Re: Re: TESTOSTERONE, throwing some thoughts on the issue

November 24, 2006

Just some comments regarding the role of testosterone in autism: According to the Geiers (and Amy Yasko) the reason for high testosterone in autistics is due to a broken methylation cycle. More specifically, in non-autistic individuals, the body produces DHEA (an androgen) which can branch off into either DHEAS (favored path) or testosterone. In autistics, this branch is BROKEN. Specifically, DHEA does not become DHEAS and becomes only testosterone. What is the cause of this broken branch? For DHEA to become DHEAS -- this step requires an enzyme called hydroxytransferase. For hydroxytransferase to work, it requires a co-factor called non other that glutathione. Glutathione is inhibited by MERCURY. So if the body has no glutathione (due to mercury), then the enzyme, hydroxytransferase

does not have a needed co-factor and therefore the body produces way too much testosterone. We know from studies and a recent article on CNN that excess testosterone destroys nuerons. For this reason in itself, it is necessary to lower testosterone levels. Testosterone & mercury combined are even more damaging to nuetrons. In addition, it is possible that testosterone and mercury bond in some way to form sheets. When we lower testosterone & chelate, the mercury frees up and hopefully gets chelated out during chelation. Testosterone levels then spike. I agree with all said below EXCEPT the idea the no matter how we lower testosterone levels, the levels always get "raised again". If the methylation cycle is fixed, then testosterone production will be normalized. To "fix" the methylation cycle, we need to both lower testosterone

levels and remove mercury and other heavy metals (chelate). NEED TO GET THE MERCURY OUT. This is NOT easy. In my son's case, he has been on Lupron & chelating for 7 months now. We have had huge gains but he is still not verbal & clearly autistic. Gains include understanding, potty training, riding a tricycle, throwing, catching, and kicking a ball etc. He lost his warts and more. Biochemically, my 5 year old started with a testosterone level of 16 (0-10 range). He dropped to below 10 when starting Lupron, then jumped to 40 in month 5! This shows that although his body stopped producing testosterone, that testosterone was stored and locked in some part of his body (brain). Thanks to chelation and Lupron, the testosterone was freed and Mercury chelated. My boy's blood glutathione level was measured last week to be 883. The range for

glutathione is (800 - 1600) -- he just hit NORMAL! Someone here (Sue) stated that a glutathione patch was doing good. I will try that. I heard previously that such things were useless but I will try it. I think raised testosterone levels may give a hint as to why the older a child gets, the less success stories we hear. As a child gets older, he produces more testosterone. I also believe that those kids (like mine) with high testosterone will not be cured by lowering testosterone & chelating alone. As said above, excessive testosterone & mercury destroy nuerons. Hope for my boy and others are in vitamins, supplements & HBOT. Nuerons will need to be re-wired and regenerated. I have heard this is possible. OK, I have spoken too much already. Hope this was helpful.natasa778

wrote: Hi, just my add in re: raised testosterone levels being an issue inautism as few people have written about it recently:in the course of my reading and research on some other issues (calciumhomeostasis) in autism I have come across a lot of things that point tothe role of sex hormones in autism, ie male to female ratio etc. Alsosome of the cellular/molecular mechanism that are very likely at play inautism seem to be close linked to production of testosterone.So

although this high testosterone level most likely has a negativeinfluence in autism and exagerbates (spelling?) the symptoms, and NOTjust relative to testosterone binding of mercury but affecting otherthings too, including its direct effect on neurons, I have come tobelieve that the raised levels of testosterone are in fact ENDOGENOUS inautism. In other words this extra testosterone is PRODUCED by the bodyas a result of dysregulated cellular mechanisms at play in autism. Andif that is indeed the case that would mean that regardless of if/how welower the testosterone, after a while the levels will be raised againbecause it is still being produced in excessive amounts by the body.Just my two cents.Natasap.s. I am trying to put all these recent 'finds' on paper in a moreclear form, and hoping to have something finished in the next couple ofmonths. will post here as soon as> <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high testosteroneuntil testosterone levels are brough down>>>> - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone levels?Is there a test

or ways of telling?> - What are the different things that help bring the levels down?>> Thank you,>> Millie>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------> Sponsored Link>> Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo.Intro-*Terms>

