Re: Swelling...frustration...depression

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Hi ,I have Hashi (no graves), but had swelling in my hands, they burned so much I didn't want to touch anything. Depression, YES, Isolation YES. I was bedridden in Dec and Jan. I found out about Dr. K's treatment plan / he is treating the immune system, which is the cause of Hashi and graves. I also found a doc. and after 4 weeks on the program I am able to work in the yard for 15 min at a time, my muscle and joint pain is almost gone. I went for a thyroid ultrasound the second time in 6 month and it stayed the same / good. Also, the nodule is gone. If you want to find out about dr. K, go to thyroidbook.com from there you can order the book or on amazon. You can also write them an email and ask for doc. in you area. The treatment is expensive but I was so sick with no hope in sight that I wanted to end my life. I am 52 and could not imagine to live for the rest of my life with such pain 24/7. You can find me on facebook, I am the one with the breads. In facebook are several groups for hashi, also graves. In fb we have a discussion group for people who go through the protocol of dr. K. Hope to see you there. Wilbert

To: Thyroiditis From: twobookloverz@...Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:38:39 +0000Subject: Swelling...frustration...depression

I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's. (Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad. This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5. Insane!

Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because my eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the most normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated. Praying it would stay that way.

The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling in my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes just since last Saturday.

What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else talking about swelling in hands and feet.

I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me if I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel sooo bad.

Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of this?

Please give me some feedback.

Thank you,

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,

The swelling in my hands and feet are my NUMBER ONE symptom!!!! And the swelling in my face! When I couldn't get my wedding ring to even move on my finger...I was at a TSH of 75. And depression ...YES! For me, it was a lack of interest or excitement of anything. We are building our dream home and I could care less even though I waited years for this. My son recieved a special honor by our governor for his GPA and I said "oh, that's nice"....unemotional about anything. I am getting much better both with the swelling AND the depression now that I am on the armour.

Best of luck to you,

To: Thyroiditis From: twobookloverz@...Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:38:39 +0000Subject: Swelling...frustration...depression

I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's. (Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad. This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5. Insane!Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because my eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the most normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated. Praying it would stay that way. The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling in my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes just since last Saturday.What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else talking about swelling in hands and feet.I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me if I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel sooo bad. Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of this?Please give me some feedback. Thank you,

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Hi All,

is anyone else in this group who thinks that I advertise a treatment for hashi

and should NOT do this? Is there anyone else who also believes that hashi is not

caused by an immune attack?

I was trying to help who clearly is suffering. I just told my story, the

treatment that helped me. I did not suggest that should go this route, and

it will be the only one.

I don't need someone to sent a private email and attack me. This group is a

support group, so every opinion and experience shared is valuable for someone.

I would like to know if you all think that hashi is not caused by the immune

system.

thank you,

>

> I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's.

(Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad.

This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5.

Insane!

> Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because my

eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the most

normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated.

Praying it would stay that way.

> The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling in

my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes just

since last Saturday.

> What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else talking

about swelling in hands and feet.

> I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me if

I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel sooo

bad.

> Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along

with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of

everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of

this?

> Please give me some feedback.

> Thank you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi

yes Hashis and graves are both Autoimmune diseases and autoimmune disease means

the person's Immune system is not healthy and in fact is doing the wrong thing,

including directly affecting our other important homeostatic systems, such as

the endocrine system.

i am sad to hear that someone was reacting in such a way to you; and i just want

to show my support to you being brave enough to post your informaton on science

and biology on a Forum. it is unfortunate that too many thyroid people have

'reactions' and it happens all the time on various thyroid forums to anyone who

'dares' to post about 'science'. and most of the time people do NOT pipe up to

show their support when we are attacked either. all that does is cause people to

nost post information for fear of retaliation.

the number of people who have ~emotional reactions about thyroid /biology

/physiology / SCIENCE is really frightening. repeated reactions of

negativity suspicion and anger because i or anyone is writing about

" complicated " science subjects is all 2 common! unbelievable that people get so

angry when the actual Factual information could help them find out their own

specific issues and how best to help it (BTW i actually have read enough about

Thryoid biology and the REAL biology behind " Adrenal Fatigue " to know which of

my specific parts have gone 'wrong' the most

while i will wholeheartedly agree that people who _react_ to " technical "

information that is new to them in such a mean/unkind way have " Adrenal

Fatiuge " ,, it is still NO excuse. and its no excuse to REpeatedly act that way

either.

