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>From: intothemistic@...

>you can get dentritic salt at snowdriftfarms.com dolores

That's correct. At Snowdrift Farms you can buy 50 lbs of dendritic salt for

$40. Five pounds will costs $5. I have to believe that Morton's Snow Flake

is considerably cheaper. I just called my local distributer for pricing,

but they're closed on Saturday.

But, you can also buy " natural " Potasium Sorbate at Snowdrift Farms and I'm

quite sure Morton doesn't handle that item.

Do we have a credabilty problem here or what?

Lucy

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>Hi,

>Not sure if I am being impatient again but I posted a question a few

>days ago about Dentritic salts and ROE. Maybe someone is looking into

>it but thought I would just mention it again as I feel sure I will get

>accurate information from this list. Here's what I said............

You're correct, I was " looking into it " .

> " Could someone tell me exactly (chemical name) what dentritic salt is.

Chemically Dentritic Salts is 99.8% Sodium Chloride.

http://www.foodproductdesign.com/archive/1994/1094AP.html

The dendritic process uses sodium ferrocyanide, known as yellow

prussiate of soda (YPS), to alter the crystallization process. Low

levels of YPS added to the brine prevent normal crystallization, and

the result is a porous, star-shaped crystal.

" The YPS dopes the crystal so it honeycombs, " explains Dave

Strietelmeier, technical director of the Morton Salt Div. of Morton

International, Inc., Chicago. " This gives the salt a light bulk

density-1.7 grams per cubic centimeter versus 2.0 to 2.1 grams per

cubic centimeter for common granulated salt. "

http://www.foodproductdesign.com/archive/1994/1094AP.html

Morton Salt sells Dendritic Salt under the trade name " Snow Flake " . I

sure if you looked in the Yellow Pages under Food Supplies, Food

Products or simply under salt, you would find a local supplier.

>I

>was told that it helps retain fragrance of essential oils if mixed into

>bath salts. True?

Because of the high surface area and porous structure, dendritic salt

will reatin fragrance oils and esential oils. The ues of dendtritic

salt as a carrier for fragrances is covered in US Patent 5,041,421. If

you search this patent for the word " dendtritic " you find many examples

of its use. However, you'll note that dendtritic salt is not

specificaly mentioned in the patent claims, so I doubt that you'll have

any problems with patent infringment. You can find a copy of this

patent by seaching the USPTO Web Patent Databases. Go to

<http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/srchnum.htm> and add the patent number

5,041,421 to the query box.

Also what percentage of ROE is necessary to reduce

>rancidity in oils. "

I'm sorry I can't help you here. I've never used ROE as an

antioxidant. I understand it works quite well, but I find Vitamin E or

mixed tocopherols work very well also and much easier to find. I've

found that 0.2% to 0.25% mixed tocopherols works in my formulas.

You might try reposting a new message with a subject heading " How do I

use ROE? " , I'm sure you would get some responses.

>Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I have not been able to

>find dentritic salts but had a chemical supplier ask for a chemical name

>as they had not heard of it.

As I mentioned earlier, check the Yellow Pages under the heading of

Salt, Food Supplies or Food Products and ask for Morton's Snow Flake

salt.

Maurice

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Please do not take this response the wrong way. Both Maurice and I work as

consultants to earn a living and we freely give information to the members

of this list. When we know the answer off the top of our heads we can

respond quickly but at times it may require some additional research to

provide you with correct information. All this has to fit into our work

schedules also. I cannot speak directly for Maurice for this but I try to

answer either early in the morning or late at night and do some work in the

meantime.

We both try to answer all of the questions posed to the list but it is

important that you and others be patient while we respond. There are

occasions that the Internet will burp and a message may be dropped and a

simple repost is required. I know that Maurice has now responded to this

question with more detail than I would have because all I would have said is

that the salt has been crystallized in a way to increase the surface area

without the specifics of how it was done. This I knew from the top of my

head but I have been in NJ the last several days on business and was too

tired to respond when I got back home.

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products

www.kylabs.com

Dentritic Salts

Hi,

Not sure if I am being impatient again but I posted a question a few

days ago about Dentritic salts and ROE. Maybe someone is looking into

it but thought I would just mention it again as I feel sure I will get

accurate information from this list. Here's what I said............

" Could someone tell me exactly (chemical name) what dentritic salt is.

I

was told that it helps retain fragrance of essential oils if mixed into

bath salts. True? Also what percentage of ROE is necessary to reduce

rancidity in oils. "

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I have not been able to

find dentritic salts but had a chemical supplier ask for a chemical name

as they had not heard of it.

Thanks so much

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> Please do not take this response the wrong way..... When we know the answer

> off the top of our heads we can respond quickly but at times it may require

> some additional research to provide you with correct information.

Humble apologies, I was not aiming my question specifically at you but at

anyone who could answer it. I am used to other lists where I often post

questions and get no response at all so forgive me if I was persistent and made

you feel pressured. I will sit quietly at my computer until a response arrives

in future. :-}

Thanks again for any past or future help.

sincerely,

(Behaving her self patiently!!(lol))

>

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No problem. It's just that sometimes people forget that we chemists do have

other priorities too. Please feel free to post your questions as you have

them and we will try to answer them in a timely fashion. :).

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products

www.kylabs.com

Re: Dentritic Salts

,

> Please do not take this response the wrong way..... When we know the

answer

> off the top of our heads we can respond quickly but at times it may

require

> some additional research to provide you with correct information.

Humble apologies, I was not aiming my question specifically at you but at

anyone who could answer it. I am used to other lists where I often post

questions and get no response at all so forgive me if I was persistent and

made

you feel pressured. I will sit quietly at my computer until a response

arrives

in future. :-}

Thanks again for any past or future help.

sincerely,

(Behaving her self patiently!!(lol))

>

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> Maurice,

Many thanks for your comprehensive answer. I truly appreciate it, especially

the thoroughness and scope of the reply (i.e. patents). I will definately

research this further.

Thanks,

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> >From: intothemistic@w...

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> >you can get dentritic salt at snowdriftfarms.com dolores

>

> That's correct. At Snowdrift Farms you can buy 50 lbs of dendritic

salt for

> $40. Five pounds will costs $5. I have to believe that Morton's

Snow Flake

> is considerably cheaper. I just called my local distributer for

pricing,

> but they're closed on Saturday.

>

FWIW:

Morton Salt sells their dendretic salt under the brand name " Star

Flake " not " Snow Flake " The cost is about $7.10 per 50lb bag,

That's a pretty signicant costs savings.

Lucy

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