rotating antivirals

[Guest guest]

Since someone brought up Anita’s old

post I did a search of my archives and found this although I’m not sure

it’s the one people were referring to but it does bring up Andy Cutler’s

advice on NOT rotating antivirals. I just thought I would repost it.

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Re: Dr Amy

Yasko virus explanation

Okay, out of my depth

here, but I shall try to explain my

understanding of this.

One of the reasons that I believe Andy Cutler's advice on a

successful antiviral protocol, is that he points out that you should

throw anything and everything you can at the viruses WITHOUT

rotating them until the viruses are dealt with. One reason for that

is you don't want to give the viruses a chance to build resistance

by rotation. But another very important reason is that most of the

antivirals work somewhat differently.

Valtrex is meant to stop the replication of the herpes II virus.

Hence, Dr. Yasko's explanation as to why the virus needs to become

active in order for the Valtrex to work. If someone had the herpes

virus and never had episodes of lesions, well, they wouldn't take

Valtrex, because they might not even know that they have the virus,

and, more importantly, the Valtrex is meant to stop the lesions, not

eliminate the virus. This is how Valtrex works for adults without

ASD. How exactly it is working in ASD kids is not as well

understood. It would seem that there is more to it.

For two of the antivirals I use for my son, the mechanism by which

they work is different from Valtrex. For example, Lauricidin. This

is from the website:

" The antiviral action attributed to monolaurin is that of fluidizing

the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus, causing

the disintegration of the microbial membrane. More recent studies

indicate that one antimicrobial effect in bacteria is related to

monolaurin's interference with signal transduction/toxin formation

(Projan et al 1994). Another antimicrobial effect in viruses is due

to lauric acid's interference with virus assembly and viral

maturation (Hornung et al 1994). The third mode of action may be on

the immune system itself (Witcher et al, 1993). "

It would seem that the one of the main ways that Lauricidin works on

the HV is by " fluidizing " part of the viral envelope. It would

seem

that the virus needn't be active for this to happen. Lauricidin

works on HV I and II, as well as others like CMV, HIV, etc.

Virastop is a bit the same. It digests the protein envelope, making

the virus vulnerable to immune defenses. Again, the virus needn't

be active in order to be digested.

posted some very helpful comments on all this about 3 weeks

ago at enzymes and autism which would be very helpful for anyone

trying to figure this stuff out and how it might apply to their

child. Unfortunately, while I was typing this, the messages there

were unavailable. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can

find the message numbers later on and post them.

I have NO signs of viral problems; that is, all of my viruses are

dormant and always have been, except when I had chicken pox and

mumps as a child. But my reaction to VS and OLE was quite a strong

one. I plan on doing another, better planned viral protocol on

myself, including Lauricidin this time. The fact that my viruses

are dormant being little comfort to me. I want them inactivated,

dead, whatever we want to call it.

I don't think too many of our kids would be dealing with only ONE

specific virus. It just seems unlikely given their compromised

immune systems and the fact that viruses are everywhere. So, given

that different antivirals work by different mechanisms on different

viruses, a multipronged antiviral protocol would just make sense.

There are many examples of ASD kids being put on Valtrex with no

benefit. Now, those kids may not have viral issues, although it

seems unlikely given that most doctors would Rx Valtrex for a good

reason. What seems a more logical explanation to me is what Dr.

Yasko presented, or that these kids viral problems were out of the

domain of Valtrex (plus these kids may not have need the added

benefit that some kids obviously do of having their adenosine levels

lowered).

One other thought. The immune systems in healthy kids may be much

more powerful in some ways than adult immune systems. I am thinking

of the children who were born HIV positive, but had immune systems

strong enough to launch a successful assault on the virus so that

eventually they were no longer HIV positive. Now, my son's immune

system certainly isn't a healthy one, but it does give me great hope

that if I support his immune system well enough with supplements,

proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, and removing the poisons from

his system, then these viral problems won't always be problems--that

is, with the help of a good viral protocol. This would likely be a

factor in the wide range of responses we see in viral kids to

antiviral protocols: the strength of their immune system. Maybe

the kids with better immune systems might need fewer antivirals for

a shorter period of time, and the opposite being true for kids with

truly terrible immune systems. Just thinking aloud there.

I'm not sure if that answers the question. Or any question, for

that matter.

Anita

> > >

> > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > > > Dr Yasko. My

> > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > > > are present or

> > > > the virus is latent?

> > > >

> > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > > > things: lower

> > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > > > to be able to

> > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > > > antiviral. Valtrex

> > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > > > just mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > What do you guys think?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > YASKO:

> > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > > > all DNA

> > > > viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > > > information that

> > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > > > way to think

> > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > > > warehouse, and RNA

> > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > > > use in talks,

> > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > > > more slowly so you

> > > > can really understand it better) is my " home

depot "

> > > > example. DNA is

> > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > > > home depot. RNA is

> > > > the building materials you need for a particular

> > > > job, let's say to

> > > > build your house, and then the completed project

> > > > that you can see,

> > > > the house itself, is the protein.

> > > >

> > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > > > stored as DNA. When

> > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > > > it can multiply

> > > > which is what we see as active infection or

> > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > > > DNA in our cells.

> > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > > > beads. Now insert

> > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > > > necklace. Now rejoin

> > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > > > group of red beads

> > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > > > sit there until

> > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > > > out, leaving the

> > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > > > multiply and

> > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > > > herpes that are

> > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > > > into the pearl

> > > > necklace of our DNA.

> > > >

> > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > > > latent form to an

> > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > > > multiply it needs to

> > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > > > blocks for DNA

> > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > > > detail in the RNA

> > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > > > these four

> > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > > > by valtrex is

> > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > > > linking the beads

> > > > together to make more virus.

> > > >

> > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > > > replication. It does not

> > > > suppress the virus.

> > > >

> > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > > > actively

> > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > > > still stuck in the

> > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > > > valtrex cannot act

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >