Re: Star trek theory ( just for laughs)

[Guest guest]

That's an interesting theory. I was really into Star Trek when I was younger so I know a bit about this. The Vulcans were for a long time much like Humans, only maybe more so. They were very emotional and violent, and they nearly ended up wiping themselves out. A philosoper came along at that time and espoused the logic idea. The Vulcans originally embraced logic as a means of survival and stayed with it from there.

Vulcans still do have emotions, they just keep them repressed. Some episodes did have Spock slip, or in the Next Generation, when Picard took the emotional load for Sarek. They warned Picard that Vulcan emotions were more powerful than human emotions, and they were worried that it might actually kill him. That does relate somewhat to Asperger's since most of the time I don't really feel anything, but when emotion does come along it is rather powerful and sometimes hard to control. Therefore, I try to avoid them as much as possible.

As for Vulcans being AS, I don't think that is quite right. They are like they are not so much because of genetics, except maybe for the intelligence, but it is an imposed philosphy. In the movie where they meet that "Deity" in the center of the galaxy, the whole matter was predicated by Spock's brother: a Vulcan who had rejected logic and embraced emotions. So, they might be a kind of culturally imposed AS, but they aren't really AS since it isn't genetic.

[Guest guest]

Fascinating.

I have often theorized the same thing myself.

Roddenberry has almost always included a being on each of his Star

Trek series that has struggled with humanity.

Spock (Star Trek): Stuggles to reject his humanity but cannot always

do so. In Star Trek IV he says the " The needs of tha many outweight

the needs of the few or the one. " But in Star Trek V, when he is

ressurected from the dead, he learns the valuable lesson that " The

needs of one outweight the needs of the many. "

Data (Star Trek: The Next Generation): And android who struggles to

become human, even to the point of installing an emotion chip that

nearly drives him insane.

Odo (Deep Space Nine): Wants to become a " solid. "

Seven of Nine (Star Trek: Voyager): A recovering borg who is having

trouble re-becoming human.

T'Pol (Star Trek: Enterprise): Vulcan female and recovering emotion-

drug addict, wants emotions but can't have them without destroying

herself. (Played by Jolene Blalock, gotta love her!)

I don't know if Aspergers in any way factored into Roddenberry's

life, but I do know that one of his main interest in all the Star

Trek series was to use human solutions to solve complex problems

(which was why we saw a steady decline in violence with each

successive series until he died -the newest one Star Trek:

Enterprise is as violent as the original series).

I also think characters such as Spock, Data, Odo, Seven of Nine, and

T'Pol represent nearly absolute neutrality on the morality spectrum

and all serious moral arguments seem to get bounced off of their

characters (which are always characters of authority -so we are

forced to respect what they have to say) before any action is taken

to resolve complex issues. How they ultimately vote serves as a sort

of compass for us to follow, perhaps, in our own endeavors to find

out what is moral and what isn't.

Tom

> I have a strange theory, that I wanted to present to you guys and

gals now that I feel comfortable here. I think Mr Spock, had

aspergers. Look at his personality, everything had to be logical,

and make sence, He didn't react to stimuli the NT way, and he had to

have complete control of his emotions, to the extremes of not

showing them at all, or when he showed them they were completely out

of control. I wonder if Mr Rodenberry is an aspergers person, or

had one in his life that he emulated Spock after. What do you

think?

> This has been floating around in my head since my son was

diagnosed and has really come to the front of my mind since I was

diagnosed.

> After reading some of the other posts and articles and stuff

around I do belive that Pokemon was invented my aspergers. My son

is obsessed with that and I therefor have to know everything about

the world of Pokemon. Its a perfect world for aspies, if any of you

are game players and haven't checked it out, you might want to, its

a great place to get lost for a couple of hours. In fact I sat in

the hospital playing pokemon while I waited for my mother to die. I

didn't feel comfortable watching TV, and couldn't concentrate enough

to read so I played my sons game for hours and it helped get me

through, the long night, waiting for her last breath. I couldn't

let her die alone.

>

> Anyway I think I've gone off on a long enough tangent, Let me know

> what you think.

>

> Beth

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth and ,

Good observation, Beth!

But is right – it is

more a cultural thing, Vulcans are trained to control their emotions instead of

doing it naturally. He ‘presents’

like an Aspie, though.

Data in Next

Generation is more like an Aspie, since it is natural for him.

Here is a list of

people and fictional characters suspected of being Aspies:

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Stonewall/4502/famousac.html

And yes, Mr. Spock is

listed there.