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November 24, 2006

Just some comments regarding the role of testosterone in autism: According to the Geiers (and Amy Yasko) the reason for high testosterone in autistics is due to a broken methylation cycle. More specifically, in non-autistic individuals, the body produces DHEA (an androgen) which can branch off into either DHEAS (favored path) or testosterone. In autistics, this branch is BROKEN. Specifically, DHEA does not become DHEAS and becomes only testosterone. What is the cause of this broken branch? For DHEA to become DHEAS -- this step requires an enzyme called hydroxytransferase. For hydroxytransferase to work, it requires a co-factor called non other that glutathione. Glutathione is inhibited by MERCURY. So if the body has no glutathione (due to mercury), then the enzyme, hydroxytransferase

does not have a needed co-factor and therefore the body produces way too much testosterone. We know from studies and a recent article on CNN that excess testosterone destroys nuerons. For this reason in itself, it is necessary to lower testosterone levels. Testosterone & mercury combined are even more damaging to nuetrons. In addition, it is possible that testosterone and mercury bond in some way to form sheets. When we lower testosterone & chelate, the mercury frees up and hopefully gets chelated out during chelation. Testosterone levels then spike. I agree with all said below EXCEPT the idea the no matter how we lower testosterone levels, the levels always get "raised again". If the methylation cycle is fixed, then testosterone production will be normalized. To "fix" the methylation cycle, we need to both lower testosterone

levels and remove mercury and other heavy metals (chelate). NEED TO GET THE MERCURY OUT. This is NOT easy. In my son's case, he has been on Lupron & chelating for 7 months now. We have had huge gains but he is still not verbal & clearly autistic. Gains include understanding, potty training, riding a tricycle, throwing, catching, and kicking a ball etc. He lost his warts and more. Biochemically, my 5 year old started with a testosterone level of 16 (0-10 range). He dropped to below 10 when starting Lupron, then jumped to 40 in month 5! This shows that although his body stopped producing testosterone, that testosterone was stored and locked in some part of his body (brain). Thanks to chelation and Lupron, the testosterone was freed and Mercury chelated. My boy's blood glutathione level was measured last week to be 883. The range for

glutathione is (800 - 1600) -- he just hit NORMAL! Someone here (Sue) stated that a glutathione patch was doing good. I will try that. I heard previously that such things were useless but I will try it. I think raised testosterone levels may give a hint as to why the older a child gets, the less success stories we hear. As a child gets older, he produces more testosterone. I also believe that those kids (like mine) with high testosterone will not be cured by lowering testosterone & chelating alone. As said above, excessive testosterone & mercury destroy nuerons. Hope for my boy and others are in vitamins, supplements & HBOT. Nuerons will need to be re-wired and regenerated. I have heard this is possible. OK, I have spoken too much already. Hope this was helpful.natasa778

wrote: Hi, just my add in re: raised testosterone levels being an issue inautism as few people have written about it recently:in the course of my reading and research on some other issues (calciumhomeostasis) in autism I have come across a lot of things that point tothe role of sex hormones in autism, ie male to female ratio etc. Alsosome of the cellular/molecular mechanism that are very likely at play inautism seem to be close linked to production of testosterone.So

although this high testosterone level most likely has a negativeinfluence in autism and exagerbates (spelling?) the symptoms, and NOTjust relative to testosterone binding of mercury but affecting otherthings too, including its direct effect on neurons, I have come tobelieve that the raised levels of testosterone are in fact ENDOGENOUS inautism. In other words this extra testosterone is PRODUCED by the bodyas a result of dysregulated cellular mechanisms at play in autism. Andif that is indeed the case that would mean that regardless of if/how welower the testosterone, after a while the levels will be raised againbecause it is still being produced in excessive amounts by the body.Just my two cents.Natasap.s. I am trying to put all these recent 'finds' on paper in a moreclear form, and hoping to have something finished in the next couple ofmonths. will post here as soon as> <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high testosteroneuntil testosterone levels are brough down>>>> - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone levels?Is there a test

