Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear All - I am very new to Native Traditions and have, just today, received my copy of Nourishing Traditions and, from what I have been able to read so far, understand the concept is to stop eating the vegetarian diet that I have been trying to adhere to and to start eating all the things that my GP has told me not to eat - the thought of good old Roast Beef and Yorkshire pudding gets my taste buds very excited!! I do however, have a very high cholesterol reading, narrowed arteries (1x80 & 1x60 percent), arthritis and a problem with my thyroid which they have yet to diagnose (symptoms suggest underactive, blood tests suggest overactive!!!!?) - I do not want to do anything that will cause these problems to progress further so that I am forced to undergo surgery (I am just about avoiding a heart by-pass at the moment). If I make my Yorkshire Pudding from Spelt flour will this make it 'healthier' than normal white flour? If I start to eat animal fats again, is there a risk that my narrowed arteries will get worse? I know that I am trying to run before I walk here but, I really do want to get on with eating a healthier diet and start to lose weight and gain energy. I cannot remember the last time that I really felt that I had the energy to do all the things that I want to do. It would be very nice to have that energy for a couple of weeks time when we visit our son in Australia and then go on to Bangkok - it would be nice to do things that we have been unable to do for so many years because of my 'bad health'. Any help would be so appreciated. Regards nne - UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Hi Gianine I should have known that I could rely on you to give me a wonderful reply. Can you tell me what chelation therapy is please? I have been told that Kombucha Tea will reverse the narrowing of arteries and am brewing that at the moment, so fingers crossed, I am determined that it will be surgery as a very last resort - I am very hopeful with all this wonderful information and my new found 'cookery book' - I just wish that I could stomach Kefir and then I would be well and truly 'sorted'. However, with the new recipes that I now have to hand, perhaps I can have kefir in that way - I will start that when I return from holiday, prior to that there is just too much to do. Thanks again Gianine. nne > Hi nne, > I too, was a vegetarian for 24 years until my acupuncturist > introduced me to NT last January. I din't have a problem with my > cholesterol - it was about 180 total, HDL (the good cholesterol) was > in the 60's. Since starting NT, my total cholesterol has stayed the > about the same, but my HDL has increased into the 70's! While I do > eat grains, I limit my carbohydrate intake. NT is a big difference > from the usual high carbohydrate, soy laden, vegetarian diet that I > was used to for all those years. I had been diagnosed with Lupus and > my thyroid tests were off (T3 was decreased) and I was overweight. My > joints were aching all of the time and I could hardly get out of bed. > I was considering taking medical leave from my job. I started seeing > an acupuncturist in early January and 2 weeks later I came down with > pneumonia. I started following the dietary guidelines which were > recommended to me and I started crawling to recovery. Since about > June, I have been enjoying very good health. I've lost 20 pounds > since January and am exercising several times a week. I try to limit > my carbohydrate intake to a small amount each day. My joints never > hurt - except when I eat foods that I shouldn't . My thyroid tests > are normal now. I think all of the soy was really messing with my > thyroid - also, I try to only use celtic sea salt, which Sally > suggests in the book. > If you had asked me 2 years ago if I would ever eat meat, I would > have told you " no " . The way I feel today, I will never go back to > being a vegetarian. I am enjoying such good health eating meat and > all this fat which I always thought would be so bad for me. I do have > to give credit to chinese medicine because it has helped me a great > deal, but I know that the medicine without the diet would have not > been anywhere near as helpful. > I firmly believe that the dietary guidelines in NT will help your > health problems. At this point, I don't know if you can reverse the > narrowing of your arteries with diet alone. Hopefully surgery is not > your only option. Do you have access to chelation therapy in the UK? > If you do, I would recommend seeing a chelation doctor so that she/he > can assess whether CT can help. > Wow, I didn't mean to go into all of that! Anyway, I hope this helps. > Gianine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 I checked the web site out and found it very interesting - problem is, when I went in to order the products - they do not ship to the UK only Canada and USA!!! I will email them and find out if there is any way of getting their product here in the