BTW there are a LOT

more of Jane Austen’s (who was AS herself, of which I was convinced

before I ever read anywhere) characters who were AS, not just the 3 from the “Pride

and Prejudice” novel listed...and even more in P & P that aren’t

listed there. In fact, her novels

are full of Aspies! Actually, most,

though definitely not all, of her

non-AS characters are quite ridiculous or very cruel.

Wendi

Re:

Star trek theory ( just for laughs)

That's

an interesting theory. I was really into Star Trek when I was younger so I know

a bit about this. The Vulcans were for a long time much like Humans, only maybe

more so. They were very emotional and violent, and they nearly ended up wiping

themselves out. A philosoper came along at that time and espoused the logic

idea. The Vulcans originally embraced logic as a means of survival and stayed

with it from there.

Vulcans

still do have emotions, they just keep them repressed. Some episodes did have

Spock slip, or in the Next Generation, when Picard took the emotional load for

Sarek. They warned Picard that Vulcan emotions were more powerful than human

emotions, and they were worried that it might actually kill him. That does

relate somewhat to Asperger's since most of the time I don't really feel

anything, but when emotion does come along it is rather powerful and sometimes

hard to control. Therefore, I try to avoid them as much as possible.

As for

Vulcans being AS, I don't think that is quite right. They are like they are not

so much because of genetics, except maybe for the intelligence, but it is an

imposed philosphy. In the movie where they meet that " Deity " in the

center of the galaxy, the whole matter was predicated by Spock's brother: a

Vulcan who had rejected logic and embraced emotions. So, they might be a kind

of culturally imposed AS, but they aren't really AS since it isn't genetic.

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remember that.

[Guest guest]

Wendi,

Thanks for giving us this link. I am adding it to the links section

and suspect Inger may be able to make use of it for a project she is

contemplating.

Tom,

> Hi Beth and ,

>

> Good observation, Beth! But is right - it is more a

cultural thing, Vulcans are trained to control their emotions

instead of doing it naturally. He 'presents' like an Aspie, though.

>

> Data in Next Generation is more like an Aspie, since it is natural

for him.

>

> Here is a list of people and fictional characters suspected of

being Aspies:

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Stonewall/4502/famousac.html

>

> And yes, Mr. Spock is listed there.

>

> BTW there are a LOT more of Jane Austen's (who was AS herself, of

which I was convinced before I ever read anywhere) characters who

were AS, not just the 3 from the " Pride and Prejudice " novel

listed...and even more in P & P that aren't listed there. In fact,

her novels are full of Aspies! Actually, most, though definitely

not all, of her non-AS characters are quite ridiculous or very

cruel.

>

> Wendi

>

[Guest guest]

Beth, this is a really bizarre syncronicity since there is just now a very long discussion going on at Aspergia Island about Aspies & Vulcans, which seems to have started at around the same time you wrote about this here:

http://www.musicmademe.com/asp/viewtopic.php?t=540

Seems you are not alone in to having made this connection, so your theory is not strange at all! But as for Rodenberry being an Aspie... I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it, it does make sense.

I wonder why it is that us Aspies oftens feel such a natural affinity for SF?

I read a funny theory once, that we may be souls who have come here from the future. That sure is how I've always felt anyway. As if some bizarre time-warp has happened that plunged us all back into the stll relatively primitive 20th/21st century and we have no clue how to interact with the locals or how to relate to all the appalling and illogical customs of this ancient world. Now, what I wanna know is; how do we get back???

:-D Inger

> I have a strange theory, that I wanted to present to you guys and gals now that I feel comfortable here. I think Mr Spock, had aspergers. Look at his personality, everything had to be logical, and make sence, He didn't react to stimuli the NT way, and he had to have complete control of his emotions, to the extremes of not showing them at all, or when he showed them they were completely out of control. I wonder if Mr Rodenberry is an aspergers person, or had one in his life that he emulated Spock after. What do you think?> This has been floating around in my head since my son was diagnosed and has really come to the front of my mind since I was diagnosed. After reading some of the other posts and articles and stuff around I do belive that Pokemon was invented my aspergers. My son is obsessed with that and I therefor have to know everything about the world of Pokemon. Its a perfect world for aspies, if any of you are game players and haven't checked it out, you might want to, its a great place to get lost for a couple of hours. In fact I sat in the hospital playing pokemon while I waited for my mother to die. I didn't feel comfortable watching TV, and couldn't concentrate enough to read so I played my sons game for hours and it helped get me through, the long night, waiting for her last breath. I couldn't let her die alone. > Anyway I think I've gone off on a long enough tangent, Let me know what you think.> BethFAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Always remember that.