Re: Feeding the Soul: was Addiction, Brain Damage Dry Drunk

[Guest guest]

> I personally like W. Bush and Colin . I listened to 's

address on TV at 2 PM. He made sense to me. And I believe he and Pres. Bush

are deeply sincere. And have a heavy heart for what may be necessary<<

And so was Hitler very sincere. He believed from the bottom of his heart he

was doing God's will, purging the earth of Jews. The current situation is

basically the same, except the boot's on the other foot. Purging the earth

of the 'enemy', this time it's Hussein. Next time it will be who? Praying

for peace doesn't do anything. Though the intention is good, It's only when

we all actually get of our asses and unite as one humanity, with tolerance

and understanding, will we ever have lasting peace.

[Guest guest]

We are not trying to purge the earth of anyone, Joe.

How can you compare this situation to Hitler? You say this situation is

basically the same.

I just do not buy that.

Sara

And so was Hitler very sincere. He believed from the bottom of his heart he

was doing God's will, purging the earth of Jews. The current situation is

basically the same, except the boot's on the other foot.

[Guest guest]

Oh for christ sakes, you're purging the earth of the 'enemy' whether it is

the terrorists around the world, the dictatorships, the whatever. Anything

that from the perspective of a white, christian American civilization seems

fit to put under the banner of 'anti-american' or doesn't agree with the

American way of life or perspective.

Re: Feeding the Soul: was Addiction, Brain Damage " Dry

Drunk "

> We are not trying to purge the earth of anyone, Joe.

>

> How can you compare this situation to Hitler? You say this situation is

basically the same.

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> I just do not buy that.

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> Sara

> And so was Hitler very sincere. He believed from the bottom of his heart

he

> was doing God's will, purging the earth of Jews. The current situation

is

> basically the same, except the boot's on the other foot.

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[Guest guest]

So what is your perspective?

Sara

Re: Feeding the Soul: was Addiction, Brain Damage " Dry

Drunk "

Oh for christ sakes, you're purging the earth of the 'enemy' whether it is

the terrorists around the world, the dictatorships, the whatever. Anything

that from the perspective of a white, christian American civilization seems

fit to put under the banner of 'anti-american' or doesn't agree with the

American way of life or perspective.

[Guest guest]

Dear sara,

I must have misspoken or anyway mis understood. Of course fundamentalism

does not , NOT feed the soul. Did I put a comma in the wrong place?

It is the only haven some people feel comfortable in., for those who are

looking for something...they don't get

it.They are looking in the wrong place. I think.

NO politics feeds the soul...I never never said that. My attempt to explain

fundamentalism as effect rather than cause was the only thing I was trying

to say. Liberal, Center,Conservative are modes of seeing. It is the lense we

personally wear when we look at reality. It is a result of psyche l which is

what is looking at the universe through our eyes.

If I could be so radically misunderstood, I may have to go back to writing

class...I think you approached my letter wrong way to????

Nothing I have ever said about either politcs or fundamentalism as subject

could possibly be in the same sentence with soul.. I just went over my post

word by word. Only 2 adjectives, in the last paragraph, in the next to last

sentence says anything about anyone in particular. I should not have used

" bad boy " . I do nopt apologize for the adjective " former addict " , because I

am only quoting what is true. ( alcohol is addictive and he confessed it

himself.) I apologise .A dry drunk? Ii never used such words...but really

isn't that what every reformed alchololic is?. I have heard them say in an

introdfuction. " I am a drunk " I am an alcoholic " Thats what AA teaches.

..

Nothing in this post but those two adjectives was of a personal nature to

anyone. And none of it was meant as insult to any member of this group.or

something to take personally.

I didn't express pro war sentiments. I imagine many of us here have strong

feelings about peace or war, but I did not address that issue either.

Your whole post , addressed to me,depends on two adjectives I used (not nice

I agree) in the

last couple of sentences of my post.

The point I was trying to make is that addicts, former addicts and possible

addicts find comfort in a formal fundamental religious structure. There are

lots of other people who prefer that also...I am not condemning any group or

any person when I say psychologically we all see reality through different

eyes and different experiences. Therefore it follows we will be drawn to

different manners of expressing our religious beliefs.

I was responding to a particular post about one opinion.... on cause and

effect. period.

Please, sara , read what I said. I am bad enough , don't paint me any

worse.

I am not a bigot, and I belong to no religious organized group. I found the

letters about Bush interesting, and that started the discussion.

I apologize for the one adjective if it bothers you. Those words were my

private opinion and the only thing personal in the whole post to any

particular person.

I love Republicans too. Love is not something someone earns. It is

unconditional. One does not have to agree with a person's choice of

presidents to love. There is no connection between one and the other. Since

you are free to express your prefernces so am I....but that is not what this

post was about~!!!!!