~*

and btw DR Ks work on the immune system and how it affects the other branches of

our " homeostatic/allostatic systems is right on topic and right on time.

~*

Conventional medicine had been ignoring the autoimmune aspect of hypOt for EVER.

they told me in the 1970s that i had hashis but that it didn't matter to me or

my treatment at all. (i have never ever felt well for 40 years since i was a

kid) but i was on Sinthroid dosed to a " Normal " TSH so obviously that wasn't my

thryoid and it wasn't my immune system

there is now so much information available to The Public to read=> hosted on all

the conventional medical websites/ databases/ from the NIH to NEJM to GEnomic

and molecular biology websites, provign how profoundly the 4 main homeostatis

systems that our *Hypothalamus " heads up " are in communication ALL the time

and directly affect each other all the time :

1) Endocrine system (including HPT* axis and *HPA* Axis!)

2) Immune system

3) Limbic system (Our brain's emotion/thoughts/memory center!)

4) our entire Nervous System: Autonomic, SNS=SYmpathetic Nervous System,

PNS=Paratsympathetic Nervous System, CNS=Central Nervous System, PNS =

Peripheral Nervous System.

and our Hypothalamus runs them ALL!

GOOGLE: neuroimmunoendocrinology

IF you dont' believe conventional medicine has been studying the connections a

long time

PLUS : " Adrenal Fatiuge "

there is now 2 much conventioanl medical information pointing directly at the

role that 'stress' and our real , biologic stress system have in causing DISEASE

and all types of 'aquired' health problems! Aquired means a health problem that

is not caused by COngenital/born with disease but one aquired after birth and

" aquired " any time later in life

GOOGLE these names to find more info about our STRESS System:

===============================================================

1) sympathoadrenal system (SNS + Adrenaline/noreadrenlaine/dopamine

neurotrasnmitters/hormone system )

2) HPA axis and all the stress hromones it makes EVERY time it wants to tell the

adrneals to make cortisol

the Stress Hormones:

CRH and Vasopressin (ADH) => POMC => Beta Endorphins + MSH (and its 5 Cell

receptor system MCR 1-5) + ACTH => Cortisol and Adrenal ANdrogens.

******************************************************************

NOTE: Wheat and Dairy proteins (enter thru Leaky Gut etc) and Sit on our Beta

Endorphin Cell REceptors located in our BRAIN and guts ETC and cause bad

problems and SYmptoms and immune system issues!

*****************************************************************

Beta Endorphin Cell REceptors are also located ON OUR IMMUNE CELLS hence

the Direct wheat/immune connection that the good AF/THryoid Drs are trying to

talk about and 'practice' with their patients.

OH ! and Cytokines and other Immune system 'parts' directly affect our HPA

Axis by causing an increase in CRH stress hormone and Increasing the whole HPA

Axis. etc.

Which is why DR K and good thryoid/AF drs like him are talking so much about

cortisol and adrenals and (why they need to be a Little bit more technical and

remind everyone that about the SNS and HPA axis and the Sympathoadrneal system

:)and on and on and round and round

and understand that ALL the stress hormones of the HPA axis generate profound

and far reaching actiosn in our brain and body where

brain includes it direct role in our ; cognition, thoughts, memory, behavior,

stress handling

--and negative emotional reactions to impersonal things : like nebulous people

out on the internet forums or new and complex and technical information .

anyway, thanks so much for posting your info on DR K and the science and

treatments he is working with and the info you have learned.

-Carol

PS: there is now TONS of *conventional Medical research stating out right that

the Stress system /HPA Axis is DIRECTLY involved in the 'activation' of our

common Autoimmune Genes!

round and round (and many of us spiraling round and down the proverbial toilet

and our 'practicing' DRs are /and have been for the last 50 years/ ignoring

their own research and literature on all aspects related to Thryoid Treatment.

=== Thyroid RX Literature WARNINGS sections =====

now Why would Thryoid RX Literature (See ALL Brands!) include these items in

their WARNING to DRs to assess us before starting RX?

could it be because these Types of problems are Statisticaly common in HYPOTs ?

