Re: Crazy thyroid lab results

[Guest guest]

Carol,

What in the world are you saying?

(as i recall one thing being hypot does is ~lower~ the T? wave )

I have no idea what a " T? wave " is.

But, I agree that being hypo causes every function in the body to become

impaired one way or another. The heart included.

~Bj

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it's not as if I'm trying to find an equivalent dose. As I said, I feel better

than I've felt in a long time, so why do the labs show much worse than ever?

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to see if I could raise another 15 mg (you are right, I did try Armour a couple

of years ago and had to quit after three days. Then was not on any thyroid meds

for about a year until starting the NT)

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the blood drawn mid-afternoon and I usually have it drawn in the morning. I

recall reading a study a few months ago where it said that time of day can

affect TSH levels, with TSH being higher later in the day. I believe Shomon

had some info on that. But surely 7 hours without meds would not cause the

TSH to jump over 5 points?

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[Guest guest]

Ive been having " heart palps " as well and Im on the low end of normal. Spoke to

my doc about it and she is wondering if they are actually skipped beats because

everything slows down when you are hyPO. So we discussed up'ing my dose or

adding some Cytomel but we both decided that I should see a cardiologist to make

sure everything is ok before we do anything....last week I wore the halter for

24 hrs and had an echocardiogram, I go in to see the Dr a week this Tues for the

results and then once I find out how my heart is doing we will see about

changing the dose of the Thyroid drugs

Laurie

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> > wanted to see if I could raise another 15 mg (you are right, I did try

> > Armour a couple of years ago and had to quit after three days. Then

> > was not on any thyroid meds for about a year until starting the NT)

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> > morning. I recall reading a study a few months ago where it said that

> > time of day can affect TSH levels, with TSH being higher later in the

> > day. I believe Shomon had some info on that. But surely 7 hours

> > without meds would not cause the TSH to jump over 5 points?

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[Guest guest]

you have to start Google-learning vs just talking to regular ol' drs who we

see in person they Think they know any thing about hypothyroidism but they

just don't! sad but true.

so you have to do your own research and find the drs who actually have done

their homework!

- MVP is known to be common in hypots.

- also " valvves " are known to turn to " jelly " in Hypots (a phrase 1

scientiest/researcher teyp used who says the valves get restored to Normal once

proper Thryoid HOrmone replacement (nth /t3) is implemented! great news but also

impressive how hugely being even slightly hypot can affect the body.

- also the heart 'beats " cuz of some electrical property that is what EKGs

are measuring! but different parts of the hearts 4 chambers do different things

(which is related to your question and terms you used :^) there is a known

HYPOT problem(s?) in this area. more than 1 type of problem.

- heart is a muscle and muscle is known to be affected in hypots (2 types long

and short ;;all our longs turn to short (or vice versa?

- electrolyte disturbances are common in hypots! that will affect even the

heart/muscle

+ no doubt more that i can't remember right now =including the fact that we

typically have Adrenal Fatigue which means that we have an UPregulated Stress

system = HPA axis and the SNS. and that includes the Hypothalamus role as the

head of the Autonomic NErvous System! (eg That controls our heart beat and is

directly affected by the HPA Axis hormones and the SNS portion of the ANS

so " Adrenal Fatiuge " Does affect ones heart/beat!

==my heart symptoms story==

i was diagnosed as MVP -by the 10 th dr i ever saw -after 15 years of being a

diagnosed hypot /hashis patients With ALL previous DRs blowing off my

protestations that my heart palps were not " normal "

(duh

i almost fainted on the freeway a few years ago (my hypot and AF was getting

much worse and i had low grade sinus infecitons and etc) anyway i had to

threaten my dr (i have tol dmy family that if any thing happens to me when i am

driving ... talk to my dr who wouldn't order any tests --so i finally got my

first Heart Exam = Sonogram

Results: they are not sure that i have MVP but now they also think i have a

problem with my Aorta! (they think i have a Biscuspid valve instead of the

NOrmal Tricuspid aortic valve. the DRs at my old world famous clinic were more

than happy to offer me surgery in years down the road to replace my valve should

it ever need it. However, what my " World famous clinic " drs did NOT do was test

my Free T3 (or even t3) or Rt3 to verify how well i was converting my $INthroid

in fact they did not order any current thryoid tests (tho i had a yearly

physcial 6 monhts before ) where my TSH = " Normal " . greaaat

but now i do wonder if the 2 years i titrating and finally on enough All-ARmour

to get my Free T3 etc in its Normal range,, will it have made my aortic valve

less " jelly like " and would ANy thing show up on a sonogram this time? somoe

day hopefully i will have good insurance again and can do the test ...

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anyway; you should read as much as you can about Alternative MDs and researchers

and hypot and " Adrenal Fatigue " (i hate that term cuz it IS the HPA/SNS that is

whipping the cortex to make more cortisol , whether it can or not )

-Carol

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> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carol,

> > > > > > > > > > > I was not on any meds prior to starting

> > NatureThroid, so it's not as if I'm trying to find an equivalent dose.

> > As I said, I feel better than I've felt in a long time, so why do the

> > labs show much worse than ever?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did the labs because it was the 6 week mark and I

> > wanted to see if I could raise another 15 mg (you are right, I did try

> > Armour a couple of years ago and had to quit after three days. Then

> > was not on any thyroid meds for about a year until starting the NT)

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> > I had the blood drawn mid-afternoon and I usually have it drawn in the

> > morning. I recall reading a study a few months ago where it said that

> > time of day can affect TSH levels, with TSH being higher later in the

> > day. I believe Shomon had some info on that. But surely 7 hours

> > without meds would not cause the TSH to jump over 5 points?

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[Guest guest]

hi Laurie

will you post your results?

it would be interseting to see which " areas " are common in hypots.

that is great your Dr has a clue that these issues can occur in hypots

-- In Thyroiditis , " lsaisatx " wrote:

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> Ive been having " heart palps " as well and Im on the low end of normal. Spoke

to my doc about it and she is wondering if they are actually skipped beats

because everything slows down when you are hyPO. So we discussed up'ing my dose

or adding some Cytomel but we both decided that I should see a cardiologist to

make sure everything is ok before we do anything....last week I wore the halter

for 24 hrs and had an echocardiogram, I go in to see the Dr a week this Tues for

the results and then once I find out how my heart is doing we will see about

changing the dose of the Thyroid drugs

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> Laurie

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> > Carol/and anyone with heart palps,

> > do you know what type of heart palps you have? for example, are they

> > svt's, atrial flutter, ventricular, etc? also, was there a test that

> > you were given that gave direct evidence that palps are caused by

> > hypot? there are still doctors who insist that only hyPERt can cause

> > heart palps. that's why i ask.

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> > i have had them for seven years and they are still very scary for

[Guest guest]

Hi all - this is repetition for some, but I started having heart palps when I

was severely hypo many years ago--yes, hypO OR hypERthyroidism can cause this

and it's the worst feeling. My palps got better on treatment, then worse again

and continued for years--until recently when a member on here suggested I try

Coenzyme Q10--I knew this was good for the heart but it's also been 100%

effective in stopping my palps! I'm sitting here having a strong cup of coffee

and absolutely no palpitations. I take 100 mcg once per day. Couldn't hurt to

try... take care!

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> Carol/and anyone with heart palps,

> do you know what type of heart palps you have? for example, are they

> svt's, atrial flutter, ventricular, etc? also, was there a test that

> you were given that gave direct evidence that palps are caused by

> hypot? there are still doctors who insist that only hyPERt can cause

> heart palps. that's why i ask.