Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 yr quests are most poignant! i truly bel that all of us on j-f wld agree that saddam is a monster. what for most of us is the reluctance to resort to violence, killing, n destruction of innocent people - nature - even treasures of ancient history n moslem architecture! the hope was that we cld be more civilized. i trust colin powell n i truly believe that bush is 100% conv that he is doing the right thing. my pryer is that the UN wld come to a unanimous conclusion n that wld give iraq no way out - coll we might pass a test n some miracle might occur - saddam capitulate or somthing. what for me is scary ab bush is fundamentalism wh cld hint at a wish for a theocracy n this goes ag the coll evol of consciousness - we have 2000 yrs ahead of us to disc that it's the SAME LIGHT that shines thru ev human being n so whatever we do to another we are doing to ourselves n 2] that 'the only way' taught by all the avatars is THE SAME ONLY WAY i.e. within each of us - the connecting of an ego with devotion to the divine guest [self] n this coniunctio accompl by the process of hagia sophia, holy spirit, tara et al. fundamentalism is a form of idolatry n denies the power of symbolic thinking! the reason the great teachers spoke in parables was that as we grow we can discern more n more wisdom on subtler n more subtle levels. here jung comes in w/ the importance of symbolic thinking. most of us think in terms of nouns [quantitative] but the secret lies in discov the verbs they conceal [qualitative]. the word sym-bolos implies putt 2 n 2 together - an outer thing/event w/its spiritual meaning. the antonym = dia-bolos, etymol origin of diabolical, devil, whose process is separation [thru denial, cynicism, ridicule] to quote the alchemist petrus bonus;to look w/the eyes n see w/the heart is the secret of the philosopher's stone. so to conclude, go ahead n admire bush but pray for him, too. absolute power can be corrupting n it happens thru inflation. saddam is a gd example of that! love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 yr quests are most poignant! why do most of us opp bush/war n u don't? i truly bel that all of us on j-f wld agree that saddam is a monster. what for most of us is the reluctance to resort to violence, killing, n destruction of innocent people - nature - even treasures of ancient history n moslem architecture! the hope was that we cld be more civilized. the alternative seems like regression. i, too, trust colin powell n i truly believe that bush is 100% conv that he is doing the right thing. but mebbe for the wrong reason? my pryer is that the UN wld come to a unanimous conclusion n that wld give iraq no way out - coll we might pass the test of how to handle a bully n then some miracle might occur - saddam capitulate or somthing. what for me is scary ab bush is his fundamentalism wh cld hint at a wish for a theocracy n this goes ag the coll evol of consciousness - we have 2000 yrs ahead of us to disc that it's the SAME LIGHT that shines thru ev human being n so whatever we do to another we are doing to ourselves n 2] that 'the only way' taught by all the avatars is THE SAME ONLY WAY i.e. within each of us - the connecting of an ego with devotion to the divine guest [self] n this coniunctio accompl by the process of hagia sophia, holy spirit, tara et al. we must discov that christ consciousness=atman consc=the divine guest in all religions bec it dwells in each human being alive. this is pure heresy to many but the flame in every lantern n on ev candle is the SAME fire n is a gift as is all light, life, love. only then will there be peace on earth. the paradox is evident - the christians n jews n moslems n hindus etc etc are all right! the wrong is that they think that they are the ONLY ones who have it right n this has caused wars down thru the millennia. so what jung contributes is a psychol explan [the mechanics in the psyche] whereby as we individuate we become more aware spiritually n less likely to fall into this trap. his explanations are logical n make SENSE. like popcorn once u've popped u can't go back - jung popped! wh is why he cld say 'i dont have to believe in god. i know.' fundamentalism is a form of idolatry n denies the power of symbolic thinking! the reason the great teachers spoke in parables was that as we grow we can discern more n more wisdom on subtler n more subtle levels. ex - the story of adam n eve is the story of birth of ego consciousness, duality, choices - so the fall of adam/orig sin is the story of the perils of ego identification. but it was a huge step in the age of aries to discov 'i am' [ego in lat = I]. one mediev hymn even calls it felix culpa - fortuitous sin. bec it gave us consc - a great gift of ancient judaism n hinduism n socrates n buddha bec historically the shift became anthropocentric, the middle way was conceived n laws n human resposibility emerged. [see my bk JUNGIAN SYNCHRONICITY IN THE ASTROL SIGNS N AGES. now jung comes in w/ the importance of symbolic thinking. most of us think in terms of nouns [quantitative] but the secret lies in discov the verbs they conceal [qualitative]. the word sym-bolos implies putt 2 n 2 together - an outer thing/event w/its spiritual meaning. this comes close to the def of a sacrament. the antonym = dia-bolos, etymol origin of diabolical, devil, whose process is separation [thru denial, cynicism, ridicule] ! to quote the alchemist petrus bonus;to look w/the eyes n see w/the heart is the secret of the philosopher's stone. so to conclude, go ahead n admire bush but pray for him, too. absolute power can be corrupting n it happens thru inflation. saddam is a gd example of that! he sees himself as the new nebuchadnezzar w/pics of himself EVERYWHERE love ao ps - it helps to call this inner light our divine guest, that implies all the messages brought to us by the great Givers of wisdom, it is inclusive not exclusive. 'the center n totality of the psyche' as jung termed it. 'God lives in you as you.' pps my caps don't resp to shift! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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