Premise of Project for Internal Surveys about psychological etiology hypothesis

March 5, 2011

Sorry for bad english, I'm from Italy

This is a long post, please take your time to read it, maybe read it in 2 or

more days if it's too long, but read it because it is REALLY important

Alright alright, I know what many of you are thinking: another dumb fuck trying

to explain it' s just a psychological problem. Well if you think so, you' re

dead wrong, so let me to explain.

No doubt PSSD is caused by SSRI exposure, it's so obvious none of you could ever

have a problem like that if you wouldn't never take medication. It is just plain

dead true. I also got adrenal fatigue like most of you does, so it would be

foolish if I claim otherwise.BUT, there are a couple of things one must take in

consideration before throwing psychology out of the window:

1) there is a new science, that in the US arose in the later decades. It is

called PNEI, which stands for something like psycho-neuro-endocrine-immunology.

This science is cutting edge on modern medicine, it's clearing much shit and

superstitions out of allopathic medicine through extensive trials and the most

advanced theories starts taking off the shroud about " mystic " facts of medicine,

like the placebo effect and relations between psychologic factors and illnesses

(psycho-somatic). Hell, they're even trying (quite successfully actually) to

cure diseases just using the placebo effect itself, or rather using a complex

practice based on auto-suggestion. Many PNEI practitioners claim they can cure

even cancer just by using self-suggestion, hypnosis and things like that. And

it' s quite true actually, it seems the only ones that doesn't gain any benefits

whatsoever are the ones resilient to hypnosis and suggestions. It' s also very

nice the fact that this science is inbound in western medicines, so there are

few claims about it's " foolishness " and doesn't risk being considered like some

sort of sorcery, like it's happened to homeopathy and acupunture. It' s a

" neo-science " , as I like to call them, just like Neuro-Linguistic Programming,

and just as effective and promising. By the way if you don't know about NLP, you

should. Google for it.

My psychiatrists manipulated me into thinking I got some kind of schizophrenia,

I never actually believed that but I've taken drugs because I thought it was the

only way to mental wellnes. I was so damn wrong. Actually I was just ignorant:

anyway, when I learned about NLP I started practicing it and now I don't have

any " psychotic behavior " anymore. Well although, it wasn't actual " psychotic

behavior " , it was just that my psychiatrists were ignorant and filled me up with

medicines, which ALSO caused many stress and probably, problems got worse just

because of that. I was fucking desperate bc all that meds won't make any good

effect whatsoever… but that's just not " my " fault (fault of my own depression,

that is) it was the drugs that acted like a stressor

Anyway back to the subject, there are probably some kind of relations between

mind and body, and one can use mind to heal the body (and maybe even the other

way around, at least in the cases of " constitutional " psychosis). As

biological1981 and other users here pointed out in various threads, it is

possible to recover PSSD just by working on the psiche itself. I repeat, it is

NOT because PSSD has a mental etiology (or atleast, not purely mental). It has

indeed a chemical etiology, but it just doesn't matter: people recovered from

cancer, which is caused by pollution in most cases, so I'm pretty damn sure it

will work on sexual dysfunctions too, which is also very much less worse than a

mortal illness like cancer...

2) there are many other reasons to work on psychology: like, many of us (me too)

has got a dysfunction within adrenals. Now, adrenals produce cortisol so if you

are overstressed (like I am) your adrenals will suffer even more, and it will

worse the overall situation. So first off, one should stop getting depressed

about PSSD and think about something else (possibly something nicer, practically

just about anything) so your adrenals will have a break and get a chance to heal

themselves. Improving your overall mental status, using psychology (personally I

recommend transitional analysis, which pretty much miracled me quite like NLP)

to relieve from your stress, will only make things better. Many things can be

done towards recovery: herbs, homeopathy… why not working on the mind?

3) I'm pretty goddamn sure there are psychological implications in PSSD. In

fact, many psychosomatologists (like PNEI and Bioenergetic practitioners) claim

that just about any illness have some degree of psychological implication, from

headache to cancer. So, the REAL reason I wrote this post, outside of providing

you some info you might find useful, is to persuade all of you to help me in

creating some kind of psychological survey project, possibly an anonymous one,

because I don't actually give a damn if mr. john doe got anhedonic problems

before PSSD, but I DO care about how many people experienced loss of libido and

orgasmic pleasure before taking SSRI's, because THAT could be useful to know.

