Re: my compounding pharma and armour

[Guest guest]

, key word is "unaware". It does not mean that the stuff is the exact same stuff that Forrest uses. I have talked to atleast a half dozen pharmacists, in 2 different states, and none of them were even aware of a formula change in Armour, so I put no credence in that pharmacist's knowledge of the source of the meds that he is providing. In all probability, the porcine thyroid product is most likely produced to a standard, and that is why he stated that it is the same. It sure seems like you are going out of your way to demonize Armour and Natural Thyroid meds. JeffTo: Thyroiditis Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 4:39:05 PMSubject: my compounding pharma and armour

Hi,

I asked my compounding pharma from which companie he got the armour (that's what the prescription said) his answer was:

"I am unaware of other companies who sell the porcine thyroid material. PCCA's product is identical to the Armour product.

PCCA = Professional Compounding Centers of America"

Here you have it, I took armour.

Today is the 4th day on Levoxyl and I feel a little better / don't have as much vertigo as before.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

the pharmacist said " PCCA's product is identical to the Armour product "

I do NOT want to demonize armour and natural thyroid meds. I am all about

natural products for health, was all my life. I rather take the long way with

food and vitamins instead of a so called " big fix " with chemical stuff that

lessens the symptoms.

If I ever wanted to go the natural rout with thyroid meds do I have to order it

from canada? Erfa?

>

> , key word is " unaware " . It does not mean that the stuff is the exact

same stuff that Forrest uses. I have talked to atleast a half dozen pharmacists,

in 2 different states, and none of them were even aware of a formula change in

Armour, so I put no credence in that pharmacist's knowledge of the source of the

meds that he is providing. In all probability, the porcine thyroid product is

most likely produced to a standard, and that is why he stated that it is the

same. It sure seems like you are going out of your way to demonize Armour and

Natural Thyroid meds.

> Jeff

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> To: Thyroiditis

> Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 4:39:05 PM

> Subject: my compounding pharma and armour

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>

> Hi,

> I asked my compounding pharma from which companie he got the armour (that's

what the prescription said) his answer was:

> " I am unaware of other companies who sell the porcine thyroid material.

PCCA's product is identical to the Armour product.

>

> PCCA = Professional Compounding Centers of America "

>

> Here you have it, I took armour.

> Today is the 4th day on Levoxyl and I feel a little better / don't have as

much vertigo as before.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been able to get some generic (probably Westhroid) from CVS here in DFW area, and Armour from Walgreens. CVS here in DFW has not been much of a help in getting any information on availability, unlike my CVS back in New Jersey. The Walgreens on the other hand, has been more helpful. I do not know much about Erfa, but I understand it is not too hard to get, once you get them your scripts. I do not know how it compares to Armour or the Westhroid/Naturethroid products.JeffTo: Thyroiditis Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 5:02:06 PMSubject: Re: my compounding pharma and armour

Hi Jeff,

the pharmacist said"PCCA's product is identical to the Armour product"

I do NOT want to demonize armour and natural thyroid meds. I am all about natural products for health, was all my life. I rather take the long way with food and vitamins instead of a so called "big fix" with chemical stuff that lessens the symptoms.

If I ever wanted to go the natural rout with thyroid meds do I have to order it from canada? Erfa?

>

> , key word is "unaware". It does not mean that the stuff is the exact same stuff that Forrest uses. I have talked to atleast a half dozen pharmacists, in 2 different states, and none of them were even aware of a formula change in Armour, so I put no credence in that pharmacist's knowledge of the source of the meds that he is providing. In all probability, the porcine thyroid product is most likely produced to a standard, and that is why he stated that it is the same. It sure seems like you are going out of your way to demonize Armour and Natural Thyroid meds.

> Jeff

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>

>

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> From: adnil1988 <lindamax@.. .>

> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 4:39:05 PM

> Subject: my compounding pharma and armour

>

>

> Hi,

> I asked my compounding pharma from which companie he got the armour (that's what the prescription said) his answer was:

> "I am unaware of other companies who sell the porcine thyroid material. PCCA's product is identical to the Armour product.

>

> PCCA = Professional Compounding Centers of America"

>

> Here you have it, I took armour.

