Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 hope you are feeling better this week sometimes what looks like a virus is actually old stuff moving out. sometimes what looks like a virus is a virus! anyway even without a disharge or what looks like being sick you can be moving out the old stored by products of foods like meat and cheese. and as these by products move thru the system you may crave those foods. so what to do? you can try to satisfy those cravings with more balanced alternative. there are charts in some macro books for transitional foods to satisfy cravings and longer term ideal options. of course what you choose depends on your health and health goals and situation or you can try a little of the food you actually crave and see if that antidotes it - thought that is a slippery slope! if you are craving more nourishing foods or grounding foods - what you describe as heavier, perhaps look to what you have been eating recently and if it is meeting your needs on all levels - have you been eating mostly lightly cooked veggies and plain rice etc? this may be fine for a time but after a while the spartan macro plate of rice, beans, kale and carrots won't hit the spot! and you will crave richer foods. there is a middle ground and as a beginner it can all seem overwhelming. Of course lightly cooked dishes are necessay but include some longer cooked dishes as well I ate at a very nice asian restaurant last week and had Temple veggies a mix of expotic mushrroms, water chestnuts, tofu, lotus seeds and bamboo shoots steamed for four hours. It was amazing. I felt sooo nourished with much less quantity than I normally eat. It hit the spot and I have been experimenting with some long time clay pot cookng and finding it very nourishing - of course it it now autumn (Fall ) here so that is very apt. other things to consider - you may need more oil, protein - tempeh. bean etc, some whole grain noodles and more thorogh chewing of grains to feel satisfied. make sure you use enought but not too much salt and salty condiments like miso and shoyu in your cooking keep us posted Darlene MacAuley wrote: Continuing to eat this way while my family doesn't has not been easy. I was sick with a virus last week and it has been even less easy eating mb when I was sick as a dog. I was feeling very weak and emotional over the last week, and yesterday having some salmon really helped provide some strength I've been needing. I guess the good thing is that I've had no issues craving sweets lately, but I'm been craving cheese something bad, lately, and even meat! What do others do when craving heavier food? Thanks! Darlene -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 > Continuing to eat this way while my family doesn't has not been easy. I find it easier not to cheat when my family is watching. Especially my elder son is like a hawk when it comes to spotting things that contain animal products. He keeps reminding me that chocolate has milk in it, and I can't eat that because it's not vegan. So I don't want to disappoint them or give the impression that eating the way I chose is not satisfying after all. I'm been craving cheese something bad, lately, and even > meat! What do others do when craving heavier food? If I find myself craving cheese, I have maybe a teaspoon of grated parmesan on pasta. Then I am reminded how I detest that taste now, and that it actually was the salt I was craving. A block or slice of cheese is not even appealing to me anymore, looks like a piece of salty lard to me. The meat does nothing to me anymore, not even seafood. I look at it and see where it came from. That quickly kills any fond feelings I might have had for it. I was watching this cooking show last night. The guy was preparing a lobster bake. He was piling live lobsters into a huge pot, petting them and commenting on how special they are. Then he covered them with seaweed, potatoes, corn - and then I had to switch the channel. It was like watching an execution. Sorry, that was not macro, but it really upset me. ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Glad you came here for support. It can be so difficult to maintain ANY dietary changes without everyone around you do the same. Be proud of yourself for continuing. I think you're probably discharging. I was told that when you crave certain things it's b/c your body is eliminating them from your body. Anyone else have a comment on that? It's amazing how long bad junk stays in our body isn't it? what is it 2 weeks to d/c a tsp of sugar? there is a cheese you can make by packing miso on tofu? and let it soak up for around a week. my brain is fried, can someone else help me out here? LOL Good luck and I'm sure others will have other things to say. Reg > > Continuing to eat this way while my family doesn't has not been easy. I was > sick with a virus last week and it has been even less easy eating mb when I > was sick as a dog. I was feeling very weak and emotional over the last week, > and yesterday having some salmon really helped provide some strength I've > been needing. I guess the good thing is that I've had no issues craving > sweets lately, but I'm been craving cheese something bad, lately, and even > meat! What do others do when craving heavier food? > > Thanks! > > Darlene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 