Toni

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To: <JUNG-FIRE >

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:36 PM

Subject: Feeding the Soul: was Addiction, Brain Damage " Dry

Drunk "

> Toni and all, I don't think fundamentalism feeds the soul. Neither do I

think the liberal/political radicals feed the soul.

>

> I think what we need is love and understanding. From all of us. For all of

us.

>

> I personally like W. Bush and Colin . I listened to 's

address on TV at 2 PM. He made sense to me. And I believe he and Pres. Bush

are deeply sincere. And have a heavy heart for what may be necessary.

>

> I don't want war. Who on earth does want war? But when diplomacy fails and

12 years of inspections fail, and there is a gold mine of WMD in Iraq, what

are we to do?

>

> It is easy for Hollywood celebrities to protest our president. Who is

protesting Saddam Hussein?

>

> Maybe this can be settled without a war. I pray so. But sometimes, as

history proves, war is the only way.

>

> Anyway, I look to J-F to feed my soul at times... But calling Pres. Bush a

dry drunk just does not seem necessary.

>

> Sara

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[Guest guest]

Dearest Toni,

I am so sorry that my message seemed to be a reaction to your post. It really

was not your post. It was an abundance of posts (which I now have deleted so

can't pull them up) that seemed to be so anti Bush that it distressed me.

Please forgive me for misunderstanding you. If anyone has done anything wrong,

it is I - not you.

I am so worried about our country and our world right now. And it bothers me

that so many people jump on a big anti Bush band wagon. Like he is the culprit

or something.

I am the one who misspoke. And I should have addressed my message to everyone,

not you.

I am not a big right winger. God forbid. But I am southern (from Georgia) and

perhaps more conservative than a lot of folks. And I often react too quickly to

some words without bothering to read the whole message.

Love,

Sara

[Guest guest]

Dear Sara,

I over reacted. Worried about it all night long. That's my ego again, damn.

I do understand. We all seem to have nothing on our minds than war nowadays.

Remember people project on other people. The president is about the most

projected on. . You are right to delete whatever distresses you. Life is to

short.

But, of course many people zero in on Bush and do consider him the main

culprit. That doesn't make him so or not.

I am sure you realize that public opinion is in an uproar...mainly economy

and war. We are all showing our anxiety, that is all.Your opinion is worth

exactly as much as mine, or anyone else's, when it comes to how we see our

country best run...personally.

Please don't let these differing opinions on politics upset you. Some of us

just need to keep our mouths shut but I am trying.

On thing about psychologists in general, psychoanalyzing politicians in a

major sport...I imagine followers of Jung are especially apt to do that.

Especially when the issues affect us all.

Nothing to forgive...with love,

Toni

Re: Feeding the Soul: was Addiction, Brain Damage " Dry

Drunk "

> Dearest Toni,

>

> I am so sorry that my message seemed to be a reaction to your post. It

really was not your post. It was an abundance of posts (which I now have

deleted so can't pull them up) that seemed to be so anti Bush that it

distressed me.

>

> Please forgive me for misunderstanding you. If anyone has done anything

wrong, it is I - not you.

>

> I am so worried about our country and our world right now. And it bothers

me that so many people jump on a big anti Bush band wagon. Like he is the

culprit or something.

>

> I am the one who misspoke. And I should have addressed my message to

everyone, not you.

>

> I am not a big right winger. God forbid. But I am southern (from Georgia)

and perhaps more conservative than a lot of folks. And I often react too

quickly to some words without bothering to read the whole message.

>

> Love,

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Toni,

You are such a loving person. Thank you for your response. Sorry you worried

about it " all night long. " There is nothing for you to worry about.

We'll just have to stay tuned to see what happens and, as Alice might say, look

at the world " through loving eyes. " I guess the world means everyone, no

matter where they stand on Iraq or anything else.

Love,

Sara

Re: Feeding the Soul: was Addiction, Brain Damage " Dry

Drunk "

> Dearest Toni,

>

> I am so sorry that my message seemed to be a reaction to your post. It

really was not your post. It was an abundance of posts (which I now have

deleted so can't pull them up) that seemed to be so anti Bush that it

distressed me.

>

> Please forgive me for misunderstanding you. If anyone has done anything

wrong, it is I - not you.

>

> I am so worried about our country and our world right now. And it bothers

me that so many people jump on a big anti Bush band wagon. Like he is the

culprit or something.

>

> I am the one who misspoke. And I should have addressed my message to

everyone, not you.

>

> I am not a big right winger. God forbid. But I am southern (from Georgia)

and perhaps more conservative than a lot of folks. And I often react too

quickly to some words without bothering to read the whole message.

>

> Love,

> Sara

>

>

>

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