> Today is the 4th day on Levoxyl and I feel a little better / don't have as much vertigo as before.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

I agree with you. And RLC (makers of Westhroid and Nature-Throid) have this to

say:

" We have received raw materials from our suppliers and have been very diligent

going through our approval process. Although the raw materials may be released

by the supplier per USP specifications, we will not accept and use any material

that does not meet our additional specifications. There are numerous and very

involved assay points (other than just T3 and T4 independent values) on the raw

material for us to simply initiate manufacturing process. Due to natural

sourcing with very stringent pharmaceutical and in-house specifications and

tests, we could have as much as 30% - 40% rejection rate of all incoming raw

materials. We hold very high regards of our process as our physicians and

patients would expect nothing less from our quality control process. "

Whatever those processes are, I cannot believe that a local compounding pharmacy

would be doing the same. And who knows if Forest do the same, less or even more

to check their Thyroid USP supplies?

Let's face it, the name Armour came from the meat-packers who made a few extra

bucks by flogging off the thyroids of the pigs they processed. There isn't

anything glamorous or special about Armour - merely slightly different. And

because the various desiccated thyroid products can be different, it makes sense

to be accurate in identifying which of them we are talking about.

Rod

>

> , key word is " unaware " . It does not mean that the stuff is the exact

same stuff that Forrest uses. I have talked to atleast a half dozen pharmacists,

in 2 different states, and none of them were even aware of a formula change in

Armour, so I put no credence in that pharmacist's knowledge of the source of the

meds that he is providing. In all probability, the porcine thyroid product is

most likely produced to a standard, and that is why he stated that it is the

same. It sure seems like you are going out of your way to demonize Armour and

Natural Thyroid meds.

> Jeff

[Guest guest]

Rod,

I believe that Forest probably realized after the fact that they used *bad* USP

Thyroid powder in their Armour pills. Maybe they'll finally do the right thing

and improve their quality control. Too bad, they won't improve their goodwill

to the public.

Because scientifically the change in fillers that Forest made in Armour

*shouldn't* have caused so many people all the awful and bad side effects. This

just doesn't make sense to me.

I'll not be buying any Forest brands in the future. I don't like the way Forest

does business. I, too, think it's important to identify and not just use a

common word in identifing a desiccated thyroid product, compounded or not. I

suppose you already know that if you read some my recent posts to .

<wink!>

Best,

~Bj

> >

> > , key word is " unaware " . It does not mean that the stuff is the exact

same stuff that Forrest uses. I have talked to atleast a half dozen pharmacists,

in 2 different states, and none of them were even aware of a formula change in

Armour, so I put no credence in that pharmacist's knowledge of the source of the

meds that he is providing. In all probability, the porcine thyroid product is

most likely produced to a standard, and that is why he stated that it is the

same. It sure seems like you are going out of your way to demonize Armour and

Natural Thyroid meds.

> > Jeff

>

[Guest guest]

Bj,

Interesting way of looking at the issue. Maybe indeed?

My pet (and totally unproven) idea is that the cocktail of 'fillers' has a very

important but under-researched effect. Thyroxine (or T3 or desiccated thyroid

powder) will to some extent deteriorate. The actual breakdown products will be

influenced by the fillers and some of these products are known to be highly

bio-active.[1]

So even if the thyroid hormone analysis is spot on and the fillers themselves

are utterly innocuous there could be important effects on the person taking the

tablets. (Or maybe some fillers prevent the formation of such bio-active

substances?) And I'd guess this is especially likely towards the tail end of the

tablets' lifetimes.

[1] E.g. some of the substances mentioned here

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18279024>

Rod

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> Rod,

>

> I believe that Forest probably realized after the fact that they used *bad*

USP Thyroid powder in their Armour pills. Maybe they'll finally do the right

thing and improve their quality control. Too bad, they won't improve their

goodwill to the public.

>

> Because scientifically the change in fillers that Forest made in Armour

*shouldn't* have caused so many people all the awful and bad side effects. This

just doesn't make sense to me.

>

> I'll not be buying any Forest brands in the future. I don't like the way

Forest does business. I, too, think it's important to identify and not just use

a common word in identifing a desiccated thyroid product, compounded or not. I

suppose you already know that if you read some my recent posts to .

<wink!>

>

> Best,

> ~Bj