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November 24, 2006

Do not agree with the bandaid thought. Here is my email again in case you missed previous email: Just some comments regarding the role of testosterone in autism: According to the Geiers (and Amy Yasko) the reason for high testosterone in autistics is due to a broken methylation cycle. More specifically, in non-autistic individuals, the body produces DHEA (an androgen) which can branch off into either DHEAS (favored path) or testosterone. In autistics, this branch is BROKEN. Specifically, DHEA does not become DHEAS and becomes only testosterone. What is the cause of this broken branch? For DHEA to become DHEAS -- this step requires an enzyme called hydroxytransferase. For hydroxytransferase to work, it requires a co-factor called non other that glutathione. Glutathione is inhibited by

MERCURY. So if the body has no glutathione (due to mercury), then the enzyme, hydroxytransferase does not have a needed co-factor and therefore the body produces way too much testosterone. We know from studies and a recent article on CNN that excess testosterone destroys nuerons. For this reason in itself, it is necessary to lower testosterone levels. Testosterone & mercury combined are even more damaging to nuetrons. In addition, it is possible that testosterone and mercury bond in some way to form sheets. When we lower testosterone & chelate, the mercury frees up and hopefully gets chelated out during chelation. Testosterone levels then spike. I agree with all said below EXCEPT the idea the no matter how we lower testosterone levels, the levels always get "raised again". If the methylation

cycle is fixed, then testosterone production will be normalized. To "fix" the methylation cycle, we need to both lower testosterone levels and remove mercury and other heavy metals (chelate). NEED TO GET THE MERCURY OUT. This is NOT easy. In my son's case, he has been on Lupron & chelating for 7 months now. We have had huge gains but he is still not verbal & clearly autistic. Gains include understanding, potty training, riding a tricycle, throwing, catching, and kicking a ball etc. He lost his warts and more. Biochemically, my 5 year old started with a testosterone level of 16 (0-10 range). He dropped to below 10 when starting Lupron, then jumped to 40 in month 5! This shows that although his body stopped producing testosterone, that testosterone was stored and locked in some part of his body (brain). Thanks to chelation and Lupron, the

testosterone was freed and Mercury chelated. My boy's blood glutathione level was measured last week to be 883. The range for glutathione is (800 - 1600) -- he just hit NORMAL! Someone here (Sue) stated that a glutathione patch was doing good. I will try that. I heard previously that such things were useless but I will try it. I think raised testosterone levels may give a hint as to why the older a child gets, the less success stories we hear. As a child gets older, he produces more testosterone. I also believe that those kids (like mine) with high testosterone will not be cured by lowering testosterone & chelating alone. As said above, excessive testosterone & mercury destroy nuerons. Hope for my boy and others are in vitamins, supplements & HBOT. Nuerons will need to be re-wired and regenerated. I have heard this is

possible. OK, I have spoken too much already. Hope this was helpful.Gayatri Rampal wrote: Natasa, so in other words Lupron would just be a band aid. I would be very interested in your paper. Thanks again for the CLES baths information, I am beholden to you for that.Gayatri> > <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high testosterone> until testosterone levels are brough down>>> >> > - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone levels?> Is there a test or ways of telling?> > - What are the different

things that help bring the levels down?> >> > Thank you,> >> > Millie> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > Sponsored Link> >> > Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo.> Intro-*Terms> >>