Quantity, not quality. Essentially, what I'm trying to do is to " artificially "

create situations like the one described by biological 1981. If you haven't read

his post, he claims he recovered, and just by psychological means. If you trust

me, we may try. The first thing I need is infos to build up decent theories to

work on, that's why I need the surveys. Yes, one can post on threads but things

got too much chaotic this way: we need easily accessible infos for use, just

like researchers do.

One last thing I have to say: REMEMBER, medicine doesn't help us. Ever olistic

medicine isn' t helping, I went yesterday by an homeopathic specialist, I

explained him about PSSD, and as always happened `till now by all the medics I

told this, he said I'm just " somatizing " it, like I'm auto-suggesting myself.

They just don't believe drug induced sexual disfunctions could chronicize, and

I'm desperate. I believe it is not true, but ON THE OTHER HAND, maybe if I

remove psychological blockades toward recovery like bad self suggestion (which I

have, and I believe all of us have), things will get better and maybe even

recover spontaneously. It may sound dumb but just the fact of being optimistic

toward recovery process, could help a lot, and also relieve the stress caused by

this problem which helps not only recovery, but life quality in his whole. It is

practically like using placebo-effect on our side.

So I repeat, medicine doesn't help us, it's clear. Nobody gives a damn about it,

nobody will spend money in a research about an illness which is just too rare to

be lucrative to heal. It' s sad but it's true. So, what should we do? Get

desperate? No, because that, as NLP teaches, is not productive, and is

depressive too. So WE MUST HELP THEMSELVES, WE MUST BE ON THE FIRST LINE and

work, make researches between us because nobody gives a damn about our

condition, and make researchers out of ourselves! Healing WHATEVER illness is

not a matter of taking magical pills, you got PSSD because you believed that

magical serotonin pills would heal your depression: well I hope you now

understand that healing is a matter of effort and work, sacrifices and good

will. I just cannot make it all alone. At least give me info, otherwise I just

cannot do anything. Many of you studied neurobiology, but nothing useful came

out until now. I spent a lot of money on natural supplements, and nothing has

worked, even though I was optimistic about it: in fact sometimes I got somehow

better from some supplements, but these effects didn't lasted, so maybe it was

the placebo effect.

But I don't give up. I have a lot other health issues, way worse than PSSD, but

I can't give up. I believe in recovery, and you should also. I'm sorry to say

that, but neurobiology hasn't helped us until now, and I don't believe it will

in the next future. It's just an approach too " close-minded " and " ancient " , so

to speak. Epigenetics is damn interesting and olistic, but way too hard to

understand, let alone any possible use: it's a whole lot easier working on the

psiche, rather than on genes. I personally believe PNEI and bioenergetic is the

future of medicine, just like NLP is the future of psychology, neurology and

psychiatry, and maybe also a whole lot other " mind-related " sciences, like

sociology.

So, as I said before, I'm thinking about creating some kind of survey (possibly

anonymous for privacy's sake) to analyze psychological disorders which are

connected with PSSD. Later we will try to sort out theories about how to use

psychologic approaches to recovering, removing obstacles, nevrosis, disbelief,

stress, skepticism etc. But I need your help. I just can't make it all alone,

plus I need to know if your situation is just like mine or not. We've got to

sort similiarities between our cases, otherwise we just don't know what to do. I

know a lot about psychology, I understand there are many people in here which

studied a lot of neurobiology, in an effort to repair their damage. Well I think

it's just too hard that way, I'm pretty sure a psychological approach will give

more results. Yes, yes I know it's hard to believe, when I feel the numbness and

lack of desire and pleasure in such a hard manner, I can't help but think that

it's purely biological and neurological. But that would mean throw the towel,

since it's so much easier to work on the mind, rather than the body, so easy

that we can do it ourselves.

Shit, I even recovered from a (probably) serious case of mental illness, maybe

it was even schizophrenia (the psychiatrists still think so), if the mental

illness was really so bad, it should be pretty easy to overcome this (relatively

smaller) problem. You can do it too, trust me. It' a matter of mindfullness,

which I gained through extensive psychology " training " , not only reading books

but experiencing life differently.