(hint= yes :

1) " Adrenal Insufficiency "

2) " Diabetes Insipidus " (a Condition where people urinate high volume because

of problem related to the STress Hormone Vasopressin. (btw Vasopressin does

1000 different things in our brain and body , brain behavior Heart blood vessels

ears eyes, entire digestive tract ETC> it tells our adrenals to make cortisol )

3) ALl Pituitary gland and pituitary HornoneS problems ! (Vasopressin is a

horone made by our Hypothalamus and Released by our Pit)

===SINTHROID RX warns #3 ========

SInthroid RX literature is the only brand of Thryodi RX that includes That

warning => Abbott Pharmaceuticals is really hedging their bets by warning us

PATIENTS IN their Sinthroid RX Pamphlet/pdf

_that WE should inform our DRs if WE have ANY pitutiary gland problems or ANY

pituitary hormoneS problems

erm,, how many Pit hormones are there?

and how are WE patients supposed to figure out if we have a problem?

OH i guess $inthrodi is telling us out-right that it is OUR (patients)

responsibility to go learn biology and physiology and genomics/ nongenomics so

that we can have a hope of figuring out if we have any Pit problems!?!

but, but but if we do?

people on forums get mad at us for posting about it

> >

> > I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's.

(Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad.

This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5.

Insane!

> > Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because

my eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the

most normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated.

Praying it would stay that way.

> > The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling

in my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes

just since last Saturday.

> > What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else

talking about swelling in hands and feet.

> > I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me

if I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel

sooo bad.

> > Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along

with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of

everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of

this?

> > Please give me some feedback.

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,thank you so much for supporting me. The last thing in my recovery is that some guy tells me not to help someone with information that clearly saved my life. The protocol I am going through is not easy to follow, because I live gluten, egg, soy, yeast, mostly grain, casein free / just eat cavewomen diet. I took a supplement with lots of multivitamins and minerals, liver ditox and in general detoxing the body. My progesterone was 2000 the upper lab is 200, testosterone, estogens, and of course cortisol was elevated all the time. I saw a "holistic" doc. at the time and I HAD TO BRING IN A SALIVA TEST. She didn't care testing me. I brought it in to get the code for the insurance. On her way out of the office she said: mark whatever you want to get tested.If I wouldn't have gotten info on this board and searching the whole internet, I wouldn't have known what to do. But she made money. I put her on 's list for the "usless" docs. in order that takes her off the good one list. I contacted her in Facebook, so she gave me the link. My gyn gave me progesterone and that's why the level was so high. BUT nobody tested my adrenals or liver or anything, just TSH, which they want to push down to almost 0.10. They tell you that the immune system does Not attack the thyroid if the TSH is low. What a Hum Buck. I found a chiropractor 2 hours from here who is treating me according to dr. k's protocol. Then this guy on this board attacked me because I am going to a chiropr. And everyone will remember what kind of reaction and message after message against chiropr. that was. I didn't discuss my story on this board anymore, because I don't want to be attacked all the time. I want support. But there is always a bad apple somewhere. I was bedridden DEc and Jan. had balance problems and my muscles were hard like stone. My doc. said I am sorry you suffered and let me go. She didn't do anything. Yes, they do not read the latest research. My muscles reacted after taking the new armour and compounding stuff. I was crying everyday and the doc. told me to come back in 8 weeks to get a blood test / what TSH . My TSH is 1.82 right now. T3 and T4 in the functional range. I took 100 mcg Levoxyl back in Jan. I started the treatment in March. After 3 weeks I was down to 25 mcg Levoxyl and since the last 5 days I am not taking any Levoxyl. NONE.I feel so much better. Can work sometimes in the yard, am not cold, sleep better, depression lifted, no blurry vision, hardly any headaches. That's why I told about the treatment. My chiropract. will address my adrenals soon, after blood test. I had a parasite from the best lab in the country and my doc. refused to prescribe meds because she didn't see any inflammation marker on the blood test. The parasite was a single cell thing not a mile long and they didn't have a name for it, because they do gene testing and found a parasite gene. So my doc. again refused to treat me. Thanks to a doc. at urgent care, whom I brought all my bloodtests and he said , why doesn't your doc. treat your adrenals. I told him that the parasite will have an influence on the immune system and adrenals and he needs to be treated first. Even he didn't know about dr. k's and didn't know the meds I needed. He looked it up and gave me a prescription. There are still good once out there, who are willing to learn. After the adrenals my immune system will be modulated. I am TH2 dominant, which is rare for hashi. No coffee / that's bad.Soon I will be able to life a realively normal life again. OH, I forgot. I had muscle pain 24/7 it felt like they were burning, my fingers were swollen, like nancys and this is all gone. Sometimes I can feel my muscles getting heavy, but usually they don't burn. I wanted to end my life because of the pain. Now I am looking forward to a new life.Well, the guy wrote to me personaly because he didn't want to stirr up the board. No Man can tell me what to do or say, especially if I am living prove that this is helping. How many of you out there take meds and have still sympotoms? How many are trying to treat themselfes because the docs. don't test the right things? They take your money, send you home suffering some more. I am living prove for all of that. It almost killed me.Thank you Carol, spread the word