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November 24, 2006

Yes, one blood test is enough. As long as you are not chelating or on any other testosterone-lowering protocals -- your results should be accurate.lrfschr wrote: Is one blood test of testosterone levels reliable as an indicator of chronic excessive testosterone production? Do levels fluctuate throughout the day or is it pretty consistent? Does anyone know?> > > > > <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high> > > testosterone> > > > until testosterone levels are brough down>>> > > > >> > > > > - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone> > > levels?> > > > Is there a test or ways of telling?> > > > > - What are the different things that help bring the levels> > > down?> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > >> > > > > Millie> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

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November 24, 2006

Just some comments regarding the role of testosterone in autism: According to the Geiers (and Amy Yasko) the reason for high testosterone in autistics is due to a broken methylation cycle. More specifically, in non-autistic individuals, the body produces DHEA (an androgen) which can branch off into either DHEAS (favored path) or testosterone. In autistics, this branch is BROKEN. Specifically, DHEA does not become DHEAS and becomes only testosterone. What is the cause of this broken branch? For DHEA to become DHEAS -- this step requires an enzyme called hydroxytransferase. For hydroxytransferase to work, it requires a co-factor called non other that glutathione. Glutathione is inhibited by MERCURY. So if the body has no glutathione (due to mercury), then the enzyme, hydroxytransferase

does not have a needed co-factor and therefore the body produces way too much testosterone. We know from studies and a recent article on CNN that excess testosterone destroys nuerons. For this reason in itself, it is necessary to lower testosterone levels. Testosterone & mercury combined are even more damaging to nuetrons. In addition, it is possible that testosterone and mercury bond in some way to form sheets. When we lower testosterone & chelate, the mercury frees up and hopefully gets chelated out during chelation. Testosterone levels then spike. I agree with all said below EXCEPT the idea the no matter how we lower testosterone levels, the levels always get "raised again". If the methylation cycle is fixed, then testosterone production will be normalized. To "fix" the methylation cycle, we need to both lower testosterone

levels and remove mercury and other heavy metals (chelate). NEED TO GET THE MERCURY OUT. This is NOT easy. In my son's case, he has been on Lupron & chelating for 7 months now. We have had huge gains but he is still not verbal & clearly autistic. Gains include understanding, potty training, riding a tricycle, throwing, catching, and kicking a ball etc. He lost his warts and more. Biochemically, my 5 year old started with a testosterone level of 16 (0-10 range). He dropped to below 10 when starting Lupron, then jumped to 40 in month 5! This shows that although his body stopped producing testosterone, that testosterone was stored and locked in some part of his body (brain). Thanks to chelation and Lupron, the testosterone was freed and Mercury chelated. My boy's blood glutathione level was measured last week to be 883. The range for

glutathione is (800 - 1600) -- he just hit NORMAL! Someone here (Sue) stated that a glutathione patch was doing good. I will try that. I heard previously that such things were useless but I will try it. I think raised testosterone levels may give a hint as to why the older a child gets, the less success stories we hear. As a child gets older, he produces more testosterone. I also believe that those kids (like mine) with high testosterone will not be cured by lowering testosterone & chelating alone. As said above, excessive testosterone & mercury destroy nuerons. Hope for my boy and others are in vitamins, supplements & HBOT. Nuerons will need to be re-wired and regenerated. I have heard this is possible. OK, I have spoken too much already. Hope this was helpful.natasa778

wrote: Hi, just my add in re: raised testosterone levels being an issue inautism as few people have written about it recently:in the course of my reading and research on some other issues (calciumhomeostasis) in autism I have come across a lot of things that point tothe role of sex hormones in autism, ie male to female ratio etc. Alsosome of the cellular/molecular mechanism that are very likely at play inautism seem to be close linked to production of testosterone.So

although this high testosterone level most likely has a negativeinfluence in autism and exagerbates (spelling?) the symptoms, and NOTjust relative to testosterone binding of mercury but affecting otherthings too, including its direct effect on neurons, I have come tobelieve that the raised levels of testosterone are in fact ENDOGENOUS inautism. In other words this extra testosterone is PRODUCED by the bodyas a result of dysregulated cellular mechanisms at play in autism. Andif that is indeed the case that would mean that regardless of if/how welower the testosterone, after a while the levels will be raised againbecause it is still being produced in excessive amounts by the body.Just my two cents.Natasap.s. I am trying to put all these recent 'finds' on paper in a moreclear form, and hoping to have something finished in the next couple ofmonths. will post here as soon as> <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high testosteroneuntil testosterone levels are brough down>>>> - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone levels?Is there a test

or ways of telling?> - What are the different things that help bring the levels down?>> Thank you,>> Millie>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------> Sponsored Link>> Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo.Intro-*Terms>

