Re: - cleansing

[Guest guest]

Hi, -- I just wanted to make a quick mention in case you hadn't run

into the

arguments against these theories below... the toxin/waste stuff tends be a

trendy theory

in some holistic health care communities (I automatically think of Los Angeles)

-- and not

to say I know none of it is true -- but what I do know is that when I tried some

of the

" yeast cleansing " remedies, I suffered big time. (I've also read about people

getting serious

infections from colon cleansing.) Other folks on lists like these have told me

people with

Hashis should not be using a lot of " immune enhancing " stuff... even such herbs

as

echinacea. So if you proceed, PLEASE do so slowly and be careful.. your immune

system is

confused enough already.

Take care,

> Hi, and welcome.

>

> It sounds like you are on a great track of taking care of yourself.

> Personally, I am getting really enthusiastic about cleaning out the

> body of backed-up wastes in the colon and liver/kidney/gallbladder

> stones that can interfere with digestion. It could be that the

> thyroid problem is a symptom of autoimmune problems that started in

> the gut -- with leaky gut syndrome (LGS).

>

> To make a long story short, if your gut is leaky (due to

> sugary/starchy diet, antibiotics, stress, poor nutrition, etc.) and

> digestion is poor due to blockage of liver bile (caused by stones),

> peptides or partially-digested proteins can get into the

> bloodstream, where they are attacked by the immune system. The

> resulting blood toxins can make you weak and be deposited in joints,

> causing arthritis. Meanwhile, LGS can cause you not to absorb the

> magnesium in your diet/supplements, leading to muscle cramping

> caused by lack of magnesium.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, , thanks for your input.

Toxin/waste stuff is gaining interest from people now -- e.g., the

curezone website I mentioned before is so popular, they have to move

it to a company that can provide more bandwidth to support hundreds

of simultaneous users. But that is not to say that trendy is a

wholly accurate term for describing this stuff. After all, fasting

was used by Jesus and his contemporaries, and people have been using

parasite remedies and the like for thousands of years.

I'm not sure what kind of yeast cleaning remedy you reacted badly

to, but I also felt worse when I introduced a probiotic. I

developed an allergic reaction to it, but then I am allergic to

EVERYTHING these days. I don't think that necessarily means I am on

the wrong track. A wholistic consultant in another support group

suggested that many people have to start one step back -- with a

prebiotic instead of a probiotic. I've had a series of colonics

myself, and it was wonderful, though of course you could get an

infection if the practioner did not practice scrupulous hygiene.

You are quite right that my immune system is confused. I do not

have Hashi's but have to proceed with caution because of my

hypersensitivity.

If you would like to share more of what happened to you with the

yeast-cleaning remedy, I would be interested -- here or offline.

Take care,

> > Hi, and welcome.

> >

> > It sounds like you are on a great track of taking care of

yourself.

> > Personally, I am getting really enthusiastic about cleaning out

the

> > body of backed-up wastes in the colon and

liver/kidney/gallbladder

> > stones that can interfere with digestion. It could be that the

> > thyroid problem is a symptom of autoimmune problems that started

in

> > the gut -- with leaky gut syndrome (LGS).

> >

> > To make a long story short, if your gut is leaky (due to

> > sugary/starchy diet, antibiotics, stress, poor nutrition, etc.)

and

> > digestion is poor due to blockage of liver bile (caused by

stones),

> > peptides or partially-digested proteins can get into the

> > bloodstream, where they are attacked by the immune system. The

> > resulting blood toxins can make you weak and be deposited in

joints,

> > causing arthritis. Meanwhile, LGS can cause you not to absorb

the

> > magnesium in your diet/supplements, leading to muscle cramping

> > caused by lack of magnesium.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi -- my main experience with trying to kill off yeast to get rid of

recurring

infections was to starve myself of carbs, sugars and all the other stuff they

say yeast feed

on... then to try a product called Grapefruit Seed Extract. The combination of

these things

and not knowing I was hypothyroid made me severely ill and I wound up in the

hospital. I

see GSE is still touted as having no harmful side effects... I'm convinced it

was this

substance in particular that really made me ill. It occurs to me that I never

wrote them a

complaint letter... I need to do that. I did call them upon which they revealed

that this stuff

isn't made from grapefruit at all.

I still suffer from yeast infections and now when I get them I do absolutely

nothing diet

wise except to eat nutritious foods, avoid sugar but not be manic about it, and

eat yogurt.

More importantly I use an herbal suppository developed by a gynecologist.. I

can't

remember the name of it now, I just know where to get it... it has calendula,

boric acid and

some other things. I use this at first sign of infection and it usually takes

care of it. The

important part is to start treatment early and not get paranoid over it.

The colonic-related infections I read about were intestinal infections from

bacteria in the

colon being forced up into the lower intestinal tract.

> If you would like to share more of what happened to you with the

> yeast-cleaning remedy, I would be interested -- here or offline.

[Guest guest]

Hi -- Wow, sorry that happened to you! I've actually never

heard of GSE for candida.

You are lucky you can eat yogurt; I am horribly allergic to it.

Also you're lucky to have such a holistic gyno; the product you

describe is the kind of thing people in the lists to which I

referred use. I wish something like that were available here.

A colonic should be done by a professional (or you can do a colema

yourself), and they have to put some pressure on your ileocecal

valve to close it before starting. Compared to other health

treatments, colonics are quite safe, but whenever you use any kind

of medical intervention, you run a certain risk. Then again, you

can also run a risk by doing nothing.

All the best,

> > If you would like to share more of what happened to you with the

> > yeast-cleaning remedy, I would be interested -- here or offline.