RE: Re :Raw milk...

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If your child tests positive for eos titers, meaning allergy to dairy and wheat, wouldn't milk in any form be a no-no? cat Cochran wrote: Thanks, Jen, really bad at the link thing. Re :Raw milk Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org Jen In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes: Yes, agree that our

experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think. __________________________________________________

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Cat

I have a different take on allergies and I'll try to explain it. Our kids have so many allergies due to the inability of their livers to process out histamine. The same histamine levels are found in the blood of healthy individuals---the difference is their livers are able to process/eliminate it. Case in point is that many times I have heard of people getting IgG food allergy testing, removing the offending foods and then finding that over time the child develops allergies to the new foods---the allergies just shift---the food is not the problem. There are many supplements that can help, but it takes time.

Certainly I am not suggesting that any child with an anaphylactic reaction be given an offending food and any food the child tests as highly or moderately allergic to should be temporarily withdrawn to allow time for the liver to improve, but allergies need not be permanent. In the beginning ours tested as allergic to bleached flour and red dye, both of which she has today without reaction. We did not withdraw them as the reactions were not severe. But with supplementation and chelation the food allergies left, this is not unusual and I consider it part of recovery, that is the ability to eat any food, in moderation without the production of an allergy.

Certainly you can live without milk and wheat but diets are a nuisance and kids eventually get to the point where they would rather just eat what their friends eat. This is not mainstream, many may disagree, it's only my opinion, but it's worked well for us. Many children, different roads to the goal.

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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, How did you treat the allergies? Thank you, Jody Cochran wrote: Cat I have a different take on allergies and I'll try to explain it. Our kids have so many

allergies due to the inability of their livers to process out histamine. The same histamine levels are found in the blood of healthy individuals---the difference is their livers are able to process/eliminate it. Case in point is that many times I have heard of people getting IgG food allergy testing, removing the offending foods and then finding that over time the child develops allergies to the new foods---the allergies just shift---the food is not the problem. There are many supplements that can help, but it takes time. Certainly I am not suggesting that any child with an anaphylactic reaction be given an offending food and any food the child tests as highly or moderately allergic to should be temporarily withdrawn to allow time for the liver to improve, but allergies need not be permanent. In the beginning ours tested as allergic to

bleached flour and red dye, both of which she has today without reaction. We did not withdraw them as the reactions were not severe. But with supplementation and chelation the food allergies left, this is not unusual and I consider it part of recovery, that is the ability to eat any food, in moderation without the production of an allergy. Certainly you can live without milk and wheat but diets are a nuisance and kids eventually get to the point where they would rather just eat what their friends eat. This is not mainstream, many may disagree, it's only my opinion, but it's worked well for us. Many children, different roads to the goal. Re :Raw milk Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org Jen In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes: Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think. __________________________________________________

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I'm sorry, Cat asked me this the other day and I got busy and forgot to answer.

The best advice I can give you is to get your hands on two books by a woman nutrionist named Adelle . Ms. actually worked with Bernard Rimland in the first ever trial of nutritional testing with B6 and magnesium done with autistic kids.

She has two books that are valuable. The first called "Let's Get Well" and another "Let's Have Healthy Children". You really need both as in the first she breaks down the various organs of the body and tells what is helpful in making each healthy.

Although Ms. wrote in the 1960's she was the first to try to becry the upcoming epidemic of ASD kids and she was also one of the first who warned for expectant mothers to take folic acid to prevent birth defects, clearly a woman ahead of her time. Many other things she wrote in the book you will notice have come true or been adopted by mainstream medicine.

If you can't find these books in print, try your local library where I had to look for one and copy it, it's worth it.

There aren't any shortcuts to this I am afraid, to curing one of allergies; but basically you need to strengthen the liver, heal the adrenals and make sure the system is impervious to the allergens in the blood. E, C, A and phosphatidylcholine or what she calls lecithin is important for the liver. C, the B vitamins and lots of pantothenic acid among many other supplements are important for allergies.

