Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:07:18 AM Central Daylight Time, zozie@... writes: > compared to dreaming, myth is a use of the same > archetypal elements in a consciously controlled way.<< > Hmm. Thank you, phoebe. Namasté Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ Minds are like parachutes; they only function when open. - Sir Dewar A closed mind is a good thing to lose. " Minds are like parachutes; most people use them only as a last resort. " ~Ben Ostrowsky Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. ~mrantho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Alice O. Howell Rosecroft Box 177 Monterey, MA 01245-0177 USA Tel: Fax: " Look for the sacred in the commonplace! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Mircea Eliade, Eve? love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 In a message dated 7/10/2003 10:33:04 AM Central Daylight Time, eve@... writes: > Story of Lynx was > lying on the stairs right next to me. I need someone to whom I can draw > contrasts, and I also need to choose a tradition to draw examples from. > I lean toward using the native American tradition because I know the > stories best. Eve, do you happen to have Animal-Speak by Ted s? He interweaves all sorts of myths from Native American and pagan viewpoints as well as what appears to be quite Jung-y ones also. He also wrote, among others, Dream Alchemy, which I haven't read but which might be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Whew! How funny to receive this message right now! I just put aside my alchemy paper (it needs to simmer a while) and took up the first question of my comps, which begins " Discuss the question of what a myth is from the standpoint of two major theorists of myth... " Thanks, Phoebe. (I can't really use it because there's no citation, but I am using as one of the theorists, and either Jung or Levi-Strauss as the other.) Eve > On another list, one of the correspondents succinctly wrote the > paragraph > below, which I send to you all with his permission. I thought it well > spoken and > that this list would be interested: > >>> uses the term " consciously controlled " in distinguishing >>> myth from > dream. He claims that myth is the collective " dream " of humankind, and > that the ONLY difference between myth and dream is that myth is > " consciously controlled " by the shaman and poets and folk who create > it in > a way that dreams are not consciously controlled (usually, not in > cases of > lucid dreaming) by the dreamer. So this term makes sense when you > realize > it is comparative: compared to dreaming, myth is a use of the same > archetypal elements in a consciously controlled way.<< > > Best, > phoebe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 In a message dated 7/10/2003 11:25:29 AM Central Daylight Time, eve@... writes: > For this paper I need to take two of the big myth theorists (Jung, > Eliade, , Doniger, Hillman, Levi-Strauss, who else?) and > compare their definition of and approaches to myth. It's a pretty > technical paper Well, you probably wouldn't want to quote from s then but you might enjoy his work anyway. It's a thought. Namasté Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ Minds are like parachutes; they only function when open. - Sir Dewar A closed mind is a good thing to lose. " Minds are like parachutes; most people use them only as a last resort. " ~Ben Ostrowsky Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. ~mrantho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Max Muller? Bachofen? Might be gd to do a bit of name-dropping! love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Thanks, a good reminder when we speak of " the " Myth in the west particularly, Phoebe Toni. myth and dream > On another list, one of the correspondents succinctly wrote the paragraph > below, which I send to you all with his permission. I thought it well spoken and > that this list would be interested: > > >> uses the term " consciously controlled " in distinguishing myth from > dream. He claims that myth is the collective " dream " of humankind, and > that the ONLY difference between myth and dream is that myth is > " consciously controlled " by the shaman and poets and folk who create it in > a way that dreams are not consciously controlled (usually, not in cases of > lucid dreaming) by the dreamer. So this term makes sense when you realize > it is comparative: compared to dreaming, myth is a use of the same > archetypal elements in a consciously controlled way.<< > > Best, > phoebe > > > > > " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. " > > H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Possibly. I'll have to see what I have on my shelves (aside from too much.) I'm reading Levi-Strauss at the moment, just because Story of Lynx was lying on the stairs right next to me. I need someone to whom I can draw contrasts, and I also need to choose a tradition to draw examples from. I lean toward using the native American tradition because I know the stories best. Eliade would probably be more interesting than Levi-Strauss (boy, is he ever analytical!) but Levi-Strauss comes up with some very interesting ideas in the end. For example, Story of Lynx, which is about twin mythology in native America, concludes that duality is pictured differently in European and native American cultures. In European cultures twins are either opposites, complements, or alike. In Native American cultures their roles don't stay the same, even in a given story. He calls their relationship " unstable dualism " and suggests that unstable dualism, the scales constantly shifting slightly out of balance, tipping just a little to create a slightly different dualism, is the genesis of creation. I found that a very exciting concept. On the other hand, he sees his relationship with myth as adversarial, like a chess game. But I guess he needs to do that to stay as " objective " as his type of analysis needs him to be. Hm. Maybe I could play with his attitude and Jung's " empiricism. " Thinking on the keyboard again, Eve On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:53 AM, IonaDove@... wrote: > Mircea Eliade, Eve? > > love > > ao > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Sounds very interesting! I don't know his work. For this paper I need to take two of the big myth theorists (Jung, Eliade, , Doniger, Hillman, Levi-Strauss, who else?) and compare their definition of and approaches to myth. It's a pretty technical paper. Eve On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 09:08 AM, sampatron@... wrote: > In a message dated 7/10/2003 10:33:04 AM Central Daylight Time, > eve@... writes: > >> Story of Lynx was >> lying on the stairs right next to me. I need someone to whom I can >> draw >> contrasts, and I also need to choose a tradition to draw examples >> from. >> I lean toward using the native American tradition because I know the >> stories best. > > Eve, do you happen to have Animal-Speak by Ted s? He > interweaves all > sorts of myths from Native American and pagan viewpoints as well as > what > appears to be quite Jung-y ones also. He also wrote, among others, > Dream Alchemy, > which I haven't read but which might be interesting. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 I forgot Kerenyi and Zimmer. Alice, I have The Sacred and the Profane (Eliade). I'll rereda it as soon as I'm done with Lynx, then decide who to use. Eve > Sounds very interesting! I don't know his work. > > For this paper I need to take two of the big myth theorists (Jung, > Eliade, , Doniger, Hillman, Levi-Strauss, who else?) and > compare their definition of and approaches to myth. It's a pretty > technical paper. > > Eve > > On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 09:08 AM, sampatron@... wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/10/2003 10:33:04 AM Central Daylight Time, >> eve@... writes: >> >>> Story of Lynx was >>> lying on the stairs right next to me. I need someone to whom I can >>> draw >>> contrasts, and I also need to choose a tradition to draw examples >>> from. >>> I lean toward using the native American tradition because I know the >>> stories best. >> >> Eve, do you happen to have Animal-Speak by Ted s? He >> interweaves all >> sorts of myths from Native American and pagan viewpoints as well as >> what >> appears to be quite Jung-y ones also. He also wrote, among others, >> Dream Alchemy, >> which I haven't read but which might be interesting. >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Seems to me that in the academic world at least, it's always a good thing to drop names. It would be interesting to read more of either Müller or Bachofen. We only read short pieces in Downing's introduction to the study of myth class. Eve On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 11:58 AM, IonaDove@... wrote: > Max Muller? > > Bachofen? > > Might be gd to do a bit of name-dropping! > > love > > ao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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