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hi

the medrol is a type of cortisol hormone RX product;

and your swelling in face and feet and hands i have had all on my own; it can be

caused by another Stress hormoen called Vasopressin; our water balance hromone

that also does abotu 1000 other things in our body. in constellation our stress

hormones /variatons can cause different types of edeam and pitting edema.

there are about 10 stress hormones that are released in a 'cascade ' or

workflow.. this is called the HPA Axis and merely stands for Hypothalamus

Pitutiary and Adrneal glands axis= workflow

these stres hormones affect our body ;but they are also proven to affect our

brain and that includes Depression and mood issues of many types ;

Fight/Flight(fear or anxiety) /Freeze(immoblize body or brain ) /stress

hormones do make us FEEL all variations and combinations of those 3 things

the HPA Axis is our endocrine systems' Stress system

the SNS = Sympathetic Nervous system is our nervous systems' stress system

the Sympathoadrenal system is our COMBO:)nervous system AND endocrin system-

system. Our Sympathoadrenal system includes the interaction between our SNS

(fast!) and the adrenals' Adrenaline hormone zone ; which is actually considered

a PART of the SNS and NOT the adrneal glands .

the Sympathoadrneal system also includes these hormones/ Neurotransmitters

called adrenaline (epinephrine) noradreline (norepineprhine) Dopamaine and

serotonin (The " Monoamines " )

MORE Mood/emotion type effects + more.

btw; i just read an science article noting the MOnoamines were in Charge of

Vasopressin! (low monoamines means high vasopresin means UPregulation of the

rest of the HPA axis /High Stress Mode!)

Rhodiola helps increase the MOnoamines; but there are Other " Adaptogens " that

help other 'parts' of our stress system!

we have to take time to learn and assess and research what things are best for

each unique patients + do the lifestyle and basic Vitamins that help nourish our

bodies that are stuck in stress mode/ we burn our good fuel faster

whats all this mean?

==========================

" Adrenal Fatigue " ; but the Real meaning behind that name.

our stress system is SO stressed for long enough to affects its stress

sensitivyt and responses and 'parts' and MANY atuoimmuen thyroid patents get and

have " Adrenal Fatigue "

NOTE : many folks only focus on our adrenal glands and think everything must be

due to LOW COrtisol hromone.. but that is not accurate! our whole stress system

i described above IS involved and in most cases the parts are on HIGH (till

Some of the hormones may start to fatigue in SOME people..OR their Cell

REceptors 'fatigue

a different problem that is being ignored by most AF drs.

Stress System is involved in Autoimmmune Disease

==================================================

NOTE: conventional medicine research and literature has already noted that the

HPA Axis is a Direct part of the Activation of Autoimmune disease! this goes

back to the fact that our hyptohalamus/brain is the head of our immune system

and endocrine system and stress system parts etc. and what science is provign is

that our STRESS System is hurting us cuz its getting increased 24/7 and Certain

variations in its entire combinations of parts is what causes Autoimmune disease

(and allergies and etc)

BUT the " Adrenal Fatigue " DRs and good Thryoid Drs (and the good cfs/fm drs like

DR Teitelbaum ) are proving that we can do things to help reverse this

STRESS MODE.. and start to feel better again and support our health

~* read teh good Adreanl Fatigue DRs and Dr Kharrazians new *thyroid book to see

what LIfstyle changes we can make to help Support our stress sysetm and our

immune system as well as ofcorse further testing on your THryoid

it sounds overwhelming but it is actually EZ to figure out the whole basic

nutrition and BASIC supplements including

CELTIC SEA SALT and Vit C and a good ALL_B Vitamins

==================================================

NANCY :

have you tried taking Celtic Sea Salt?

many hypot and AF folks are " salt wasters " but also

high vasopressin can cause water retention AND Dilutional Hyponatremia... so

your blood test can = NOrmal but you still would benefir from salt.

the above problem can cause Pitting edema (as well as puffier in the cheeks and

jaw area )

do you own a Blood Pressure kit?