UK. Thanks for a very interesting article and I will start on Vit C immediately anyway and also CoQ10 which I have. nne - UK > Here is an article on heart disease that you may find interesting. > > http://cat007.com/pauling.htm > > I have purchased the recommended vitamins but I will not benefit if you > choose to buy them also. > > Judith Alta Kidder > Mission Possible > Southwest Michigan > jaltak@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Hi nne, I too, was a vegetarian for 24 years until my acupuncturist introduced me to NT last January. I din't have a problem with my cholesterol - it was about 180 total, HDL (the good cholesterol) was in the 60's. Since starting NT, my total cholesterol has stayed the about the same, but my HDL has increased into the 70's! While I do eat grains, I limit my carbohydrate intake. NT is a big difference from the usual high carbohydrate, soy laden, vegetarian diet that I was used to for all those years. I had been diagnosed with Lupus and my thyroid tests were off (T3 was decreased) and I was overweight. My joints were aching all of the time and I could hardly get out of bed. I was considering taking medical leave from my job. I started seeing an acupuncturist in early January and 2 weeks later I came down with pneumonia. I started following the dietary guidelines which were recommended to me and I started crawling to recovery. Since about June, I have been enjoying very good health. I've lost 20 pounds since January and am exercising several times a week. I try to limit my carbohydrate intake to a small amount each day. My joints never hurt - except when I eat foods that I shouldn't . My thyroid tests are normal now. I think all of the soy was really messing with my thyroid - also, I try to only use celtic sea salt, which Sally suggests in the book. If you had asked me 2 years ago if I would ever eat meat, I would have told you " no " . The way I feel today, I will never go back to being a vegetarian. I am enjoying such good health eating meat and all this fat which I always thought would be so bad for me. I do have to give credit to chinese medicine because it has helped me a great deal, but I know that the medicine without the diet would have not been anywhere near as helpful. I firmly believe that the dietary guidelines in NT will help your health problems. At this point, I don't know if you can reverse the narrowing of your arteries with diet alone. Hopefully surgery is not your only option. Do you have access to chelation therapy in the UK? If you do, I would recommend seeing a chelation doctor so that she/he can assess whether CT can help. Wow, I didn't mean to go into all of that! Anyway, I hope this helps. Gianine > Dear All - I am very new to Native Traditions and have, just today, received > my copy of Nourishing Traditions and, from what I have been able to read so > far, understand the concept is to stop eating the vegetarian diet that I have > been trying to adhere to and to start eating all the things that my GP has > told me not to eat - the thought of good old Roast Beef and Yorkshire pudding > gets my taste buds very excited!! > > I do however, have a very high cholesterol reading, narrowed arteries (1x80 & > 1x60 percent), arthritis and a problem with my thyroid which they have yet to > diagnose (symptoms suggest underactive, blood tests suggest overactive!!!!?) > - I do not want to do anything that will cause these problems to progress > further so that I am forced to undergo surgery (I am just about avoiding a > heart by-pass at the moment). > > If I make my Yorkshire Pudding from Spelt flour will this make it 'healthier' > than normal white flour? If I start to eat animal fats again, is there a > risk that my narrowed arteries will get worse? > > I know that I am trying to run before I walk here but, I really do want to > get on with eating a healthier diet and start to lose weight and gain energy. > I cannot remember the last time that I really felt that I had the energy to > do all the things that I want to do. It would be very nice to have that > energy for a couple of weeks time when we visit our son in Australia and then > go on to Bangkok - it would be nice to do things that we have been unable to > do for so many years because of my 'bad health'. > > Any help would be so appreciated. > > Regards > nne - UK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Hi nne, Here is an article on heart disease that you may find interesting. http://cat007.com/pauling.htm I have purchased the recommended vitamins but I will not benefit if you choose to buy them also. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- Dear All - I am very new to Native Traditions and have, just today, received my copy of Nourishing Traditions and, from what I have been able to read so far, understand the concept is to stop eating the vegetarian diet that I have been trying to adhere to and to start eating all the things that my GP has told me not to eat - the thought of good old Roast Beef and Yorkshire pudding gets my taste buds very excited!! I do however, have a very high cholesterol reading, narrowed arteries (1x80 & 1x60 percent), arthritis and a problem with my thyroid which they have yet to diagnose (symptoms suggest underactive, blood tests suggest overactive!!!!?) - I do not want to do anything that will cause these problems to progress further so that I am forced to undergo surgery (I am just about avoiding a heart by-pass at the moment). If I make my Yorkshire Pudding from Spelt flour will this make it 'healthier' than normal white flour? If I start to eat animal fats again, is there a risk that my narrowed arteries will get worse? I know that I am trying to run before I walk here but, I really do want to get on with eating a healthier diet and start to lose weight and gain energy. I cannot remember the last time that I really felt that I had the energy to do all the things that I want to do. It would be very nice to have that energy for a couple of weeks time when we visit our son in Australia and then go on to Bangkok - it would be nice to do things that we have been unable to do for so many years because of my 'bad health'. Any help would be so appreciated. Regards nne - UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Try this site. The product is much more expensive, but you should not need to buy an expensive combination product. Just Vitamin C and Lysine. I'll keep looking and see if I can find recommended proportions. http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/ If you really want the Generic Co-op formula email me privately and perhaps we can make a trade. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- From: marianne2406@... [mailto:marianne2406@...] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: High Cholesterol I checked the web site out and found it very interesting - problem is, when I went in to order the products - they do not ship to the UK only Canada and USA!!! I will email them and find out if there is any way of getting their product here in the UK. Thanks for a very interesting article and I will start on Vit C immediately anyway and also CoQ10 which I have. nne - UK > Here is an article on heart disease that you may find interesting. > > http://cat007.com/pauling.htm > > I have purchased the recommended vitamins but I will not benefit if you > choose to buy them also. > > Judith Alta Kidder > Mission Possible > Southwest Michigan > jaltak@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear nne, Have a look at the Cholesterol Myths website at home2.swipnet.se/~w.25775 The whole cholesterol business is a phony issue that herds people into a fatigue-inducing, lowfat, thyroid-depressing diet. Above all, you need to get foods rich in vitamin A and D back into your diet. Your thryoid gland cannot work without vitamin A! Sally Fallon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 The Cholesterol Myths document is now at: http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm It's a great read. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- Dear nne, Have a look at the Cholesterol Myths website at home2.swipnet.se/~w.25775 The whole cholesterol business is a phony issue that herds people into a fatigue-inducing, lowfat, thyroid-depressing diet. Above all, you need to get foods rich in vitamin A and D back into your diet. Your thryoid gland cannot work without vitamin A! Sally Fallon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 In a message dated 7/10/01 03:14:26 GMT Daylight Time, safallon@... writes: Thanks Sally most appreciated - unfortunately I am unable to read whatever language that site is in - English is the only language that I speak. It would not let me into anything but the homepage, so I am assuming that it is all in a foreign language. I will remember that I need a lot more A & D and make sure that I get it in future. nne > Dear nne, > > Have a look at the Cholesterol Myths website at home2.swipnet.se/~w.25775 > > The whole cholesterol business is a phony issue that herds people into a > fatigue-inducing, lowfat, thyroid-depressing diet. > > Above all, you need to get foods rich in vitamin A and D back into your > diet. > Your thryoid gland cannot work without vitamin A! Sally Fallon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 In a message dated 7/10/01 03:44:13 GMT Daylight Time, jaltak@... writes: Thanks Judith have got into that one and it looks very interesting, I will sit and read that when I have time to really digest what it tells me. nne > > > The Cholesterol Myths document is now at: > > http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm > > It's a great read. > > Judith Alta Kidder > Mission Possible > Southwest Michigan > jaltak@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 In a message dated 7/10/01 12:34:53 GMT Daylight Time, jaltak@... writes: Thanks for this site - it looks excellent. I have copied it over to a document and have so far managed to reduce it from 42 pages to 38 but have only