That's it, in short, but get the books to get the full picture. I use them religiously. They are also useful in explaining how the various organ systems work in the body so you can figure out if you have a problem, just what things work to fix the problem.

Good luck,

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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[Guest guest]

Something else helpful is to find the symptoms somewhere/anywhere of what is likely to produce either fast/slow phase I and phase II liver enzymes and try to figure out which your kid is.

I made the mistake of using milk thistle with a kid who had a fast phase I liver and that was a mistake, it can actually increase allergic sensitivity to things.

Andy Cutler, PhD has a good book that includes these: called "Amalgam Illness", very useful.

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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Can you please explain how you would know if your child has a fast phase 1 liver? thanks, lisa

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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Hi,

I just saw the milk comments. I am in the process of trying to find raw goats milk for our son as everything I have read shows that goats milk (raw or pasteurized) is way less allergenic than cows. I have given our son 1 teaspoon at a time for a few days to test for reactions and he had none with pasteurized non homogenized organic goats milk. It is very expensive and hard to find where we live but I am going to try raw goats milk also (since raw has live enzymes and pasteurized has none or very few) . Anyone hear of any bacterial contaminations lately with raw milk? That's actually my only hesitation. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of CochranSent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:10 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re :Raw milk...

Something else helpful is to find the symptoms somewhere/anywhere of what is likely to produce either fast/slow phase I and phase II liver enzymes and try to figure out which your kid is.

I made the mistake of using milk thistle with a kid who had a fast phase I liver and that was a mistake, it can actually increase allergic sensitivity to things.

Andy Cutler, PhD has a good book that includes these: called "Amalgam Illness", very useful.

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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[Guest guest]

The only caveat with goat's milk is that it is absent of folic acid so be sure to supplement it. If you find a responsible supplier of goat milk ask them what they do to cut the risk of contamination. Also read up on what is required and compare to what they report, and then see for yourself.

My dh grew up on a farm, drank raw milk for most of his life as did most of our grandparents and they lived, the possibility of contamination with raw milk is low if proper precautions are taken just like anything else. We are in Ohio, Amish country where the Amish would never ever think of using anything beside raw milk for their kids. They go to our schools and because of this and the fact that they are not vaccinated, they are the healthiest children I have ever seen.

Good luck,

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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[Guest guest]

Just another fyi on goats milk. I have read multiple places that raw goats milk also has antimicrobial properties and in one particular study on babies it digested in 20 minutes as opposed to 8 hours for cows milk due to smaller protein structure. It supposedly also alkalizes the digestive tract. Just more info that I read recently. Use it as you wish.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of CochranSent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:10 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re :Raw milk...

Something else helpful is to find the symptoms somewhere/anywhere of what is likely to produce either fast/slow phase I and phase II liver enzymes and try to figure out which your kid is.

I made the mistake of using milk thistle with a kid who had a fast phase I liver and that was a mistake, it can actually increase allergic sensitivity to things.

Andy Cutler, PhD has a good book that includes these: called "Amalgam Illness", very useful.

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Phase I and II work together, often it isn't necessary to figure this out, but it's helpful. Also helpful is knowing which supplements speed up and slow down each phase to avoid supplements that might cause problems i.e. the example I provided with the milk thistle that speeds up phase I given to a child with fast phase I.

Basically people with fast phase I and slow phase II will be sensitive to chemicals. People with slow phase I will have trouble with artificial coloring and flavorings.

There is also testing that can be done to confirm or you can take the time to look for behaviors that will allow you to see which is which.

I didn't expect this to generate as much interest as it did so in keeping with the topic on this group of methyl b12, please feel free to contact me offline if anyone has any further questions. I don't want to impose on Stan's good graces in continuing this OT subject.

Re :Raw milk

Thats www.realmilk.com Or www.westonaprice.org

Jen

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex writes:

Yes, agree that our experience is unusual and that a LOT of kids benefit from the elimination of milk. I would agree to disagree with Stan that any milk is bad-- raw, grass fed cows produce milk with lots of enzymes that enable complete digestion, in addition to superior nutrition that is hard to replace with supplementation.You can read more for yourself at www.rawmilk.com, I think.

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[Guest guest]

What if your child has sensitivities to

chemicals and food colorings (not as much with artificial flavoring although we

avoid them anyway)? My son has many food and environmental allergies and

raised liver enzymes. We have been using Milk Thistle for a year and at 1st,

it was the best supplement we had. But it’s not cutting it

anymore. Do they recommend phosphatidylcholine instead of milk thistle or

in combination with? Sorry for so many questions I just caught this

thread. Thanks,

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Cochran

Phase I and II work together, often it isn't

necessary to figure this out, but it's helpful. Also helpful is knowing which

supplements speed up and slow down each phase to avoid supplements that might

cause problems i.e. the example I provided with the milk thistle that speeds up

phase I given to a child with fast phase I.

Basically people with fast phase I and slow

phase II will be sensitive to chemicals. People with slow phase I will have

trouble with artificial coloring and flavorings.

There is also testing that can be done to

confirm or you can take the time to look for behaviors that will allow you to

see which is which.

I didn't expect this to generate as much interest

as it did so in keeping with the topic on this group of methyl b12, please feel

free to contact me offline if anyone has any further questions. I don't want to

impose on Stan's good graces in continuing this OT subject.

Re:

Re :Raw milk...

I'm sorry, Cat asked me this the other day

and I got busy and forgot to answer.

The best advice I can give you is to get

your hands on two books by a woman nutrionist named Adelle . Ms.

actually worked with Bernard Rimland in the first ever trial of nutritional

testing with B6 and magnesium done with autistic kids.

She has two books that are valuable. The

first called " Let's Get Well " and another " Let's Have Healthy

Children " . You really need both as in the first she breaks down the

various organs of the body and tells what is helpful in making each healthy.

Although Ms. wrote in the 1960's she

was the first to try to becry the upcoming epidemic of ASD kids and she was also

one of the first who warned for expectant mothers to take folic acid to prevent

birth defects, clearly a woman ahead of her time. Many other things she wrote

in the book you will notice have come true or been adopted by mainstream

medicine.

If you can't find these books in print, try

your local library where I had to look for one and copy it, it's worth it.

There aren't any shortcuts to this I am

afraid, to curing one of allergies; but basically you need to strengthen the

liver, heal the adrenals and make sure the system is impervious to the

allergens in the blood. E, C, A and phosphatidylcholine or what she calls

lecithin is important for the liver. C, the B vitamins and lots of

pantothenic acid among many other supplements are important for allergies.

That's it, in short, but get the books to

get the full picture. I use them religiously. They are also useful in

explaining how the various organ systems work in the body so you can figure out

if you have a problem, just what things work to fix the problem.

Good luck,

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, they do, this was the mistake we made, the milk thistle or something else did bring her liver values to normal range but it also speeds up phase I, and we were using a lot of milk thistle (250 mgs), sped it up too much and increased sensitivity to allergies. Phosphatidylcholine does not speed up either phase and is good for the liver, although unpalatable. It can be put in smoothies and appears to be able to be covered up there.

Also, the avoidance of hydrogenated anything is critical for people who are sensitive to chemicals and food colorings.

There is lots of phosphatidylcholine or lecithin in eggs, but many of our kids, not ours, is allergic to eggs. We got the phosphatidylcholine powder at

www.liverfriend.com I think. We put them first in fruit smoothies and then finally put them in capsules and taught her to swallow them. Interestingly, phosphycholine also aids digestion and is instrumental in helping absorb Vitamin A, so good for other things.