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November 24, 2006

Mille, With the limited information I have regarding your boy, and knowing that he is 10 y.o. -- closing in on puberty -- really urge you to do something to lower testosterone. If all else will not lower those testosterone numbers, then consider Lupron. Reactions and problems resulting from lowering testosterone happen after puberty age -- especially for girls. Note that ALL of Dr. Geiers patients have improved -- no exceptions. Good luck.mk4201 wrote: As I am only 6 months into biomedical, and like all of us, eager to learn and recover our children,... again I am left scratching my head on all this testosterone stuff.So many double edge swords like Lupron. So many risk/reward type decisions to make... and so many bandaid type fixes. My head spins as I try to figure out what will work for our son. Since he is already 10 yo, the testosterone will be kicking in soon regardless and our window for figuring our his autism puzzle seems microscopic...Thanks for reading all my pondering and thank you for posting and helping me to make more informed decisions. I am grateful for all of you,Millie> >> > Natasa, so in other

words Lupron would just be a band aid. I would> > be very interested in your paper. Thanks again for the CLES baths> > information, I am beholden to you for that.> >> > Gayatri> >

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, I have not followed all your posts but the fact that your daughter is 4 is not a bad thing. My boy is 5 and almost 6 and making progress. Suggest you test for precocious puberty and attack -- then reslove the problem. Good luck.maria bernal wrote: Hi group I also felt a little anxious about starting one intervention too close to the other so I'm so glad

Gayatri mentioned it's OK since we don't have a lot of time. I came home from the psychologist office so depressed because I asked what age group of kids see the biggest growth. She said between 2 & 4yo. My daughter just passed 4. I felt like it was too late for us to see real recovery. I get my hopes built up and down from time to time, however, I won't give up regardless. Natasia, I put baking soda in my daughters Epsom salt bath last night because I thought I read something about it here. I think there are other ingredients as well. Could you possibly re-post for us. Thanks. My daughter is responding to Valtex (day 25), rashes mostly, and emerging gains but she is also stimming a lot more and is even more restless than usual (bed time 2-3am) not hyperactive just can't wind down, could this be testosterone? Thanks group. Virginia Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

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November 24, 2006

If the body has no glutathione you would be dead.

Re: Re: TESTOSTERONE, throwing some thoughts on the issue

Just some comments regarding the role of testosterone in autism:

According to the Geiers (and Amy Yasko) the reason for high testosterone in autistics is due to a broken methylation cycle. More specifically, in non-autistic individuals, the body produces DHEA (an androgen) which can branch off into either DHEAS (favored path) or testosterone.

In autistics, this branch is BROKEN. Specifically, DHEA does not become DHEAS and becomes only testosterone. What is the cause of this broken branch? For DHEA to become DHEAS -- this step requires an enzyme called hydroxytransferase. For hydroxytransferase to work, it requires a co-factor called non other that glutathione. Glutathione is inhibited by MERCURY.

So if the body has no glutathione (due to mercury), then the enzyme, hydroxytransferase does not have a needed co-factor and therefore the body produces way too much testosterone.

We know from studies and a recent article on CNN that excess testosterone destroys nuerons. For this reason in itself, it is necessary to lower testosterone levels. Testosterone & mercury combined are even more damaging to nuetrons.

In addition, it is possible that testosterone and mercury bond in some way to form sheets. When we lower testosterone & chelate, the mercury frees up and hopefully gets chelated out during chelation. Testosterone levels then spike.

