Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 My # 1 was Bahai Faith (100%), about which I know nothing. Conservative Protestant and Orthodox Jew were #'s 2 & 3, respectively. Who'd a thunk it? Regards, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Kione wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > My # 1 was Bahai Faith (100%), about which I know nothing. > > >From http://www.bahai.com/Bahaullah/spiritualbeliefs.htm: > > " There is only one God, the Creator of the Universe. Throughout history, God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers--each of whom has founded a great religion. The Messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. This succession of divine Teachers reflects a single historic " plan of God " for educating humanity about the Creator and for cultivating the spiritual, intellectual and moral capacities of the race. The goal has been to prepare the way for a single, global and ever-advancing civilization. " > > LOL, Dan, I didn't think you were all that big on " ever-advancing " civilization. I'm not - I would reject this body of opinion on those grounds alone. So much for the test :-). Regards, Dan > > > Kione > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- > My # 1 was Bahai Faith (100%), about which I know nothing. From http://www.bahai.com/Bahaullah/spiritualbeliefs.htm: " There is only one God, the Creator of the Universe. Throughout history, God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers--each of whom has founded a great religion. The Messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. This succession of divine Teachers reflects a single historic " plan of God " for educating humanity about the Creator and for cultivating the spiritual, intellectual and moral capacities of the race. The goal has been to prepare the way for a single, global and ever-advancing civilization. " LOL, Dan, I didn't think you were all that big on " ever-advancing " civilization. Kione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Well, anyone who knows my struggles on this list with Buddhism will get a laugh. The religion test calls me a ma...something Buddhist. Very funny.Then a Unitarian Universalist and then a Liberal Jew Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Mahayana? That was high on my list too. BTW there is a page at that site (belief.net) with additional info on each of the religions/paths they measure your beliefs against in the test. Here's the page on Mahayana Buddhism: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8045_1.html There's a drop down menu there where you can access anything else that came up on your list if you're interested. Kione > Re: Belief-o-matic > > > Well, anyone who knows my struggles on this list with > Buddhism will get a > laugh. The religion test calls me a ma...something Buddhist. > Very funny.Then > a Unitarian Universalist and then a Liberal Jew > Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Thanks, kione. I have read up on Buddhism when I came across Jung's interest in it a while ago. Many on this list say Jung was dead wrong. With my experience in Japan and my reading, I felt closer to his position. Not that I do not adapt some core ideas from them and admire people like the Dalai Lama , But I feel too western, too imbedded in my culture and time, to try to wear a completely new overcoat. I read a lot, and have adopted the Karma idea and reincarnation as possible answers, but in general their discipline is not my way. I don't worry about not fitting into an organized religion because I don't want to join one. I know what I know and have shaped (always subject to change) my own path. I cannot escape the Christian Myth, it is part of western culture and I cannot escape the history of my Tribe either. Both are part of me. I have no such innate feeling for any Eastern religion. So, I'll stick to the knowledge I have, and the view point of Jung (partly) and not make a pilgrimage to a Guru or Sensei.I If I were ever to recant I would be an Episcopalian again. The ties of youth are strong. Toni --- Original Message ----- To: <JUNG-FIRE > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: RE: Belief-o-matic > Mahayana? That was high on my list too. > > BTW there is a page at that site (belief.net) with additional info on > each of the religions/paths they measure your beliefs against in the > test. Here's the page on Mahayana Buddhism: > > http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8045_1.html > > There's a drop down menu there where you can access anything else that > came up on your list if you're interested. > > Kione > > > Re: Belief-o-matic > > > > > > Well, anyone who knows my struggles on this list with > > Buddhism will get a > > laugh. The religion test calls me a ma...something Buddhist. > > Very funny.Then > > a Unitarian Universalist and then a Liberal Jew > > Toni > > > > > " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. " > > H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 > -----Original Message----- > From: Vienna > > I don't worry about not fitting into an organized religion > because I don't want to join one. I know what I know and have shaped (always > subject to change) my own path. I cannot escape the Christian Myth, it is part of > western culture and I cannot escape the history of my Tribe > either. Both are part of me. I have no such innate feeling for any Eastern religion. I've always been drawn to Eastern ideas, religious and otherwise - don't know why. Maybe because many of those traditions don't insist on one's belief in the literal, historical truth of the metaphors they use. But I'm also (like you) very much attached to my Western heritage, although more to the pre-Christian pagan and Hellenic/Hellenistic perspective. I do have some Greek blood, so