast, I had forgotten that.You mention the "bad" type of soy - what do you mean?thanks, Nedra The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.

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Hi Nedra,

What you need to be careful about is that soy is a goitrogen and can reduce

hormone production. Goitrogens are foods that can interfere with thyroid

function and cause goiters or growths on the thyroid to increase in size. Soy

can block how your body absorbs and processes iodine. Iodine is essential for

efficient hormone production. Also, soy binds to T4 in thyroid drugs and blocks

T4 hormone.

Over 90% of soy is genetically modified, plus most alarming is that soy has the

highest level of pesticides contamination of any consumed food. The

anti-nutrients in soy protein isolate –genetically modified soy-- the key

ingredient in most soy foods, imitate other foods such as dairy, meat, and baby

formulas -- almost all brands of soy milk contain soy protein isolate as does

soy meat, and soy baby formulas.

As you may well already know, soy proteins called isoflavones have many of the

same properties as estrogens, phytoestrogens. The big question appears to be

whether women who regularly consume isoflavones could be inadvertently

encouraging the > growth of breast cancer cells. Ever notice that the amount of

> isoflavones isn't listed under the products nutritional info. To find out

multiply the amount of protein listed by three. For example, if a serving of

protein is 10 grams you are getting 30 mg of isoflavones.

Fermented SOY -miso, tempeh, and natto- is OK it's the unfermented soy that is

the problem... we must stay away from highly concentrated and processed

unfermented soy products!

HTH,

~Bj

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>

>

> Thanks for the response about the soy contained in Medifast, I had forgotten

that.

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> You mention the " bad " type of soy - what do you mean?

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> thanks,

> Nedra

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bj,

Would

this include Genistein? This ingredient is in my liquid Vit D. 10mg per tsp. I

take 1-3 tsp per day.

I also

keep meaning to ask about DIM. Would this be a problem?

Thanks!

Liz

From:

Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf

Of beckyjov

Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:30 AM

To: Thyroiditis

Subject: Re: Using Medifast w/ Hashimoto's?

Hi Nedra,

What you need to be careful about is that soy is a goitrogen and can reduce

hormone production. Goitrogens are foods that can interfere with thyroid

function and cause goiters or growths on the thyroid to increase in size. Soy

can block how your body absorbs and processes iodine. Iodine is essential for

efficient hormone production. Also, soy binds to T4 in thyroid drugs and blocks

T4 hormone.

Over 90% of soy is genetically modified, plus most alarming is that soy has the

highest level of pesticides contamination of any consumed food. The

anti-nutrients in soy protein isolate –genetically modified soy-- the key

ingredient in most soy foods, imitate other foods such as dairy, meat, and baby

formulas -- almost all brands of soy milk contain soy protein isolate as does

soy meat, and soy baby formulas.

As you may well already know, soy proteins called isoflavones have many of the

same properties as estrogens, phytoestrogens. The big question appears to be

whether women who regularly consume isoflavones could be inadvertently

encouraging the > growth of breast cancer cells. Ever notice that the amount

of > isoflavones isn't listed under the products nutritional info. To find

out multiply the amount of protein listed by three. For example, if a serving

of protein is 10 grams you are getting 30 mg of isoflavones.

Fermented SOY -miso, tempeh, and natto- is OK it's the unfermented soy that is

the problem... we must stay away from highly concentrated and processed

unfermented soy products!

HTH,

~Bj

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

In one word -- Y E S ! If my memory serves me correctly, 8 mg daily of

Genistein was injected in mice, which produced serum genistein levels comparable

to those reported in soy-fed (human) infants. This dose caused significant

thymic (thymus) and immune changes. You appear to be taking over 3 times that

much! Genistein also inhibits TPO, a enzyme made by the thyroid. There are

quality vitamin d supplements WITHOUT soy.

According to researchers, DIM supplementation has been shown effective in

amounts that are equal to those obtainable from our diet -- 0.3 mg per day. So,

ISTM it would be easier to eat these vegetables in their natural state. Some

scientists say the thyroid would be influenced ONLY if these vegetables were

eaten too close to the thyroid medication times. So this is a personal issue –

about diet and supplementation preferences.

Also, not all thyroid patients are at risk for goiter from eating broccoli, but

just like all foods moderation is always a good practice. I eat broccoli but

always in moderation along with some other goitrogenic foods. BUT, I don't eat

SOY whatsoever because it has numerous issues.

To be clear I do NOT have a goiter or nodules and never have, so I do NOT have

the risk that many other thyroid patients have.

If you have or are at risk of goiter or nodules then DIM would probably be a

much better choice, IMHO. And it's probably best to take DIM away from any

thyroid medication.

HTH,

~Bj

>

> Hi Bj,

>

> Would this include Genistein? This ingredient is in my liquid Vit D. 10mg

> per tsp. I take 1-3 tsp per day.

>

> I also keep meaning to ask about DIM. Would this be a problem?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Liz

>

>

>

> From: Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On

> Behalf Of beckyjov

> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:30 AM

> To: Thyroiditis

> Subject: Re: Using Medifast w/ Hashimoto's?

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Nedra,

>

> What you need to be careful about is that soy is a goitrogen and can reduce

> hormone production. Goitrogens are foods that can interfere with thyroid

> function and cause goiters or growths on the thyroid to increase in size.

> Soy can block how your body absorbs and processes iodine. Iodine is

> essential for efficient hormone production. Also, soy binds to T4 in thyroid

> drugs and blocks T4 hormone.

>

> Over 90% of soy is genetically modified, plus most alarming is that soy has

> the highest level of pesticides contamination of any consumed food. The

> anti-nutrients in soy protein isolate -genetically modified soy-- the key

> ingredient in most soy foods, imitate other foods such as dairy, meat, and

> baby formulas -- almost all brands of soy milk contain soy protein isolate

> as does soy meat, and soy baby formulas.

>

> As you may well already know, soy proteins called isoflavones have many of

> the same properties as estrogens, phytoestrogens. The big question appears

> to be whether women who regularly consume isoflavones could be inadvertently

> encouraging the > growth of breast cancer cells. Ever notice that the amount

> of > isoflavones isn't listed under the products nutritional info. To find

> out multiply the amount of protein listed by three. For example, if a

> serving of protein is 10 grams you are getting 30 mg of isoflavones.

>

> Fermented SOY -miso, tempeh, and natto- is OK it's the unfermented soy that

> is the problem... we must stay away from highly concentrated and processed

> unfermented soy products!

>

> HTH,

> ~Bj

>

[Guest guest]

DIM keeps me sane during my cycle. If you have PMS symptoms it is

a LIFESAVER—ask my familyJ

From:

Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf

Of beckyjov

Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:44 PM

To: Thyroiditis

Subject: Re: Using Medifast w/ Hashimoto's?

Hi Liz,

In one word -- Y E S ! If my memory serves me correctly, 8 mg daily of

Genistein was injected in mice, which produced serum genistein levels

comparable to those reported in soy-fed (human) infants. This dose caused

significant thymic (thymus) and immune changes. You appear to be taking over 3

times that much! Genistein also inhibits TPO, a enzyme made by the thyroid.

There are quality vitamin d supplements WITHOUT soy.

According to researchers, DIM supplementation has been shown effective in

amounts that are equal to those obtainable from our diet -- 0.3 mg per day. So,

ISTM it would be easier to eat these vegetables in their natural state. Some

scientists say the thyroid would be influenced ONLY if these vegetables were

eaten too close to the thyroid medication times. So this is a personal issue –

about diet and supplementation preferences.

Also, not all thyroid patients are at risk for goiter from eating broccoli, but

just like all foods moderation is always a good practice. I eat broccoli but

always in moderation along with some other goitrogenic foods. BUT, I don't eat

SOY whatsoever because it has numerous issues.

To be clear I do NOT have a goiter or nodules and never have, so I do NOT have

the risk that many other thyroid patients have.

If you have or are at risk of goiter or nodules then DIM would probably be a

much better choice, IMHO. And it's probably best to take DIM away from any

thyroid medication.

HTH,

~Bj

>

> Hi Bj,

>

> Would this include Genistein? This ingredient is in my liquid Vit D. 10mg

> per tsp. I take 1-3 tsp per day.

>

> I also keep meaning to ask about DIM. Would this be a problem?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Liz

>

>

>

> From: Thyroiditis

[mailto:Thyroiditis ]

On

> Behalf Of beckyjov

> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:30 AM

> To: Thyroiditis

> Subject: Re: Using Medifast w/ Hashimoto's?

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Nedra,

>

> What you need to be careful about is that soy is a goitrogen and can

reduce

> hormone production. Goitrogens are foods that can interfere with thyroid

> function and cause goiters or growths on the thyroid to increase in size.

> Soy can block how your body absorbs and processes iodine. Iodine is

> essential for efficient hormone production. Also, soy binds to T4 in

thyroid

> drugs and blocks T4 hormone.

>

> Over 90% of soy is genetically modified, plus most alarming is that soy

has

> the highest level of pesticides contamination of any consumed food. The

> anti-nutrients in soy protein isolate -genetically modified soy-- the key

> ingredient in most soy foods, imitate other foods such as dairy, meat, and

> baby formulas -- almost all brands of soy milk contain soy protein isolate

> as does soy meat, and soy baby formulas.

>

> As you may well already know, soy proteins called isoflavones have many of

> the same properties as estrogens, phytoestrogens. The big question appears

> to be whether women who regularly consume isoflavones could be

inadvertently

> encouraging the > growth of breast cancer cells. Ever notice that the

amount

> of > isoflavones isn't listed under the products nutritional info. To

find

> out multiply the amount of protein listed by three. For example, if a

> serving of protein is 10 grams you are getting 30 mg of isoflavones.

>

> Fermented SOY -miso, tempeh, and natto- is OK it's the unfermented soy

that

> is the problem... we must stay away from highly concentrated and processed

> unfermented soy products!

>

> HTH,

> ~Bj

>