ne, I quite appreciate your rant and feel you this is a VEGAN macro group and your comment was vegan. Thanks for sharing tho it reminds me yet again how terribly sad it is and how so many people contribute to the slaughter of millions of animals simply for a meal. Reg > > > > Continuing to eat this way while my family doesn't has not been easy. > > I find it easier not to cheat when my family is watching. Especially > my elder son is like a hawk when it comes to spotting things that > contain animal products. He keeps reminding me that chocolate has milk > in it, and I can't eat that because it's not vegan. So I don't want to > disappoint them or give the impression that eating the way I chose is > not satisfying after all. > > I'm been craving cheese something bad, lately, and even > > meat! What do others do when craving heavier food? > > If I find myself craving cheese, I have maybe a teaspoon of grated > parmesan on pasta. Then I am reminded how I detest that taste now, and > that it actually was the salt I was craving. A block or slice of > cheese is not even appealing to me anymore, looks like a piece of > salty lard to me. The meat does nothing to me anymore, not even > seafood. I look at it and see where it came from. That quickly kills > any fond feelings I might have had for it. > > I was watching this cooking show last night. The guy was preparing a > lobster bake. He was piling live lobsters into a huge pot, petting > them and commenting on how special they are. Then he covered them with > seaweed, potatoes, corn - and then I had to switch the channel. It was > like watching an execution. > > Sorry, that was not macro, but it really upset me. > > ne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Thanks for the support, ladies. I apologize if I gross people out from talking about eating fish... I have a tough time cooking for the family because of the meat, and having to work with it grosses me out now. My husband has talked about going back on Atkins and I've asked him to try to find another " diet. " He will never go macro; the food is too strange for him. I know I'm probably detoxing some, but there was definitely some kind of virus making the rounds at my house because my kids both got it. I wish the mb restaurant in town was closer to me. That has been helpful for me to get back on track. I just have to get cooking. Going to fix a pot of nishime now. Thanks everyone! Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 If you add more water then it should make it sticky or add a bit of sweet brown rice in it. You can also mix grains which I never thought of before silly me till I had my consult with Verne. He gave me a list of grains which mix well together, I think they're in his book too. So if your husband gained weight again after trying to eat a 'regular' diet didn't he realize the diet was just another fad? Hey, if he said he'll give it a shot if you're on it for a year that is WONDERFUL. Keep up the good work, come here for support, lean on us and before you know it a year will have passed. Where do you live again? Great that your son is liking your food. Keep up the good work be proud of yourself. Reg > > He kept the weight off for probably a year and a half, and started gaining > again when he re-introduced carbs. I've been off of red meat and poultry > since January. DH did say that if I'm still eating this way after a year > maybe he'll try it too. > > He knows about needing to work out more, and he's been trying. We own our > own business and it's our life with little time for anything else but sleep, > it seems. > > If I could just get him to eat brown rice, I think it would start something. > I need a pressure cooker; it's the only way I've tried brown rice that makes > it sticky. He doesn't like brown rice because of the dry texture. > > At least my 4 yo is enjoying some of what I eat. My son is a crunchy carb > and sweets maniac. At least he eats fruit... > > One of these days... > > Darlene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 sometimes unrefined sea salt can help when people gain wieght from carbs. I am also going to post that thyroid and iodine article soon purpleveg wrote: If you add more water then it should make it sticky or add a bit of sweet brown rice in it. You can also mix grains which I never thought of before silly me till I had my consult with Verne. He gave me a list of grains which mix well together, I think they're in his book too. So if your husband gained weight again after trying to eat a 'regular' diet didn't he realize the diet was just another fad? Hey, if he said he'll give it a shot if you're on it for a year that is WONDERFUL. Keep up the good work, come here for support, lean on us and before you know it a year will have passed. Where do you live again? Great that your son is liking your food. Keep up the good work be proud of yourself. Reg > > He kept the weight off for probably a year and a half, and started gaining > again when he re-introduced carbs. I've been off of red meat and poultry > since January. DH did say that if I'm still eating this way after a year > maybe he'll try it too. > > He knows about needing to work out more, and he's been trying. We own our > own business and it's our life with little time for anything