You don't have to give them a lot, we use just 1/4 tsp a day, twice a day, and it is soy based although there is an egg based phosphycholine for those kids who should avoid soy. It's worth the effort to get it into them.

Re: Re :Raw milk...

I'm sorry, Cat asked me this the other day and I got busy and forgot to answer.

The best advice I can give you is to get your hands on two books by a woman nutrionist named Adelle . Ms. actually worked with Bernard Rimland in the first ever trial of nutritional testing with B6 and magnesium done with autistic kids.

She has two books that are valuable. The first called "Let's Get Well" and another "Let's Have Healthy Children". You really need both as in the first she breaks down the various organs of the body and tells what is helpful in making each healthy.

Although Ms. wrote in the 1960's she was the first to try to becry the upcoming epidemic of ASD kids and she was also one of the first who warned for expectant mothers to take folic acid to prevent birth defects, clearly a woman ahead of her time. Many other things she wrote in the book you will notice have come true or been adopted by mainstream medicine.

If you can't find these books in print, try your local library where I had to look for one and copy it, it's worth it.

There aren't any shortcuts to this I am afraid, to curing one of allergies; but basically you need to strengthen the liver, heal the adrenals and make sure the system is impervious to the allergens in the blood. E, C, A and phosphatidylcholine or what she calls lecithin is important for the liver. C, the B vitamins and lots of pantothenic acid among many other supplements are important for allergies.

That's it, in short, but get the books to get the full picture. I use them religiously. They are also useful in explaining how the various organ systems work in the body so you can figure out if you have a problem, just what things work to fix the problem.

Good luck,

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mb12 valtrex

[Guest guest]

Thank you ,

     He has been off of eggs because of

allergies to them since he was 2 ½ (7yrs now) so I couldn’t go that

route.  I think the soy based is what has held me off of phosphatidylcholine

but he has never had big reactions to soy, none really.  Just trying to avoid

too much because of the recommendations of DR JM and others.  But the liver

really needs to be dealt with so I’ll give it a whirl.  Thanks,     

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Cochran

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007

10:11 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re :Raw

milk...

,

Yes, they do, this was the mistake we made,

the milk thistle or something else did bring her liver values to normal range

but it also speeds up phase I, and we were using a lot of milk thistle

(250 mgs), sped it up too much and increased sensitivity to allergies.

Phosphatidylcholine does not speed up either phase and is good for the liver,

although unpalatable. It can be put in smoothies and appears to be able to be

covered up there.

Also, the avoidance of hydrogenated anything

is critical for people who are sensitive to chemicals and food colorings.

There is lots of phosphatidylcholine or

lecithin in eggs, but many of our kids, not ours, is allergic to eggs. We got

the phosphatidylcholine powder at

www.liverfriend.com I

think. We put them first in fruit smoothies and then finally put them in

capsules and taught her to swallow them. Interestingly, phosphycholine

also aids digestion and is instrumental in helping absorb Vitamin A, so good

for other things.

You don't have to give them a lot, we use

just 1/4 tsp a day, twice a day, and it is soy based although there is an egg

based phosphycholine for those kids who should avoid soy. It's worth the effort

to get it into them.

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<<Anyone hear ofany bacterial contaminations lately with raw milk? That's actually my onlyhesitation. Just my 2 cents.Thanks>>

We have been using raw cow and goat milk for almost one year here with absolutely no problems. I make kefir with it as per DAN. At first I was horrified at the thought of letting raw milk sit on the counter unrefrigerated for 24hours while making the kefir, but our DAN doc assured us that it was very safe.

(our ASD) child drinks a small glass per day of the kefir as part of his probiotics. I did try the raw milk also with him, to which he did not react, but I just felt safer with the cultured milk kefir. It's a great probiotic and I think it is good for him.

The other kids in the house do drink the raw milk and I have used it in coffee with no problems. Our coop has literally hundreds of families that buy and use it daily. It is also delicious.

millie