Re: Question about teeth and thyroid?

[Guest guest]

Joan,

A much neglected area.

Partner was suffering all sorts of problems with teeth and, especially, gums.

Dentist was muttering about taking most of them out and, if she could afford it,

getting implants.

But she couldn't even sit back in the chair properly without being in agony.

Upon diagnosis we started to understand what had happened. She still has sitting

problems. Some teeth are still a bit dodgy (i.e. tend to the loose end of the

scale). But her whole mouth is massively improved. Which is just as well because

she still could not sit or even lie in normal dental chairs.

In my view, the dentist should have known that thyroid disease can have severe

effects on the mouth and teeth. He did not. A more recent consultation with the

head of the clinic revealed that, while he was slightly more aware, he really

did not understand. Despite a receptionist who very obviously also suffers from

hypothyroidism (and sometimes looks like death slightly warmed over). And one of

the other dentist's mother is also severely hypothyroid and very ill because of

it.

In fact, I think the dentist had enough evidence to suggest to partner that she

should see her doctor about a possible thyroid problem. Has anyone here been

diagnosed by a dentist?

(Considering that we are now able with surprising accuracy to 'diagnose' people

we see in person, on TV or just as still photographs. Time after time, where an

answer is available, we are right. Family history photos have proved that

frequently. Why can't all medics have a 'diagnose by looks' course?)

Furthermore there are significant issues with using local anaesthetics in

hypothyroid sufferers - from memory, I think they should avoid using ones that

contain adrenaline (epinephrine).

Rod

>

> Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

>

> Joan

>

> ps if anyone is in the dental business here, please contact me.

>

> I just had a very bad experience, and still not resolved, I just need to know

if a dentist did something or just me.

>

[Guest guest]

Joan,

A much neglected area.

Partner was suffering all sorts of problems with teeth and, especially, gums.

Dentist was muttering about taking most of them out and, if she could afford it,

getting implants.

But she couldn't even sit back in the chair properly without being in agony.

Upon diagnosis we started to understand what had happened. She still has sitting

problems. Some teeth are still a bit dodgy (i.e. tend to the loose end of the

scale). But her whole mouth is massively improved. Which is just as well because

she still could not sit or even lie in normal dental chairs.

In my view, the dentist should have known that thyroid disease can have severe

effects on the mouth and teeth. He did not. A more recent consultation with the

head of the clinic revealed that, while he was slightly more aware, he really

did not understand. Despite a receptionist who very obviously also suffers from

hypothyroidism (and sometimes looks like death slightly warmed over). And one of

the other dentist's mother is also severely hypothyroid and very ill because of

it.

In fact, I think the dentist had enough evidence to suggest to partner that she

should see her doctor about a possible thyroid problem. Has anyone here been

diagnosed by a dentist?

(Considering that we are now able with surprising accuracy to 'diagnose' people

we see in person, on TV or just as still photographs. Time after time, where an

answer is available, we are right. Family history photos have proved that

frequently. Why can't all medics have a 'diagnose by looks' course?)

Furthermore there are significant issues with using local anaesthetics in

hypothyroid sufferers - from memory, I think they should avoid using ones that

contain adrenaline (epinephrine).

Rod

>

> Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

>

> Joan

>

> ps if anyone is in the dental business here, please contact me.

>

> I just had a very bad experience, and still not resolved, I just need to know

if a dentist did something or just me.

>

[Guest guest]

YES :)i was never well on $INthroid and was in pain all over from low t3.

muscle tension and pain and tmj-Like clenching 24/7. not grinding per Dentist

but i knew i clenched.. my muscles all over hurt.

btw i also had the famous Thryoid Scalloped-tongue (adn about 1000 other thyroid

and HPA Axis/adrenal fatigue related Signs and symptoms) i was a mess after

being left hypohtyordi for the Duration of my 38year thyroid " treatment " . tmj

like symptom s and etc

=ofcourse; like most kids who are hypothyrdoi/adrenal, i got cavities in ALL my

molars as a kid ; we had great dental care and good nutrition. but cavities are

VERY thyroid/adrenal health related.