else but sleep, > it seems. > > If I could just get him to eat brown rice, I think it would start something. > I need a pressure cooker; it's the only way I've tried brown rice that makes > it sticky. He doesn't like brown rice because of the dry texture. > > At least my 4 yo is enjoying some of what I eat. My son is a crunchy carb > and sweets maniac. At least he eats fruit... > > One of these days... > > Darlene > -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Ilanit, I've thought a lot about what Denny Waxman wrote in that newsletter. It kind of bugged me....kind of offended me! My thoughts here are not a criticism of your message, but rather a stream of consciousness open for comment. I'd love to be at a place where there is no excess in my diet and going to the gym wasn't necessary from a point of view of maintaining physical fitness. A lot of my thinking about exercise being neccesary and beneficial perhaps comes from things deep inside of me... like a fear of being FAT! That goes way way back to early childhood stuff.... He says that working out is unnatural, but then so is driving my car hurtling around at 60 mph, and flying in airplanes, and and sitting at a computer all day.... I work in front of a computer now for about 6 hrs/day, and later, working out makes the balance. Of course, I'd rather be gardening, and doing yoga, and going hiking, and all those more natural things (that I do when I can), but I'm faced with the reality of earning enough to pay the bills. And then I think that not all of us are created equal.... if we have different " doshas " some of us are prone towards sluggishness. Exercising (I like Turbo Kick Boxing) relieves a lot of stress I feel from day-to-day and improves my mood immensely. Some people can go hours and hours without eating, but I'm not one of those people due to hypoglycemia issues. Eating less has been something I have to PRACTICE!! It's not easy! I feel uncomfortable being hungry... That statement in his newsletter came across somewhat judgmental and critical to me. I've been thinking about it a lot....as though he was speaking directly to ME! I know I have certain food addictions, so maybe he's right about excess, but still... What do others have to say??!! I'd love to hear other people's ideas. Maybe my consciousness is too rigid on this! Hope everyone had a good weekend, > > > He kept the weight off for probably a year and a half, and started > > gaining again when he re-introduced carbs. I've been off of red meat > > and poultry since January. DH did say that if I'm still eating this > > way after a year maybe he'll try it too. > > > > He knows about needing to work out more, and he's been trying. We own > > our own business and it's our life with little time for anything else > > but sleep, it seems. > > > I read an interesting thing in Denny Waxman's webpage about the myth of > needing to work out. that when we are not consuming excess then this > need is minimised...interesting > > the body scrub is a good thing to help with discharging and getting chi > moving > > > > > If I could just get him to eat brown rice, > > > if he has been eating a lot of animla foods thenbrown rice is the last > thing he will want. It is very yang. My dad who eats meat and cheese > does not like grains or cooked veg but liked raw veg and fruit and > juice. It is about balance > > instead of focusing on rice - I would tempt him with vegtable creations > - cooked, salads, anything - that will start the balance process esp now > it is spring where you are... > > > I think it would start something. I need a pressure cooker; it's the > > only way I've tried brown rice that makes it sticky. > > > a PC is great - check out the variety at > www.cybcermacro.com > my uncle and aunt just got one from thee and are very happy with it. > I like the Silit ones with the special Silargen material but there is a > whole selection there for all budgets and applications > > > He doesn't like brown rice because of the dry texture. > > > in the meantime you can still make rice that is tasty - use a heavy pot > if you have one. with a heavy lid - if not a tight fitting lid. Wash and > soak the rice - that really helps and use enought water and cook it at > least 50 minutes with 1/8 tsp of unrefined sea salt per cup or uncooked > grain. > > > > > At least my 4 yo is enjoying some of what I eat. My son is a crunchy > > carb and sweets maniac. At least he eats fruit... > > > > One of these days... > > > > Darlene > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 , I'm really super confused. I think I missed something. This email is from Darlene and not Ilanit and I don't see an entire post of the newletter from Denny. Also are you saying the newletter is literally written about you? If it's not really written about you but you are one that is feeling sensitive and attacked, I'm sorry for your pain but in reality you have to remember that there are SO MANY opinions out there. Hey even in this post from Darlene she talks about how her husband thinks the Atkins diet is so wonderful. Yet you KNOW that is not true. We have so much in life to worry about, we really shouldn't worry about what others say and think. BUT, if he WAS personally attacking you, what is wrong with him? I'm sorry if he's done that and hurt you. Is