====================================================

-Carol

- DR s' Adrenal Fatigue book is great cuz of the EX to understand

and follow LIfestyle guideliens (nutrition/ glycemic control both high and LOW ;

basic vits/mins for ALL AF folks ; both high and low cortisol stages

- Dr Kharazians book; especially the diet/ nutriiton issues we must address for

AUToimmune THroid disease. and Immune system lab tests/Names you can talk to

your own DR about!

- read DR Lam's Adrenal Fatigue pages to see his EZ to understand explanaito of

the Sympatho adrneal system and other stress info

this is SO complex /combinitorial :)/ that i have yet to find _1_ book that

explains MY whole combination of symtosm and the biologic parts/settings

SO we have to do more reading from multiple good DR books to get a better idea

of our own unique issues and what to do about them to support our 'whole'

but you can do it

PPS> you have to stop eating wheat/gluten if you have blood tests showing

Autoimmune THryoid disease.

>

> I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's.

(Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad.

This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5.

Insane!

> Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because my

eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the most

normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated.

Praying it would stay that way.

> The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling in

my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes just

since last Saturday.

> What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else talking

about swelling in hands and feet.

> I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me if

I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel sooo

bad.

> Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along

with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of

everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of

this?

> Please give me some feedback.

> Thank you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey gang - please don't e-mail members personally unless they indicate it's OK.

This is a support group and we all want to share info. *on the board*

supportively with each other.

It would also be great if folks would share information openly no matter what

protocol they follow - I and another person had asked what was in the

antioxidant cream you were using, , but didn't hear back. You probably just

missed the messages and I know you've been feeling very rotten.

And , so sorry for what you're going through. That GED alone is going to

have you feeling awful and you're going through some major thyroid level swings.

To answer your question about depression - absolutely the thyroid can affect

moods and brain chemistry and bring on depression. I hope your docs are able to

get you leveled out soon.

> >

> > I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's.

(Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad.

This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5.

Insane!

> > Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because

my eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the

most normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated.

Praying it would stay that way.

> > The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling

in my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes

just since last Saturday.

> > What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else

talking about swelling in hands and feet.

> > I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me

if I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel

sooo bad.

> > Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along

with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of

everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of

this?

> > Please give me some feedback.

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

the cream is called oxicel you can buy it online. I will not talk about my experience anymore because I am sick of attacks. That was the second time. I am glad carol stood by me. Going through the protocol is hard enough and I am very sick.

To: Thyroiditis From: suuzin@...Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:18:58 +0000Subject: Re: Swelling...frustration...depression

Hey gang - please don't e-mail members personally unless they indicate it's OK. This is a support group and we all want to share info. *on the board* supportively with each other.

It would also be great if folks would share information openly no matter what protocol they follow - I and another person had asked what was in the antioxidant cream you were using, , but didn't hear back. You probably just missed the messages and I know you've been feeling very rotten.

And , so sorry for what you're going through. That GED alone is going to have you feeling awful and you're going through some major thyroid level swings. To answer your question about depression - absolutely the thyroid can affect moods and brain chemistry and bring on depression. I hope your docs are able to get you leveled out soon.

> >

> > I have Graves Eye Disease (diagnosed last week) and probably Hashimoto's. (Will find out for sure Mon about the Hashi). My TSH levels are swinging bad. This year: Jan 6- 2.52, Mar 11- 0.45, two weeks later I was up to around 4.5. Insane!

> > Almost 2 weeks ago my endo put me on a run of Medrol (steroid pack) because my eyes were so bad. That was on a Mon. By last Sat, I feel that I looked the most normal I had looked since this all began about 6 weeks ago. I was elated. Praying it would stay that way.

> > The week has crawled along, my eyes are getting worse but also the swelling in my hands and feet are returning. I have gone up at least three rings sizes just since last Saturday.

> > What is going on? What is the swelling from? I never hear anyone else talking about swelling in hands and feet.

> > I am already so sick of this disease. It is so isolating. Please forgive me if I sound like I am having a pity party. I just don't understand and I feel sooo bad.

> > Also, does anyone on here feel like there is some depression that goes along with/caused by the thyroid disease? I don't mean having 'the blues' because of everything that is going on, but actual chemical imbalances caused by all of this?

> > Please give me some feedback.

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

>

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