So, I ask you to trust my PNEI approach, which gives way more paths towards full

recovery than neurobiology. Help me, and we will try to sort things out. Contact

me if you're interested in helping or just share info (which I am hunger for),

otherwise just give me your availability to answer the surveys I' ll be posting

in the next months. I will also post some theories I'm working on, the one

theories which makes me think about how much psychology is involved in that

mess.

Right now I'm taking some homeopathic medications for the addiction to ssri's

and neuroleptics, when I'm done with I'll go to an olistic neurologist from

Naples, quite famous here in Europe. He is also a PNEI practitioner, maybe he

can help me (and us together). He is also a specialist in suing doctors for

malpractice (some of his patients are ex- malpractitioner psychiatrists patiens)

Hey by the way, if some of you randomly drop by Naples let me know, we can met

and be my guests. I will offer you some spaghetti with clams, which are pretty

good here in Naples, and if you like we can talk about a couple things I have in

mind (like a class action against ely lilly and such)

As you can see, I wrote a lot of stuff. I'm seriously determined into working

toward a solution, by psychological means. But, if you don't trust me, it's just

time and efforts lost. So, let's start with a simple and little survey to see it

this is worth the costs. Just answer to whatever question you want, ignore the

others. Please note that if you're taking drugs right now, since they alters

mental and health state, it's not useful if you bring information: they just

cannot be precise. I experienced a crapload new mental disorders since I took

drugs, from insomnia to anxiety to atharaxia (loss of emotions). But the fact

I'm experiencing it right now (one year after quitted taking drug) is

significant, because that COULD be in-bound in my illness/personality -but could

also be a long lasting side effect, it's impossible to tell. So please do not

respond if you're still taking drugs.

1) How many time ago did you quitted drugs?

2) Which drug you taken? (not the precise commercial name, just the type like

neuroleptics, SSRIs, benzodiazepines etc)

3) Do you experienced any change in personality since you took the drug?

4) Do these changes reversed or not?

5) Are some of your previous symptoms got worse after taking the drug?

6) Have you experienced other health issues after taking the drug (beside PSSD)?

7) If so, as far as you can tell, do you think they may be psychosomatic

illnesses, or drug rebound/intoxication effects? (yes, your telling does count.

Try " listening " to your body, rather than listening to prozac like a famous book

tell)

8) Do you believe there could be some use in approaching PSSD from a

psychological point of view?

9) Do you believe that your case of PSSD could be involved within psychological

factors?

10) Do you believe informations collected by surveys like this could be of any

use? (seriously, I need to know if people trust my sight)

March 14, 2011

Hi Ben,

How long did you have PSSD before you started to recover?

V

> > >

> > > I apologise, but I don't own an internet connection myself so I will

connect sporadically. I'm very glad there are people that believe in a

psychological approach, in the next weeks I will start posting theories on how

to " make your mind " to work in your favor.

> > >

> > > Remember, there are a lot of doctors who actually believe that 80% of

total illnessess are psychosomatics. I know it sounds crazy, but it is actually

pretty possible, at least. My humble theory is the following; kinda like an

algorithm as you see:

> > >

> > > Psychological distress -- AND/OR Other physical distress (like bad

sleeping, hormonal impairment, junk food, vaccines, whatever) AND/OR genetical

predisposition

> > > |

> > > |AND

> > > |

> > > Stressor exposure (SSRI in this case, but there are alot who sums up and

removing any of them is of great use, remember that)

> > > |

> > > |lead to

> > > |

> > > sexual dysfunctions

> > > |

> > > |AND

> > > |

> > > even more stress caused by (logical anyway) disbelief in wellness

> > > |

> > > PSSD

> > >

> > > Put briefly, I think that psychological distress is a prerequisite - I

hope it's spelled correctly... what I mean is, without psychological OR other

physical distress, PSSD doesn't trigger. This may hold true for just whatever

non-traumatic illness you may think of. But psychological distress is pretty

standard in illnesses situations, stress just inhibits self healing properties

of the human body. Because remember, God knew what he was doing when he made us.

