Re: Lumbrokinase at Imaginings or NatuRx, / When your kids are not responding to a treatment.

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in Lumbrokinase and have been googling it today. I also found some other like naturals and would like any feedback on the following to break down fibrin

One is kinase - go here http://www.jigsawhealth.com/products/kinase.html

The other is: Nattokinase go here to review http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T447441.html

I would like to get this for my son and also for me as I have had a history of migraines and think this may be of help.

Or do your think that Lumbrokinase is the best one?

Thank you for sharing this with me and for any feedback

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autismSent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:01 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Lumbrokinase at Imaginings or NatuRx, / When your kids are not responding to a treatment.

I decided to share this information with all of you because there are many kids and parents that are not seeing improvements with the treatments that other parents are seeing.

It could be many reasons but I have found one of the most common reason for a lack of response in the kids to the treatments is due to poor blood circulation, that happened in my own experience as well many other friends of mine with their kids,

I hope other parents and kids can benefit from these posts and learn something new that can really help.

Best to all

.

reversing_autism <andreacausaverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

It has been working so nice for me and a couple of friends in my circle here that the only thing I can say is that every kid deserves a try.It is very safe and highly recommended by Doctor Abram Hoffer, MD as well, my toxicologist doctor Allan Sosin, MD they both agree it can be very beneficial for several reasons.Whatever dose I gave to my son it goes together with a double dose of Vitamin CIn another words 250mg of niacin goes with a minimum of 500mg of vitamin C.To read and learn about Dr.Abrram Hoffer, MD you can go this website.http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml

From: Reversingautism [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine quinnSent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:52 AMTo: Reversingautism Subject: Re: [Reversingautism] Please, Please , Please give a chance to high doses of niacin!!!!! didn't work for us

:

I know you and a few of the other moms have had great sucess with niacin.

we tried it for like 2 and a half weeks and it was horrible. I started out with 500mg daily and moved up to 1500mg (500mg 3x daily), my son is 14yrs old. I added in the vit c with each dose 500mg of niacin and 500mg of vit c. He flushed for the first 5 days, but the whole time it was horrible he had horrible horrible migranes.

I took it with him the same dose, because I wanted to know what was going on and I too had really bad headaches, the top of my head felt like I had been hit on the head.

I stopped the niacin and the headaches went away.

On another note, the insomnia problem we had for 9months has been cured. After the niacin experiment failed, I added in just regular b-complex 150 1x daily along with msm to increase absorbancy, and after 2 weeks of this he started sleeping like normal again! Isn't that wonderful! I can't tell you how great it is to have him on a regular sleep cycle!

cat_______________

From: Reversingautism [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine quinn

Cat:

The reason you are having headaches maybe due to vasoconstriction in the brain, this is one of the most common things I have found to cause headaches.

When you take niacin you dilated the blood vessel and a lot of blood is finally push to flow thought your blood vessels, but if you have not being in good shape and had some poor circulation, little clogs called fibrin formed inside your blood vessels due to mild infections, which is precisely what has been happening to our kids.

The best thing to do is to take Lumbrokinase for a month and then try Niacin and continue both for a while and you will see nice results by doing this.

By just using the Lumbrokinase with my son I remember back then his speech increase a couple of points and his behaviors decrease, also by using Lumbrokinase you may reduce platelet count if he has it high, high platelets can cause low serotonin and impairment to talk, I have to studies that was done on this matter.

I hope this help.

Lumbrokinase can be bought by calling the numbers in that I posted in the home page of this chat room, from Imaginings or NatuRx, or you can search online I guess.

.

From: Reversingautism [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine quinnSent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:33 PMTo: reversingautism Subject: [Reversingautism] sucess with lumbrokinase!

:

I just wanted to report back in on the lumbrokinase.

My son has gone through roughly a half a bottle (2 capsules in morning before breakfeast) and I have noticed a huge improvement in concentration, understanding language, and he looks so incredibly great! He is so much more connected and has lost that spaced out look.

I am going to order a 2nd bottle of this product. we haven't added in the niacin yet, and I can't imagine how much better it will be once we begin this too.

I want to point out to everyone, my son is a teenager.....so see, improvement is possible in all stages of this horrible disease! (and yes, I view this as a disease!)

Also, , I really want to thank you for all you have done for all of our children. Pointing out issues like diet, proper vitamins are so under appreciated by the M.D. community. For my son too, I found great improvement in removing all of the wheat flours. Adding it back in for just one day resulted in all of the stims/and ocd like issue coming back.

So I am convinced wheat flour for my son is the equivalent of poison to his system.

God Bless,

Cat

From: Reversingautism [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine quinn

CAT

I am very happy to hear that Lumbrokinase help your boy, you just made my day!!!! I am very happy for you and for all the children that will benefit out of this report.

I wish to collect the most information from all of you, so please if there are more people trying Lumbrokinase let me know the results.