I agree with all said below EXCEPT the idea the no matter how we lower testosterone levels, the levels always get "raised again". If the methylation cycle is fixed, then testosterone production will be normalized. To "fix" the methylation cycle, we need to both lower testosterone levels and remove mercury and other heavy metals (chelate). NEED TO GET THE MERCURY OUT. This is NOT easy.

In my son's case, he has been on Lupron & chelating for 7 months now. We have had huge gains but he is still not verbal & clearly autistic. Gains include understanding, potty training, riding a tricycle, throwing, catching, and kicking a ball etc. He lost his warts and more.

Biochemically, my 5 year old started with a testosterone level of 16 (0-10 range). He dropped to below 10 when starting Lupron, then jumped to 40 in month 5! This shows that although his body stopped producing testosterone, that testosterone was stored and locked in some part of his body (brain). Thanks to chelation and Lupron, the testosterone was freed and Mercury chelated. My boy's blood glutathione level was measured last week to be 883. The range for glutathione is (800 - 1600) -- he just hit NORMAL! Someone here (Sue) stated that a glutathione patch was doing good. I will try that. I heard previously that such things were useless but I will try it.

I think raised testosterone levels may give a hint as to why the older a child gets, the less success stories we hear. As a child gets older, he produces more testosterone.

I also believe that those kids (like mine) with high testosterone will not be cured by lowering testosterone & chelating alone. As said above, excessive testosterone & mercury destroy nuerons. Hope for my boy and others are in vitamins, supplements & HBOT. Nuerons will need to be re-wired and regenerated. I have heard this is possible.

OK, I have spoken too much already. Hope this was helpful.natasa778 wrote:

Hi, just my add in re: raised testosterone levels being an issue inautism as few people have written about it recently:in the course of my reading and research on some other issues (calciumhomeostasis) in autism I have come across a lot of things that point tothe role of sex hormones in autism, ie male to female ratio etc. Alsosome of the cellular/molecular mechanism that are very likely at play inautism seem to be close linked to production of testosterone.So although this high testosterone level most likely has a negativeinfluence in autism and exagerbates (spelling?) the symptoms, and NOTjust relative to testosterone binding of mercury but affecting otherthings too, including its direct effect on neurons, I have come tobelieve that the raised levels of testosterone are in fact ENDOGENOUS inautism. In other words this extra testosterone is PRODUCED by the bodyas a result of dysregulated cellular mechanisms at play in autism. Andif that is indeed the case that would mean that regardless of if/how welower the testosterone, after a while the levels will be raised againbecause it is still being produced in excessive amounts by the body.Just my two cents.Natasap.s. I am trying to put all these recent 'finds' on paper in a moreclear form, and hoping to have something finished in the next couple ofmonths. will post here as soon as> <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high testosteroneuntil testosterone levels are brough down>>>> - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone levels?Is there a test or ways of telling?> - What are the different things that help bring the levels down?>> Thank you,>> Millie>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------> Sponsored Link>> Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo.Intro-*Terms>

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November 25, 2006

I did not mean "no glutathione". I meant mercury severly lowers glutathione levels (as was the case with my boy). The verbiage was not correct. Thanks. Cochran wrote: If the body has no glutathione you would be dead. Re: Re: TESTOSTERONE, throwing some thoughts on the issue Just some comments regarding the role of testosterone in autism: According to the Geiers (and Amy Yasko) the reason for high testosterone in autistics is due to a broken methylation cycle. More specifically, in non-autistic individuals, the body produces DHEA (an androgen) which can branch off into either DHEAS (favored path) or

testosterone. In autistics, this branch is BROKEN. Specifically, DHEA does not become DHEAS and becomes only testosterone. What is the cause of this broken branch? For DHEA to become DHEAS -- this step requires an enzyme called hydroxytransferase. For hydroxytransferase to work, it requires a co-factor called non other that glutathione. Glutathione is inhibited by MERCURY. So if the body has no glutathione (due to mercury), then the enzyme, hydroxytransferase does not have a needed co-factor and therefore the body produces way too much testosterone. We know from studies and a recent article on CNN that excess testosterone destroys nuerons. For this reason in itself, it is necessary to lower testosterone levels. Testosterone & mercury combined are even more damaging to nuetrons.