Researchers instead just plain don't know what the hell they're doing. They're

handling a machine which is just too complicated for them. So trust in yourself,

like me and many others did. Trust in God, or the great Universe, or whoever

created this astounding mechanism of self healing. This doesn't mean " don't go

to medics " , as I' m doing it myself and that would be hypocrite. Just don't go

to allopathic medics! Do yourself a favour and stop intoxicating yourself!

Holistics medics claim they " remove obstacles toward self-healing " . That's all

you need, really. Remember, people recovered from schizophrenia, multiple

sclerosis, authism (which are considered lifetime diseases) so you can do just

fine, what the hell.

> > >

> > > by the way, quite obviously psychological distress can be caused by drugs

themselves... I'm suffering severe psychological stress right now, but it

appears clear to me that it started since I took medications - I never had

something similar before, no sexual dysfunctions, nor insomnia, neither anxiety.

> > > But it can be worked out psychologically, just like with meditation one

can relieve stress working on the body. It works like that

> > > breath ---> body --> mind --> thoughts ---> breath and so on, in a

virtuous circle

> > > So it can be also made the other way around, it's just harder (that's why

fighting panic attacks through TCC psychology is just dumb, but psychologists

themselves doesn't know or maybe pretend, or just don't care.)

> > > One have to work on his thoughts, which is kinda hard for a neurotic - and

just about EVERYONE is neurotic, it's just a matter of how bad a neurotic one

is. Probably, only high level yoga practicioners are not neurotic, and even

then it's just a matter of controlling it, because practically the simple fact

of THINKING just makes you a neurotic. Many psychiatrists confirmed me that,

even the ones who truly bombarded me badly, so figure it out.

> > >

> > > Oh, one last thing: if you know about Emile Couè' s auto-suggestion

theories, you should know that they may work for either positive and negative

effects. So that's why I spoke about

> > > thoughts control (which is not brainwash, not when it comes from inside

you.)The PNEI practictioners also talks about " nocebo " effect, which is the

opposite of placebo. So I must warn hikergal:

> > >

> > > Quote:

> > > ...I think in some cases such severe damage is done that healing is

impossible.

> > > end of quote/

> > >

> > > I got to tell you, and anyone else: never EVER think about it! This way,

you'll shut the doors yourself! Look at biological's story, he recovered from

one hell of a PSSD case. Believe you will recovern and even if you don't (for

some time, but I'm sure in the end we all got there) you may get released by

stress through HOPE, which is very powerful. Some sociologists (and I think even

the famous psychologist Goleman) say people from southern Italy receive

less stress damage, because they are " culturally " hopeful. Learn from us!

> > >

> > > btw Thanks everyone for sharing that info, I'll try to make some use out

of it.

> > >

> > > Speaking of my physical side of the problem, right today I went on an

holistic medicine site, which informs about the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, and

- what the heck! I got ALL OF THEM minus dysmenhorrea O.O ! My adrenal

dysfunction has been confirmed by my homeotoxicologist, so it should not be

hypothiroidis (or whatever that's spelled)

> > > So now I know where to start from the physical point of view. Relieving,

isn't it? Start working on your health YOURSELF, don't wait for doctors to

miracle you: they will not and we all know it. So miracle yourself!

> > > I also sometimes feel a pain which starts in the area where kidneys are

(adrenal glands, I guess) and go down to the testicles. Maybe it's the pudens

nerve? I guess I'll go and see an acupunturist, those symptoms are too similar

to the ones described about adrenal fatigue, but also neuralgia. Alright, time

ran out, see you next week

> > > Take care

> > >

> >

>

March 14, 2011

Some people here have said forget about getting better, if you lose a limb or a

finger it will never grow back again. I can understand how upset and doomed

these people feel, but the brain is different, and like the liver, it can

rebuild and repair itself. I have posted quite a lot of links here about this

over the last year and how best to achieve this. My hope for an eventual

recovery has not been dented one bit.

The last few months for me have been living hell, but I am not defeated at all

by the anxiety, fear, and depression. Like the star ship Entreprise on warp 9,

it's been terrifying, but I am beginning to see some rays of hope.