CAT, this is just the beginning, finally your son's blood vessels are clean, and the platelets under control, so now niacin should start to run through his body pushing the blood to the most small blood vessels in the brain, little spaces where it was not going, so you will see at the beginning a lot of un even flushing, and the more you do the more that he will flush more evenly. Make sure he will not eat flours at all, not just wheat but also corn and the others.

Sprouted grains are OK, but no flours!

Niacin will repair many things, like: fat metabolism and nicotinic receptors in the brain, excrete alkaloids and put chemicals neurotransmitters in balance.

I suggest you to try after the Lumbrokinase and niacin for a month, go for nutrition IV and EDTA followed by DMSA, we need to get the fungus out of the brain, also the toxins at the same time.

I am currently researching if Niacin will work better nebulize right before the IV, but so far my son is responding as is, I am very happy, he may get where I want him to be in a short period of time.

However, I do believe the dame fungus is deep in the brain, so I hope to reach deep in the brain by using an atomization with niacin. The idea came to my mind after reading that the drugs to stop seizures are done this way and proved to be, the most effective way.

Nicotic acid has also a very powerful purging effect. So I hope will purge the bug "OUT OF THE BRAIN"

Therefore, my plan is:

1. - clean blood vessels and increase blood flow.

1. - Dope the fungus with nicotinic acid (capsules, or nebulize) I have to see what works the fastest and the best way.

2. - Help the brain repair the neuron's receptors with phophatidylchloline and nutrients IV

3. - Make the fungus weak with IV EDTA (vinegar)

4. - Continue killing it with 3 days DMSA (succinic acid) and virastop followed the IV because the fungus is week, also prevent other viruses or bacteria grow.(remember our kids have a cocktail of bugs inside)

5. - If you see white tongue add P73 Oregano oil or natural garlic pills to keep yeast under control

I am not too crazy about giving my son the other vitamins right now because the nutrients my son is getting in the IV but I still muscle test, and give to him if he needs for example extra b6 or b12. I do have all my vitamins SEPARATED!

I do not do multivitamins because I found out they are ineffective that way.

It is better separated vitamins.

This should work overall for everyone, if not I am working in something else for more severe kids; I will post that in the future.

I do not stop minerals at all, and I make sure the food is organic and prepared under the rules I have said before.

.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is to brake fibrin.

I tried natokinase from the same company that makes Virastop before;

it did not give me the same results.

I cannot explain here in detail the differences and why Lumbrokinase

seems to work better, but the only one I will recommend based on my

experience and results is Lumbrokinase.

There are several brand names, but I do like Allergy research group

because of the quality of their products.

You can buy it anywhere online; I just like to buy from my vitamin

providers because I know the owners of these two places and they are

people that I trust.

IMAGININGS INC. @ (TEXAS) OR NATURX @

(ARIZONA)

.

>

> It has been working so nice for me and a couple of friends in my

> circle here that the only thing I can say is that every kid

deserves a

> try.

> It is very safe and highly recommended by Doctor Abram Hoffer, MD

as

> well, my toxicologist doctor Allan Sosin, MD they both agree it

can be

> very beneficial for several reasons.

>

> Whatever dose I gave to my son it goes together with a double dose

of

> Vitamin C

>

> In another words 250mg of niacin goes with a minimum of 500mg of

> vitamin C.

>

> To read and learn about Dr.Abrram Hoffer, MD you can go this

website.

>

> http://orthomolecul

<http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml>

> ar.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml

>

>

>

> From: Reversingautism

> [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine

quinn

> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:52 AM

> To: Reversingautism

> Subject: Re: [Reversingautism] Please, Please , Please give a

chance to high

> doses of niacin!!!!! didn't work for us

>

> :

>

> I know you and a few of the other moms have had great sucess with

niacin.

>

> we tried it for like 2 and a half weeks and it was horrible. I

started out

> with 500mg daily and moved up to 1500mg (500mg 3x daily), my son

is 14yrs

> old. I added in the vit c with each dose 500mg of niacin and 500mg

of vit c.

> He flushed for the first 5 days, but the whole time it was

horrible he had

> horrible horrible migranes.

>

> I took it with him the same dose, because I wanted to know what

was going

> on and I too had really bad headaches, the top of my head felt

like I had

> been hit on the head.

>

> I stopped the niacin and the headaches went away.

>

> On another note, the insomnia problem we had for 9months has been

cured.

> After the niacin experiment failed, I added in just regular b-

complex 150 1x

> daily along with msm to increase absorbancy, and after 2 weeks of

this he

> started sleeping like normal again! Isn't that wonderful! I can't

tell you

> how great it is to have him on a regular sleep cycle!

>

> cat

> _______________

>

> From: Reversingautism

> [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine

quinn

>

>

> Cat:

>

> The reason you are having headaches maybe due to vasoconstriction

in the

> brain, this is one of the most common things I have found to cause

> headaches.

>

> When you take niacin you dilated the blood vessel and a lot of

blood is

> finally push to flow thought your blood vessels, but if you have

not being

> in good shape and had some poor circulation, little clogs called

fibrin

> formed inside your blood vessels due to mild infections, which is

precisely

> what has been happening to our kids.

