Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 seen it? you're welcome to join in. http://jungcircle.com/muse/holysmoke.html Dialogue on HOLY SMOKE one man's nigredo K Anand wrote: <<Saw Holy Smoke, Deb. I enjoyed it, but my friend's wife couldn't relate to it. Unconventional (and disturbing-- perhaps more so for a male, you think?) movie. >>In fact, offhand I can't think of any man I know who would like the movie. Interesting how the tables were turned, unexpectedly but very plausibly. [The bitchy " I won! Admit it, I won! " Kick the guy's balls when he's down! After he objectified her initially.] >> Deborah: Think of exactly who he is and how he betrays his position on every level. First as a philosopher, then as a psychologist, the priest of his time. He has a captive audience, he has the experience of his years, and look what he does. So if she kicks him in the balls, he 1) deserves it: he kicks her in the soul from the start; and 2) he needs it. This is one man's nigredo. Holy Smoke is the cusp we now stand on... a sliver of moon, a tilting axis. What is the task of our age? We might recall that WE ARE ONE SPECIES, the eyes and ears of a planet where all matter descends from stars. War of the sexes is the mindspeak of an age in the process of passing way. Ruth goes beyond it. " I won. " What is she saying? She won not because of taking the upper hand, controlling sexually, but because she thought she'd shown him his hypocrisy, that his psycho-babble spirituality misses the whole point. And in saying " I won " , she was untrue to her own sense of compassion --that which has been awakened in her... and immediately regrets her cruelty. In the end, does she not take him to her embrace? Not as a sexual creature or as winner, but out of higher love. The words to the song in the scene: For time will catch us in both hands To blow away like grains of sand Ashes to ashes rust to dust This is what becomes of us When sexuality becomes part of Being, of *uniting* and not a force unto itself alone--when we merge and become neither male or female--that's the compassion of the great heart, the stillpoint of the Self. Libido understood this way makes everything one casts eyes on a thing loved with the same passion one once reserved for the sexual. So I can't speak of those wars of the sexes at all. I only see cruelty (winning/losing) and compassion (uniting). And that's what the ultimate message of Holy Smoke is. When I watched it with friends they laughed at Ruth's conversion experience with Baba--and it was very funny, the way it was done. But that doesn't mean there isn't a 3rd eye and that doesn't mean that there aren't teachers /situations that act as catalysts to open a soul *when it is ready* to be opened. Ruth opened herself... and we see her ripen throughout the movie. We see all the women ripening--all of them way ahead of the men who are still stuck in that Piscean world of opposites. It's Ruth, the woman, who goes over the peak first, into the sun, into the new age. That glorious scene, half satire, half the deepest and most longed for moment of aware ecstasis, enacts that: the women are in the kitchen (Carol with her girls club shirt) and all of them singing the lord's prayer--and we cut to Ruth, looking like the female Christ, as she crests the hill and walks into the sun--she crosses over, continues down the other side and disappears--and she's across into the symbolic new age... thy kingdom come, thy will be done, *on earth* as it is in heaven--are the word the women sing. On earth... Yes. Exactly. Our daughters: Quis hic locus, quae regio, quae mundi plaga? What images return O my daughter. " The pursuit of consciousness, " con-science " , unites the goals of the two previous stages of Western history, namely religion and science. Religion (meaning " linking back " ) has as its essential purpose the maintaining of man's connectedness with God. This corresponds to Eros, the connec ting principle, and the " withness " factor of consciousness as " knowing with. " Science, on the other hand, boldly gave up the connection with the other and opted instead to pursue an increase in human knowledge. If religion is Self-centered, science is ego-centered. Religion is based on Eros, science on Logos. The age now dawning will provide a synthesis for this thesis and antithesis. Religion sought linkage, science sought knowledge. The new worldview will seek *linked knowledge.