Obtaining peace of mind is the first stage in getting a recovery from PSSD. When

I have recoverd full psychogical, emotional, and physical health, and feel

wonderful and fantastic again so that it is good to be alive, then my brain has

already started to recover. Then quality sleep, serenity, exercise, falling in

love again, and time will do the rest.

On some days recently it has been like spring here in the UK, and those lovely

women wearing more summer type clothes look as sweet as those flowers that are

beginning to pop up around here. This is something worth fighting for.

Kaivey

> >

> > From: benrunyan26@ <benrunyan26@>

> > Subject: Re: Premise of Project for Internal Surveys about

psychological etiology hypothesis

> > To: SSRIsex

> > Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:29 AM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > I know many of you doubt or disregard the possibility of

mental/psychological influences in PSSD, and a few months ago I was one of these

people, but I am here to tell you I choose/chose to recover, and I am already on

my way.

> >

> > Like many of you I was desperate, panicked and terrified that my life was

over before I got to experience it. I had had 2 girlfriends who I enjoyed good

sexual relations with before SSRI's took that away from me entirely. I lost all

connection with my penis, and at one point in January lost the ability to

orgasm/ejaculate almost completely. I couldnt achieve any erection either.

> >

> > I have gone from losing morning erections completely, from losing total

feeling in my penis, from having no erotic thoughts or dreams, to now.

> >

> > Between NOW and then I made a decision. After almost taking my life Feb

13th, I have made signifigant on and off improvements. I MADE the decision that

I will recover. Like Biker, and biologic, I consciously made the decision that I

will be a recoverer. It is that simple.

> >

> > I now wake up every morning with erections. I have great orgasms, and feel

REAL passioniate libido sporatically.

> >

> > I still feel numbness, still feel disattachment, and I cannot keep it up

long enough for sex yet. But it is a DRAMATIC improvement over what was

happening say 2 months ago.

> >

> > The fact that I can feel romantic feelings now, joy, have erotic dreams and

feel pleasure in things, i just know I will make a full recovery. And the other

i had the first maintainable, sustainable erection withuot porn in the shower.

> >

> > You can recover. You just have to believe it.

> >

> > -Ben

> >

>

March 14, 2011

I just reached a year of PSSD. I would say starting in January i begin my

recovery.

I cold turkeyed off lexapro in March 2010. After that the genital anesthesia set

in but i still had some response to visual stimuli. That progressively got worse

until November when it bottomed out and i felt completely castrated.

Starting in January I was finally off all medication (Zyprexa at the time) and

then i started getting morning erections back.

I now get morning erections everyday and more and mroe they are maintainable as

I wake up. I masturbate maybe twice a day and have good to great orgasms most of

the time.

In the past 2 days I have for the first time since last august experienced that

fire down below in response to being close to a girl. I have more erotic dreams

now and I can maintain erections much better now.

The numbness is the WORST part. I feel it in my genitals and inner thighs, I

hope this gets better. But I have just started recovering and will be ready to

have sex soon.

I KNOW i will recover, and I think this is the key to my recovery. Positive

thinking.

I am only 1 year out and have just started seeing recovery. It took some people

4 years to see improvements. Imagine how far I will go!

-Ben

> > > >

> > > > I apologise, but I don't own an internet connection myself so I will

connect sporadically. I'm very glad there are people that believe in a

psychological approach, in the next weeks I will start posting theories on how

to " make your mind " to work in your favor.

> > > >

> > > > Remember, there are a lot of doctors who actually believe that 80% of

total illnessess are psychosomatics. I know it sounds crazy, but it is actually

pretty possible, at least. My humble theory is the following; kinda like an

algorithm as you see:

> > > >

> > > > Psychological distress -- AND/OR Other physical distress (like bad

sleeping, hormonal impairment, junk food, vaccines, whatever) AND/OR genetical

predisposition

> > > > |

> > > > |AND

> > > > |

> > > > Stressor exposure (SSRI in this case, but there are alot who sums up and

removing any of them is of great use, remember that)

> > > > |

> > > > |lead to

> > > > |

> > > > sexual dysfunctions

> > > > |

> > > > |AND

> > > > |

> > > > even more stress caused by (logical anyway) disbelief in wellness

> > > > |

> > > > PSSD

> > > >

> > > > Put briefly, I think that psychological distress is a prerequisite - I