got to page 7 with alterations and have not removed any of the text. I shall have to send a copy to my sister who is a nurse and is of the same belief that I have been for so long - high cholesterol is bad for you and you must take medication to reduce it!! I also will no longer be eating a vegetarian diet because it is low far, I was trying to go vegetarian because I do not like the thought that an animal died for my benefit but having read through some of these sites - it looks like I will have to change my views. nne > Here is another good article. Same title, " The Cholesterol Myth, " but > concentrates on the studies that " proved " low-fat was good for us. > > http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm > > The book, written in 1989, is now out of print. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 I stopped eating animals when I lived on a farm way back when I was just 10 years old - I did not eat animals again until I was married and my husband was a carnivour so I had to make meat meals for him. I decided at the beginning of this year that it was quite wrong for me to eat animals and went veggie again (husband as well). Eating organic in the UK is very expensive and also very limiting - not many of them out there just yet so the minority have the market covered and charge what they like. I believe the government are in the throws of doing something about it but don't hold out much hope. I am not sure that raw milk is legal in the UK - not something I have seen anyway. I loved it when on the farm and we used to drink the warm milk before technology had managed to get a grip of it. I would not drink warm milk now and I don't think I would trust it with everything that has happened to our cattle over the last few years. In a message dated 7/10/01 13:49:58 GMT Daylight Time, jaltak@... writes: > From the time the low-fat flak first hit I have said, " I will quit eating > animals when animals quit eating animals. " > > No, I do not like the idea of pumping all that junk into our meat just > because the producers want a larger bottom line. But I also believe, that by > keeping our bodies healthy, according to NT, and optimizing our vitamin and > mineral intake, our bodies can handle the junk that is put into meat. > > I also believe that one should, if possible, eat organic. > > As I was farm-raised raw milk was a staple of our diet. But today in > Michigan if you do not own the cow, or have a very close friend who has a > cow and is willing to share, it is impossible to get raw milk. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Am about to have a read about chelation and will get back to you with what I have read. I have seen 'vitamins' that are to do with chelation whilst looking up for other things on the vitamins sites - will have to check this out thoroughly. Thanks for the info Gianine & Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Here is another good article. Same title, " The Cholesterol Myth, " but concentrates on the studies that " proved " low-fat was good for us. http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm The book, written in 1989, is now out of print. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- Thanks Judith have got into that one and it looks very interesting, I will sit and read that when I have time to really digest what it tells me. nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 From the time the low-fat flak first hit I have said, " I will quit eating animals when animals quit eating animals. " No, I do not like the idea of pumping all that junk into our meat just because the producers want a larger bottom line. But I also believe, that by keeping our bodies healthy, according to NT, and optimizing our vitamin and mineral intake, our bodies can handle the junk that is put into meat. I also believe that one should, if possible, eat organic. As I was farm-raised raw milk was a staple of our diet. But today in Michigan if you do not own the cow, or have a very close friend who has a cow and is willing to share, it is impossible to get raw milk. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- In a message dated 7/10/01 12:34:53 GMT Daylight Time, jaltak@... writes: Thanks for this site - it looks excellent. I have copied it over to a document and have so far managed to reduce it from 42 pages to 38 but have only got to page 7 with alterations and have not removed any of the text. I shall have to send a copy to my sister who is a nurse and is of the same belief that I have been for so long - high cholesterol is bad for you and you must take medication to reduce it!! I also will no longer be eating a vegetarian diet because it is low far, I was trying to go vegetarian because I do not like the thought that an animal died for my benefit but having read through some of these sites - it looks like I will have to change my views. nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 I'm with you, nne. If I did not own the cow almost from birth and know what it was fed, I would not drink raw milk today, either. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- I stopped eating animals when I lived on a farm way back when I was just 10 years old - I did not eat animals again until I was married and my husband was a carnivour so I had to make meat meals for him. I decided at the beginning of this year that it was quite wrong for me to eat animals and went veggie again (husband as well). Eating organic in the UK is very expensive and also very limiting - not many of them out there just yet so the minority have the market covered and charge what they like. I believe the government are in the throws of doing something about it but don't hold out much hope. I am not sure that raw milk is legal in the UK - not something I have seen anyway. I loved it when on the farm and we used to drink the warm milk before technology had managed to get a grip of it. I would not drink warm milk now and I don't think I would trust it with everything that has happened to our cattle over the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Hi nne, I don't know a whole lot about chelation therapy and what it entails exactly. I just know that I have seen info about it over the years touting the effects on coronary artery disease. I know that allopathic medicine does not promote this treatment in the US, as there is controversy about it. See http://www.whale.to/w/Chelation.html for more info on it. I'm sure there is tons of info out there on the web about it if you search. Good luck, Gianine > Hi Gianine > > I should have known that I could rely on you to give me a wonderful reply. > Can you tell me what chelation therapy is please? I have been told that > Kombucha Tea will reverse the narrowing of arteries and am brewing that at > the moment, so fingers crossed, I am determined that it will be surgery as a > very last resort - I am very hopeful with all this wonderful information and > my new found 'cookery book' - I just wish that I could stomach Kefir and then > I would be well and truly 'sorted'. However, with the new recipes that I now > have to hand, perhaps I can have kefir in that way - I will start that when I > return from holiday, prior to that there is just too much to do. > > Thanks again Gianine. > nne > > > > > Hi nne, > > I too, was a vegetarian for 24 years until my acupuncturist > > introduced me to NT last January. I din't have a problem with my > > cholesterol - it was about 180 total, HDL (the good cholesterol) was > > in the 60's. Since starting NT, my total cholesterol has stayed the > > about the same, but my HDL has increased into the 70's! While I do > > eat grains, I limit my carbohydrate intake. NT is a big difference > > from the usual high carbohydrate, soy laden, vegetarian diet that I > > was used to for all those years. I had been diagnosed with Lupus and > > my thyroid tests were off (T3 was decreased) and I was overweight. My > > joints were aching all of the time and I could hardly get out of bed. > > I was considering taking medical leave from my job. I started seeing > > an acupuncturist in early January and 2 weeks later I came down with > > pneumonia. I started following the dietary guidelines which were > > recommended to me and I started crawling to recovery. Since about > > June, I have been enjoying very good health. I've lost 20 pounds > > since January and am exercising several times a week. I try to limit > > my carbohydrate intake to a small amount each day. My joints never > > hurt - except when I eat foods that I shouldn't . My thyroid tests > > are normal now. I think all of the soy was really messing with my > > thyroid - also, I try to only use celtic sea salt, which Sally > > suggests in the book. > > If you had asked me 2 years ago if I would ever eat meat, I would > > have told you " no " . The way I feel today, I will never go back to > > being a vegetarian. I am enjoying such good health eating meat and > > all this fat which I always thought would be so bad for me. I do have > > to give credit to chinese medicine because it has helped me a great > > deal, but I know that the medicine without the diet would have not > > been anywhere near as helpful. > > I firmly believe that the dietary guidelines in NT will help your > > health problems. At this point, I don't know if you can reverse the > > narrowing of your arteries with diet alone. Hopefully surgery is not > > your only option. Do you have access to chelation therapy in the UK? > > If you do, I would recommend seeing a chelation doctor so that she/he > > can assess whether CT can help. > > Wow, I didn't mean to go into all of that! Anyway, I hope this helps. > > Gianine > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 The big problem with chelation therapy is that if it works, and I don't doubt that it does, there is too much money to be lost by the drug and medical establishment for them to promote it. Almost every time an inexpensive treatment with few or no side affects is presented big