In addition, it is possible that testosterone and mercury bond in some way to form sheets. When we lower testosterone & chelate, the mercury frees up and hopefully gets chelated out during chelation. Testosterone levels then spike. I agree with all said below EXCEPT the idea the no matter how we lower testosterone levels, the levels always get "raised again". If the methylation cycle is fixed, then testosterone production will be normalized. To "fix" the methylation cycle, we need to both lower testosterone levels and remove mercury and other heavy metals (chelate). NEED TO GET THE MERCURY OUT. This is NOT easy. In my son's case, he has been on Lupron & chelating for 7 months now. We have had huge gains but he is still not verbal & clearly autistic. Gains include understanding, potty training, riding a

tricycle, throwing, catching, and kicking a ball etc. He lost his warts and more. Biochemically, my 5 year old started with a testosterone level of 16 (0-10 range). He dropped to below 10 when starting Lupron, then jumped to 40 in month 5! This shows that although his body stopped producing testosterone, that testosterone was stored and locked in some part of his body (brain). Thanks to chelation and Lupron, the testosterone was freed and Mercury chelated. My boy's blood glutathione level was measured last week to be 883. The range for glutathione is (800 - 1600) -- he just hit NORMAL! Someone here (Sue) stated that a glutathione patch was doing good. I will try that. I heard previously that such things were useless but I will try it. I think raised testosterone levels may give a hint as to why the older a child gets, the less success stories we

hear. As a child gets older, he produces more testosterone. I also believe that those kids (like mine) with high testosterone will not be cured by lowering testosterone & chelating alone. As said above, excessive testosterone & mercury destroy nuerons. Hope for my boy and others are in vitamins, supplements & HBOT. Nuerons will need to be re-wired and regenerated. I have heard this is possible. OK, I have spoken too much already. Hope this was helpful.natasa778 <nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi, just my add in re: raised testosterone levels being an issue inautism as few people have written about it recently:in the course of my reading and research on some other issues

(calciumhomeostasis) in autism I have come across a lot of things that point tothe role of sex hormones in autism, ie male to female ratio etc. Alsosome of the cellular/molecular mechanism that are very likely at play inautism seem to be close linked to production of testosterone.So although this high testosterone level most likely has a negativeinfluence in autism and exagerbates (spelling?) the symptoms, and NOTjust relative to testosterone binding of mercury but affecting otherthings too, including its direct effect on neurons, I have come tobelieve that the raised levels of testosterone are in fact ENDOGENOUS inautism. In other words this extra testosterone is PRODUCED by the bodyas a result of dysregulated cellular mechanisms at play in autism. Andif that is indeed the case that would mean that regardless of if/how welower the testosterone, after a while the levels will be raised againbecause it is still

being produced in excessive amounts by the body.Just my two cents.Natasap.s. I am trying to put all these recent 'finds' on paper in a moreclear form, and hoping to have something finished in the next couple ofmonths. will post here as soon as> <<ASD treatments don't seem to work for kids with high testosteroneuntil testosterone levels are brough down>>>> - How would I know if we are dealing with high testosterone levels?Is there a test or ways of telling?> - What are the different things that help bring the levels down?>> Thank you,>> Millie>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------> Sponsored Link>> Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo.Intro-*Terms> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

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November 25, 2006

Abid,

One of the best ways to raise glutathione.....plain old Vitamin C and if tolerated, I would add natural Vitamin E and grape seed extract as these help recycle C which helps recycle glutathione.

Vitamin C stays in the body for only about 2-3 hours, so dose often. We even put Vitamin C in each dose of the chelator we gave.