* " It is already widely recognized that the pursuit of scientific knowledge as the highest goal of human endeavor is puerile and inadequate to the needs of the whole man. A return to the intellectually naive standpoint of concrete religious faith is equally inappropriate to the modern mind. A genuinely new goal and purpose for human existence is required. That new goal has been found and articulated by Jung. In his words, " Man is the mirror which God holds up before him, or the sense organ with which he apprehends his being. " " Thus, the individual's striving for consciousness becomes... the new answer to the age-old question of the meaning of life. " excerpt from Edinger's _Creation of Consciousness_, p. 57-58 And what liberation! Ruth and her mother and Carol will escape into higher planes. But what of with a Y? She who is primping and defines herself only as a sexual object? She who has sex with phantasms when she's bonked by the totally clueless Robbie? (Their clothes--the guns on his shirt, their little boy playing cowboy -- " Bang bang! Grandma! Bang bang! " Chip off the old notch.) We don't know what will happen to with a Y, but maybe some of those women watching who can't relate will see themselves in her... All unfolds in time. I love that scene where Ruth realizes that her father has lied to her (he's such a lying sack of shite in his Playboy shirt, the bag of shite emblem). She takes the pole and goes to hit him, and she becomes surrounded by the ring of males. (Rods and circles. Temenos, Oroboros..) All of them saying " We love you. " " Yes, we love you Ruth! " Ha! Such love, girlie. They're gonna straighten you out! It's like the patriarchs who are busy at work loving the whole earth to death with their righteousness right now--the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy: That which is passing away... and doing as much damage as it can on its way down. From inside the ring of men--her bondage--Ruth looks to Timmy, her gay brother--the only man who can come close to relating to her. And even he betrays her. That's when she breaks. Just believe Ruth. She's on her way to something. She's taking us where we're all going... God I love her. She dances with the woman in the club: " I put a spell on you. " She has to awaken to her own power before she can give it up freely--else it's a false ascension. And here's she's feeling her power, watching PJ watch her, all right. And doubly sweet because she knows what went on with , his holy hypocrisy (keep breathing) ... a worse trespass for him because he has the role of a priest in this culture. But the scene where Devi appears to PJ! When *he* projects her image in Ruth's form, the goddess reveals herself to him--BECAUSE HE IS READY. He's dressed as a woman--his own anima. And he has only one boot on, is on his knees and on his belly. Well, that lone boot/ sandal --that's an old symbol of Hectate (Hekate) worship, and PJ is just about a sandal past Etna, as Liz and I joke. He's on his way to the underworld to meet the goddess, the heart, the fire that burns in everything. Hephastus and Hades and Helios the sun are all nothing without her... she who burns as a point in the darkness. The light of the dark wing. And so he recovers. He lets Carol patch him up and put him back together, the mortal woman who forgives his trespasses--and he has twins!!! That's Devi's image on the computer at the end--did you see? " Something really did happen. " He understands that Ruth -- the goddess he saw in her-- " loves him from a distance, " and he says: " I wear it like a blessing. " He wears it like a blessing. PJ wasn't kicked at all, certainly not in the balls. He had his 3rd eye opened, made his trip down to Hades. Maybe the 3rd eye is just a little lower in men! What else? Oh. As PJ has his vision of Devi / Ruth, it fades and spits into three--a trinity of beings. Who are they? , Robbie, and Timmy: Female, male, and merged: Tim is gay. The opposites and their resolution: metaphor for the coming age. Anyway--there's a start. I love this movie... That's all I can say. Anand : >>The whole power play between the sexes is impossible. [Within the sexes is not as treacherous and difficult. It's SEX that's the source of the mess. Yet, excise the sexuality and too much is lost.] I despair of any (even partial) resolution. At least I can see the problem.>> Deborah: Just forget the sex bogey. Sex is just beings meeting, seeing the godhood in each other--creator in the created. Incarnation. Sexuality is the magic ritual of incarnation. It's what we have to do--*with awareness*: Consciousness makes it a sacrament. Anand: >>Kate Winslett's character lives her Eros, uncompromisingly. She learns compassion.>> Deb: Yes, yes, and yes. Anand: >>Not many women like that either.>> Deborah: Oh heck, we're all like that at heart. It's what we really are--the way we're born. It's just nice when people realize they don't have to die to transcend. Contrast with Clarissa and Lovelace. And yet--I AM Lovelace--just as I AM Heathcliff. Sometimes I'm ce Olivier. No battle of the sexes here. We're all in each other. Anand: >> I am just holding the movie in my consciousness without taking sides. Would love to hear your take on it.>> Thank you for asking. Namaste, Deborah Magic is not about disorder. On the contrary, it reestablishes a peaceful coexistence between the conscious and unconscious when coexistence is under attack. ~Ioan Culiano back to Clarissa part 1 Holy moly! CLARISSA is released on DVD 2 and VHS! ....where we dare to be dewy-eyed among smart people In the floods of life, in the storm of work, In Ebb and flow, In warp and weft, Cradle and grave, An eternal sea, A changing patchwork, A glowing life, At the whirring loom of Time I weave The living clothes of the Deity. ~Goethe, the Earth Spirit to Faust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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