Re: Stablon (Tianeptine): + positive results of naltrexone

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Here's the original email sent about his recovery....Bumping it to give the

hope of recovery to some.

>

> Hi Mohamed,

>

> I tried Stablon and SSRIS; I think Stablon is the less dangerous,

> it gave me some Energy and improved my sleep, but after 3 months

> sleep went down to 0 again, thus I had to stop; I got overexcited.

> Therefore if you think about taking either Stablon or SSRIS then take

> Stablon, especially as it has no (for me) negative sexual side-effects but

> be careful, it is nevertheless a psychoactive substance, start with small

doses.

>

> This being said I nevertheless want to recall

> my story, which suggests rather giving naltrexone a try (or maybe buprione

> nefazodone or other antidepressants influencing adrenaline metabolism and

flow).

>

> - until the age of 32 I was perfectly healthy mentally(mathematician) and

> physically(3h40 in marathon), however a bit shy because of a quite nasty and

> dominant character of my father who more or less started to mob me,

> especially since he saw that I got better at maths than he (he studied maths

too).

> My bosses at work started to mob me to (they were " friends " of my father that

> were jaleous of him), and my father in turn used this situation in order to

destabilize

> me even more ... consequence, I got sucidal thoughts.

>

> - then i went to a psychiatrist who told me I " might " (!) have a depression

> (maybe I had a situational depression but not a clinical one) and manipulated

me into

> taking seroxat (a SSRI) saying it was harmless. My situation went from rather

bad

> to catastrophic when seroxat suddenly started to act: I felt extreme

depersonalization

> (+complete numbness in the penis and rather complet numbness in the body,

smell not

> functioning anymore, no more feelings, all this causing panic and the panic

maybe

> enhanicing in turn this feeling of strangeness). After one month I quit

Seroxat, but my

> mental health did not improve but rather went on worsening so that I needed

medical help.

>

> I changed the psychiatrist, but when I told him what I felt he said it was

> schizophrenia!!! Thus I took until 4mg Risperdal for almost 2 years. Risperdal

> improves sleep and apetite but has no effect on depersonalization. After

quiiting

> Risperdal, after 2 months without medecine sleepnessness panic and lack of

> apetite came back, but not waning Risperdal I manipulated my doctor a bit into

> giving anoter antidapressant(Stablon) a try, which gave me like desribed in

the

> introducing paragraph sleep, apetite and energy, but didn't improve libido a

lot and especially

> had no effect on pysical numbness and depersonalization. After 3 months, I got

overexcited, sleep

> went away again and thus I needed to stop; my doctor was on holiday and thus I

went

> to the emergency department of the hospital, as I just found out on wikipedia

my main symptom was

> depersonalization as my doctor hadn't told me and made me believe

depersonalization was a

> positive(=characteristic) symptom of schizophrenia, which it is not.

>

> By chance the chief psychiatrist of the hospital gave me an appointment: when

I said him my

> doctor told me I was psychotic, he started to say everything I told him (what

is basically what

> I write now) was nonsense, and started to simply paint a little ugly fat man

on a sheet of paper

> without even looking at me anymore). At that moment thanks to the new

confidence my

> girlfriend and my boss at my new job gave me I told the psychiatrist that I

didn't apreciate his

> painting and that it was not my job to tell him, like I would tell a little

boy, how to behave; I never

> saw him again (except maybe on the Luxembourgish TV) newer paid the bill and

he never dared to

> ask a second time for his honorary.

>

> Having read (wikipedia depersonalization) that sometimes Naltrexone(an

Opoid antagonist) helps

> fighting depersonalization I gave it a try, however as no doctor would try

such a thing I had to ask

> my girlfriend to send me the thing (by mail wraped inside pampers) from Peru

(where everyone can

> buy any medecine he wants, without needing a prescription of a doctor)

> An Opoid antagonist seemed quite interesting to me because I felt numbness and

Opoids create numbness,

> thus my theory was my body might produce too much Opoids(endorphines);

moreover I think that

> any feeling is for the brain a kind of pain (e.g. you feel love in your

stomach) thus physical and

> mental numbness I think might be a bit related. After starting Naltrexone

(2*50mg a day; although

> now I thing 3*25 is more appropriate) sleep immediately came back; half of the

pysical numbness

> imediateluy went away; the quality of erections improved (harder and more

sensitive penis). Gradually

> some other symptoms of depersonalization also went away (persons did not

anymore give me the feeling

> like they were no living objects ), aetite normamlized, I started to do sports

again; in total I've lost 20kg of

> which 12 since naltrexone) apetite has normalized, libido is I think 35%

(although I think it is difficult to

> given precicse percentages). As my situation improveds a lot I plan to taper

off Naltrexone (which my

> psychiatrist; I like his pragmatic approach and respect of the patient;

kindly prescribed me when he saw

> the benefits) until 10th of april (thus I would have taken it for one year).

In may I'll write again how my story goes on.

>

> Regards and never give up fighting

>

> Jean

>

> PS: Here are a few adivices I think are useful in case you have " psychiatric "

problems

>

> -- Don't trust any advices or theories, don't trust mine too; you are a free

man and have a critical

> mind; use it in order to check any advices see if they are logic and don't

contradict what you observe.

> --Pschyiatry only studies behaviour in an abstract way; for example if they

see that youn are angry they

> might give you medecine to calm you down; they might not even think about

telling you that you are mobbed

> and that you either need to fight back or quit your job, but have some

dignity and should not behave like a victim.

> If you don't see any sense in your life and therefore feel like doing

nothing at all, they give you antidepressants instead

> of improving your self confidence and helping you to find meaningful life .

Psychology looks at they content of your

> sentences, therefore I would give it a try, but you are the boss of your

psychologist, he can only advise you, but you

> have the responsibility to decide how to act

> --When you feel that you have an organic problem observe precisely what your

symptoms are (not saying psychotic or

> depressive or whatsoever) but headache, numbness, no libido, panic, rage,

restlessness, visual hallucinations (like seeing

> green men), and try to find medecine that acts precisely on the symptoms,

don't take two medicaments simultaeously

> after having tried them separately as otherwise you won't know what the

effect of the one and of the other

> --sports might help; give sports a try especially endurance sports (I do 10h

sports a week, and plan to do 16)

> --improve mental strength (study religion(s) philosophy history maths); I saw

persons walk out of psychiatry

> having developed partially inside mental abilities superior to the ones of

their doctors

> --Try to build up a good relation with your doctor, psychiatrist, don't change

psychiatrists, psychologists often

> because they need to know you; however if you mistrust your doctor don't try

to prove mathematically that he was

> wrong, simply change the doctor, some of the doctors (but not most) are

bastards (study the history of medecine

> in Nationalsocialist Germany if you feel like)

>

>

> specifically on naltrexone:

> --maybe nathrexone helped because it might cause an adrenaline rush (see

wikipedia naloxone which is similar);

> in this case antidepressants acting on adrenaline might be worth a try

(buprione, nefazodone) (this is only

> a theoretical speculation of mine); but some persons experiencing various

problems after SSRIS have had positive

> results with this mnefazodone, ...

> --naltrexone is not harmless either (might cause euphoria / depressions /

nausea / ...)

>

>

>

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> ________________________________

>

> To: SSRIsex

> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:01:54 PM

> Subject: Stablon (Tianeptine):

>

>

> is it good to try

> Stablon (Tianeptine)

> or it is dangerous

>