there a way you can confront him on this? Tell him how you feel? Reggie > > > > > He kept the weight off for probably a year and a half, and > started > > > gaining again when he re-introduced carbs. I've been off of red > meat > > > and poultry since January. DH did say that if I'm still eating > this > > > way after a year maybe he'll try it too. > > > > > > He knows about needing to work out more, and he's been trying. We > own > > > our own business and it's our life with little time for anything > else > > > but sleep, it seems. > > > > > > I read an interesting thing in Denny Waxman's webpage about the > myth of > > needing to work out. that when we are not consuming excess then > this > > need is minimised...interesting > > > > the body scrub is a good thing to help with discharging and getting > chi > > moving > > > > > > > > If I could just get him to eat brown rice, > > > > > > if he has been eating a lot of animla foods thenbrown rice is the > last > > thing he will want. It is very yang. My dad who eats meat and > cheese > > does not like grains or cooked veg but liked raw veg and fruit and > > juice. It is about balance > > > > instead of focusing on rice - I would tempt him with vegtable > creations > > - cooked, salads, anything - that will start the balance process > esp now > > it is spring where you are... > > > > > I think it would start something. I need a pressure cooker; it's > the > > > only way I've tried brown rice that makes it sticky. > > > > > > a PC is great - check out the variety at > > www.cybcermacro.com > > my uncle and aunt just got one from thee and are very happy with it. > > I like the Silit ones with the special Silargen material but there > is a > > whole selection there for all budgets and applications > > > > > He doesn't like brown rice because of the dry texture. > > > > > > in the meantime you can still make rice that is tasty - use a heavy > pot > > if you have one. with a heavy lid - if not a tight fitting lid. > Wash and > > soak the rice - that really helps and use enought water and cook it > at > > least 50 minutes with 1/8 tsp of unrefined sea salt per cup or > uncooked > > grain. > > > > > > > > At least my 4 yo is enjoying some of what I eat. My son is a > crunchy > > > carb and sweets maniac. At least he eats fruit... > > > > > > One of these days... > > > > > > Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Hi Reggie, No, it wasn't personally written to me, but I just read it as thought it was.... because I love to exercise so I felt defensive. Ilanit was the one who replied to Darlene's message and she happened to mention that in the post. When she mentioned that my feelings flared up! Gotta figure that out. Hope you're well. Thanks for your kindness! > > > > > > > He kept the weight off for probably a year and a half, and > > started > > > > gaining again when he re-introduced carbs. I've been off of > red > > meat > > > > and poultry since January. DH did say that if I'm still eating > > this > > > > way after a year maybe he'll try it too. > > > > > > > > He knows about needing to work out more, and he's been trying. > We > > own > > > > our own business and it's our life with little time for > anything > > else > > > > but sleep, it seems. > > > > > > > > > I read an interesting thing in Denny Waxman's webpage about the > > myth of > > > needing to work out. that when we are not consuming excess then > > this > > > need is minimised...interesting > > > > > > the body scrub is a good thing to help with discharging and > getting > > chi > > > moving > > > > > > > > > > > If I could just get him to eat brown rice, > > > > > > > > > if he has been eating a lot of animla foods thenbrown rice is > the > > last > > > thing he will want. It is very yang. My dad who eats meat and > > cheese > > > does not like grains or cooked veg but liked raw veg and fruit > and > > > juice. It is about balance > > > > > > instead of focusing on rice - I would tempt him with vegtable > > creations > > > - cooked, salads, anything - that will start the balance process > > esp now > > > it is spring where you are... > > > > > > > I think it would start something. I need a pressure cooker; > it's > > the > > > > only way I've tried brown rice that makes it sticky. > > > > > > > > > a PC is great - check out the variety at > > > www.cybcermacro.com > > > my uncle and aunt just got one from thee and are very happy with > it. > > > I like the Silit ones with the special Silargen material but > there > > is a > > > whole selection there for all budgets and applications > > > > > > > He doesn't like brown rice because of the dry texture. > > > > > > > > > in the meantime you can still make rice that is tasty - use a > heavy > > pot > > > if you have one. with a heavy lid - if not a tight fitting lid. > > Wash and > > > soak the rice - that really helps and use enought water and cook > it > > at > > > least 50 minutes with 1/8 tsp of unrefined sea salt per cup or > > uncooked > > > grain. > > > > > > > > > > > At least my 4 yo is enjoying some of what I eat. My son is a > > crunchy > > > > carb and sweets maniac. At least he eats fruit... > > > > > > > > One of these days... > > > > > > > > Darlene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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