>

> The best thing to do is to take Lumbrokinase for a month and then

try Niacin

> and continue both for a while and you will see nice results by

doing this.

>

> By just using the Lumbrokinase with my son I remember back then

his speech

> increase a couple of points and his behaviors decrease, also by

using

> Lumbrokinase you may reduce platelet count if he has it high, high

platelets

> can cause low serotonin and impairment to talk, I have to studies

that was

> done on this matter.

>

> I hope this help.

>

> Lumbrokinase can be bought by calling the numbers in that I posted

in the

> home page of this chat room, from Imaginings or NatuRx, or you can

search

> online I guess.

>

> .

>

> _____

>

> From: Reversingautism

> [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine

quinn

> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:33 PM

> To: reversingautism

> Subject: [Reversingautism] sucess with lumbrokinase!

>

> :

>

> I just wanted to report back in on the lumbrokinase.

>

> My son has gone through roughly a half a bottle (2 capsules in

morning

> before breakfeast) and I have noticed a huge improvement in

concentration,

> understanding language, and he looks so incredibly great! He is so

much more

> connected and has lost that spaced out look.

>

> I am going to order a 2nd bottle of this product. we haven't added

in the

> niacin yet, and I can't imagine how much better it will be once we

begin

> this too.

>

> I want to point out to everyone, my son is a teenager.....so see,

> improvement is possible in all stages of this horrible disease!

(and yes, I

> view this as a disease!)

>

> Also, , I really want to thank you for all you have done for

all of

> our children. Pointing out issues like diet, proper vitamins are

so under

> appreciated by the M.D. community. For my son too, I found great

improvement

> in removing all of the wheat flours. Adding it back in for just

one day

> resulted in all of the stims/and ocd like issue coming back.

>

> So I am convinced wheat flour for my son is the equivalent of

poison to his

> system.

>

> God Bless,

>

> Cat

>

> From: Reversingautism

> [mailto:Reversingautism ] On Behalf Of catherine

quinn

>

>

>

> CAT

>

> I am very happy to hear that Lumbrokinase help your boy, you just

made my

> day!!!! I am very happy for you and for all the children that will

benefit

> out of this report.

>

> I wish to collect the most information from all of you, so please

if there

> are more people trying Lumbrokinase let me know the results.

>

> CAT, this is just the beginning, finally your son's blood vessels

are clean,

> and the platelets under control, so now niacin should start to run

through

> his body pushing the blood to the most small blood vessels in the

brain,

> little spaces where it was not going, so you will see at the

beginning a lot

> of un even flushing, and the more you do the more that he will

flush more

> evenly. Make sure he will not eat flours at all, not just wheat

but also

> corn and the others.

>

> Sprouted grains are OK, but no flours!

>

> Niacin will repair many things, like: fat metabolism and nicotinic

> receptors in the brain, excrete alkaloids and put chemicals

> neurotransmitters in balance.

>

> I suggest you to try after the Lumbrokinase and niacin for a

month, go for

> nutrition IV and EDTA followed by DMSA, we need to get the fungus

out of the

> brain, also the toxins at the same time.

>

> I am currently researching if Niacin will work better nebulize

right before

> the IV, but so far my son is responding as is, I am very happy, he

may get

> where I want him to be in a short period of time.

>

> However, I do believe the dame fungus is deep in the brain, so I

hope to

> reach deep in the brain by using an atomization with niacin. The

idea came

> to my mind after reading that the drugs to stop seizures are done

this way

> and proved to be, the most effective way.

>

> Nicotic acid has also a very powerful purging effect. So I hope

will purge

> the bug " OUT OF THE BRAIN "

>

> Therefore, my plan is:

>

> 1. - clean blood vessels and increase blood flow.

>

> 1. - Dope the fungus with nicotinic acid (capsules, or nebulize) I

have to

> see what works the fastest and the best way.

>

> 2. - Help the brain repair the neuron's receptors with

phophatidylchloline

> and nutrients IV

>

> 3. - Make the fungus weak with IV EDTA (vinegar)

>

> 4. - Continue killing it with 3 days DMSA (succinic acid) and

virastop

> followed the IV because the fungus is week, also prevent other

viruses or

> bacteria grow.(remember our kids have a cocktail of bugs inside)

>

> 5. - If you see white tongue add P73 Oregano oil or natural garlic

pills to

> keep yeast under control

>

> I am not too crazy about giving my son the other vitamins right

now because

> the nutrients my son is getting in the IV but I still muscle test,

and give

> to him if he needs for example extra b6 or b12. I do have all my

vitamins

> SEPARATED!

>

> I do not do multivitamins because I found out they are ineffective

that way.

>

> It is better separated vitamins.

>

> This should work overall for everyone, if not I am working in

something

> else for more severe kids; I will post that in the future.

>

> I do not stop minerals at all, and I make sure the food is

organic and

> prepared under the rules I have said before.

>

> .

>