perhaps that's just one of my Tribes calling out to me from somewhere. Who knows? I'm fascinated by religious, mythical and spiritual traditions from all over the place. To me they're all metaphors for the experience (sometimes my experience, sometimes not - which is why some resonate, I suppose, and some don't - yet!). They're all maps of the same territory - and my job as I see it is to find the map that gets me where I need to go. I may have to piece together my own map from a bit of this one and that one or put down one and pick up another at some point, or consult multitudes of them simultaneously, but that's okay. I'll still get where I'm going, wherever that is, if I just keep moving in the right direction. Of course this means I don't fit into any organized religion either, which is okay too, and probably why Discordianism appeals to me - it's about as disorganized as it gets, designed to make you laugh first and foremost (if you're willing to get the joke) and it doesn't take itself seriously at all. IMO too much damage has already been done in this world by people taking themselves far too seriously - myself included - when it would be better to admit that we're all fallible and have a good laugh over our common human foibles. I remember reading in 's memoirs about how as a younger person he longed to find some type of " collective " that he could both fully accept and be accepted by, and how Jung warned him against this and told him he was born to be a more solitary creature... and how he struggled in some ways to accept and come to terms with that. I'm no , naturally, but I feel that way sometimes too. As attracted as I am by " pagan " ideas and perspectives, the idea of finding one's own path and following it, I find that when I try to get involved in local pagan-oriented activities most of the other folks there harbor the same ill-will and prejudices to non-pagans (usually Christians) that they resent being directed at themselves. Very sad, really. From my reading I had the impression that paganism was about doing " whatever works " for the individual, but there seems to be a problem in some pagan circles with accepting the fact that Christianity *does* work for some folks, and that not everyone who calls him/herself a Christian is blindly following some fundamentalist " party line " set down by this denomination or another. For some people it seems like paganism and other adopted spiritual paths are more a way of rejecting Christianity (or whatever it was they grew up with) than anything else. Again, very sad. That's not finding your own path, that's just rejecting somebody else's. I don't feel I've rejected anything about Christianity other than the things I was taught that my own experience tell me are just not so and don't work for me. Appreciating Christian teachings as myth and metaphor rather than getting caught up in their historical validity and literal truth helps a lot. Kione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 all, I like my bundle. # 1. Liberal Quakers (100%) # 2. Mahayana Buddhism (100%) # 3. Unitarian Universalism (98%) # 4. Neo-Pagan (95%) # 5. New Age (95%) # 6. Taoism (93%) Sure, a universalist Quaker Taoist Buddhist. I would read Pagan as Pantheist in my own sensibility and read New Age as my feeling that the cosmic unfolding is implicitly open and play-full and artistic. Yet, as Lilly said, and it seems true for me too, " My beliefs are unbelievable! " regards, in Clepheland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Everyone- How many of us are Episco-pagans? I love that term. RE: Belief-o-matic all, I like my bundle. # 1. Liberal Quakers (100%) # 2. Mahayana Buddhism (100%) # 3. Unitarian Universalism (98%) # 4. Neo-Pagan (95%) # 5. New Age (95%) # 6. Taoism (93%) Sure, a universalist Quaker Taoist Buddhist. I would read Pagan as Pantheist in my own sensibility and read New Age as my feeling that the cosmic unfolding is implicitly open and play-full and artistic. Yet, as Lilly said, and it seems true for me too, " My beliefs are unbelievable! " regards, in Clepheland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 In a message dated 8/17/2003 11:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, marshkan1@... writes: > Reminds one of Elaine Pagels's new book: > > BEYOND BELIEF which is getting good reviews and is > rising on the non-fiction best seller list. > > The title itself draws me in, so contra-orthodox. > Anyone read it yet? > Hi Greg, It just came in the mail and is next on my list. Bill Moyers did an exquisite interview with her on NOW not too long ago. She spoke about the profound spiritual changes that the loss of her child brought into her life. It really helped to put the fairly recent loss of my mother and my sister into a larger spiritual context...she speaks about loss as stretching the heart, increasing our capacity to hold " suffering " and how ultimately that brings us into the arms of God....It would be nice to share our thoughts on this book...I look forward to reading it. Am just finishing up a wonderful novel by Alice Hoffman, " The Probable Future. " Finally a cool day in Western Massachusetts, Suzanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 In a message dated 8/16/03 6:31:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lwhitlow@... writes: How many of us are Episco-pagans? I love that term. I like it, too! love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 I like that term " Episco-pagans, " too. And I am sure I am one! Sara Re: Belief-o-matic In a message dated 8/16/03 6:31:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lwhitlow@... writes: How many of us are Episco-pagans? I love that term. I like it, too! love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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