Guest guest Posted November 20, 1999 Report Share Posted November 20, 1999 In a message dated 11/20/99 4:59:24 AM Central Standard Time, Gene writes: > BTW, are you doing any reading on the Edinger book? I haven't heard very > much here on this site, but maybe it's because we've still got our noses > stuck in the book. and also writes: > How sad here for the Aggies. How ironic - while I was out on my morning run yesterday (as Nietzche said, " never trust any ideas you have while sitting down " ) I was thinking about writing up a post about how the tragic toppled tower of trees was such a perfect symbol of the collective ego inflation Edinger is warning us of in Apocalypse. One of points Edinger makes is that we are in a collective ego inflation - we believe ourselves Gods, with our power of death (nuclear bombs) and life (organ transplants - he writes about this toward the end of the book). But in our inflation, we are not addressing what economists call " externalities " , the side effects of our path: MAD, pollution, the death of species, etc. The Aggie tower is the perfect symbol for this: it was a collective ego consciousness that created the tower, and had an inflated idea of the control over what it was doing. It was supported by a coniunctio of two timbers. The dynamics of the toppling is studied in what is called Catastrophe Theory: a little slip in the timber joint causes the logs to move a little which causes the jount to slip more which... Here at the end of the Piscean age, each of us is one little drop of the glue that holds the two logs of the pole together. Jung knew it would be hubris on his part to believe that " Answer to Job " could change the course of history, and Edinger knew the same when he wrote " Apocalypse " , but at the end of the day both chose to do what they could to hold the poles together. Edinger is challenging us to do the same. Will you be a drop of glue, or another stick on the pile? --Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 1999 Report Share Posted November 21, 1999 the archetyp symbol on a smaller scale=the fasces, the bound sticks of the Romans, e pluribus unum n together we stand/divided we fall. [orig of fascist] i was also reminded of the great burning of the " wooden man " by the anc Celts. whole affair pagan in roots. i bel i wrote in prev post ab coll ego infl n idea that humankind is capable of destroy world. u find same thing in current astrology - people equating SUN w/ego! that's our prob in a nutshell. Walter, my dear one, had a great idea: that there shld be a universal law that governments shld be 50/50 men n women repr humanity. there just seems to be an enormous Martian phallic energy loose in the world - everybody at odds w/neighbor countries etc. collectively we really have such a bad conscience we proj it onto Mother Nature n expect her to sort it out n she prob will what is sorely, sorely lacking - as Schweitzer pointed out - is REVERENCE FOR LIFE aoh have ed's bk but so little time w/clients, corr, family etc. unbelievable. happy thanksgiving - lots to be grateful for. gratias=grace -as in thanks-n grace mean spiritual gifts. more of the 1, more of t'other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 1999 Report Share Posted November 22, 1999 Kurt, In a message dated 99-11-21 07:49:23 EST, you write: << I was thinking about writing up a post about how the tragic toppled tower of trees was such a perfect symbol of the collective ego inflation Edinger is warning us of in Apocalypse. One of points Edinger makes is that we are in a collective ego inflation - we believe ourselves Gods, with our power of death (nuclear bombs) and life >> I think the Aggie bonfire collapse can very well be understood this way. The destruction of a third millennial Tower of Babel! Perhaps a symbol of conflagration as it applies to the psyche at this time in history. Of course, the typical thing is not to try to perceive this as a psychological (and spiritual ) event, but rather to find a technological solution- to see the collapse as a problem that must be dealt by the very best architectural and scientific minds. Of course, no one here is going to be anywhere ready to hear such an interpretation for a long, long time. Sincerely, Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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