headlines come out saying how dangerous it is. Take prescription drugs instead! No matter that the drugs will steal your quality of life and probably lead to an early demise. While the vitamin or nutritional therapy will, at it's worst, do nothing, and, at its best, cure the disease with minor or no side effects. The low-carbohydrate diet is a victim of just such establishment abuse. It has never been shown that such a diet will cause any of the problems the establishment accuses it of. Judith Alta Kidder Mission Possible Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- Hi nne, I don't know a whole lot about chelation therapy and what it entails exactly. I just know that I have seen info about it over the years touting the effects on coronary artery disease. I know that allopathic medicine does not promote this treatment in the US, as there is controversy about it. See http://www.whale.to/w/Chelation.html for more info on it. I'm sure there is tons of info out there on the web about it if you search. Good luck, Gianine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Dear nne, Actually, the site is in English. But you have a newer address now. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 You can also get The Cholesterol Myths as a book by ordering from NewTrends Publishing 877-707-1776. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Judith, Have you contacted Wesala, our Detroit chapter. It may not be as hard as you think to get raw milk in MI. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 You can get raw milk in the UK! Go to realmilk.com and click on What's Happening, at the bottom of page 2 is contact info for the UK. His name is Copus and he can help you find raw milk. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 In a message dated 7/10/01 21:25:09 GMT Daylight Time, safallon@... writes: > You can get raw milk in the UK! Go to realmilk.com and click on What's > Happening, at the bottom of page 2 is contact info for the UK. His name is > Copus and he can help you find raw milk. Sally > > Thank you - I never realised this and I am sure that a lot of the Kefir > Group are not aware of it either - I will have to share this. nne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 In a message dated 7/10/01 21:29:36 GMT Daylight Time, safallon@... writes: > You can also get The Cholesterol Myths as a book by ordering from NewTrends > Publishing 877-707-1776. Sally > > I don't know how you remember all of this but I am very grateful that you > do. Thanks. nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 In a message dated 8/10/01 11:16:51 GMT Daylight Time, bobratliff@... writes: How much can we trust anyone? I certainly have no faith in doctors - after over a year of attending at regular intervals, (I was not asked about heredity heart problems and both my mother (72) and grandmother (51) died of heart dis-ease) I was eventually sent for an ECG which showed negative. I was then sent away and told that there was nothing wrong with me. My husband insisted that I see a heart specialist because we were not happy and I was eventually diagnosed - narrowed arteries! I have also been attending a thyroid clinic for 2 years and they still DON'T KNOW what my problem is and I meanwhile, continue to gain weight. Drinking more water just overworks your kidneys and causes other problems we know - but - at the end of the day it is all down to the individual to make their own decision. No matter what other people tell me, it is always what I feel happy doing that counts and, if it makes me FEEL better at the same time, that is a bonus. We are all driven by the hope of achieving better health and eventually that will happen. We all think differently and it is quite often just positive thought that will help us to get better. I for one am very grateful for any assistance that I am given - if it is a web site giving me another alternative to what I have already tried, that is fine by me, at least I know that people out there care and that some of the old values are coming back even if it is the minority. Your views are also valuable because they give me another perspective, so thank you for your input. Long may we all care for others and continue on the road of a natural cure for everything. nne > But you have to remember, they are selling products. How much do you trust a > site that is selling products? More than Doctors? They sell products? If so > why? > > It is one of the largest sites I've seen. All the new naturopaths are > pushing drink more water. I have not found anyone yet that has cured > anything by drinking more water. The book YOUR BODY'S MANY CRIES FOR WATER > is junk. His attitude is everything can be cured by drinking more water and > none of the doctors know what they are doing. JMHO > > Is there anyone on this list or that you know of that has cured an ailment > using products from the above site? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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