===

those 2 things is what led me to having 2 of my fillinged-teeth break (1 year

apart!) note ; this did happen afte i started titrating from sihnthrodi to

armour.. but i know that Calcium handlign issues are Common in HYPOThryoid and

adrneal patients (the proof is out there in research texts btw! )

PAIN:

as my lifestress and age progressed:) my adrenals/HPA Axis and stress hadnling

got much worse =and i believe my thyrodi HOrmones/Free Ts were going even lower!

i had Sever pain and sensitivity! including tooth pain!! i would think there was

somehting wrong with 1 tooth for a month, resolve-- but appear in a tooth the

Other side of moutn etc . terrible.

black and blue markes; bruising:

=i also noted that whne the nurse took my blood, it hurt SO bad (i though it

was HER doing a bad job! and it left a Black and Blue mark /big ; lasted for 1

week. pain and clotting/brusinig issues! very common in hypot and adrneals ;

and the Stress Hormone Vasopressin! is reposnible water hadnling blood pressure

AND one of its 3 cell receptor Types deals with Blood clotting!

====

anyway; you have to optimize thyroid AND ALL stress hormones EG the HPA Axis

including adrenals! in order for Pain *sensitivity and Pain-handling systems be

restored.

btw Beta-Endorphins are our bodies' natural Opioid's! and BEs are made in the

hypothalamus at the same time the body is making ACTH ! (acth tells the adrenals

to make more corisol!)

my teeth pain and muslcepain etc etc have resolved for th emost part and its

clear to me Now that the thyodi and Addrneals/HPA axis health are direclty

connected to teeth:)

TCM and the NEURAL CREST:

OH and TCM says these parts are ALL in the Kidney Meridian !

and

MOdern Medicine admits they ALL come from teh same area,

called the Neural Crest, during our Embryonic development

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_crest

the other big " system " that is derived from the Neural Crest?

its the Autonomic Nervous System including our Fight or Fright system so

thyroid, adrenal, retina ,inner ear, s and portion of teeth come from the neural

crest

(basically much of the face and head too

Odontoblasts (dentin-producing cells) of the teeth.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_neural_crest

-Carol

PS i also have " scores " at the top of many of my molar/rounder teeth (Vs front

ones) my Dentist sees them before and calls them ?refractions?

Mine were Cured when i was taking PS (to lower stress response and high

cortisol/HPA axis!) i think coffee is bad too; lose minerals and raise coritsol

and adrenaline;bad

>

> Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

>

> Joan

>

> ps if anyone is in the dental business here, please contact me.

>

> I just had a very bad experience, and still not resolved, I just need to know

if a dentist did something or just me.

>

[Guest guest]

oh btw, my dentist also didn't ever comment on the color UNder my tongue!

and ofcourse i never looked there much:) but after i woke up:) and learned and

researched all about thyorid and Adrenal fatigue AND HPA axis problems,, i

realized that the dark color under my tongue, which should be Pink, was a sign

of high ACTH/MSH! (

NOTE: the well known 's pigment changes of mucous membrane tissue =

Charcoal purple/ Black (and some compalin of a dark blue) are actuallly caused

by the brain producing high amounts of ACTH and MSH, both of which act on

Pigment type cell receptors! (google the MSH system for more info on The

pigment/stress system!)

so, every one get a mirror and inspect their *whole body cuz Drs are SO used

to seeing IMO the 's discoloration on tons of their patietns =so DRs

actually think its a " NOrmal " variation! I " Called " my MD/dr on it and said HEy

i have changed , back and forth and back again during my life span.. and she was

not impressed and said everyone looks different uhh Charcoal/black/purple

mucous membrane is NOt Healthy; it may be COMMON but its not healthy or normal.

= thats when i realized that Drs are not even being taught the truth!

and the truth is that HPA Axis imbalanc/hyperactiviy is SO common that drs think

its Signs and SYmptoms are " normal "

btw, the 2 dark blue veins that are located on the under sid eof the tongue, by

TCM standards, should only extend about half way down the tongue and should be a

disctinct line/blue against the deep pinkn color of the rest of that area.

yeah to the Epinephrine comment ROd; i used to get a paniced feeling in the

dentist office but Only After he had given me the numbing/epi shot!

i must remember to tell them to put that in my Chart ! no EPI

-Carol

> >

> > Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

> >

> > Joan

> >

> > ps if anyone is in the dental business here, please contact me.

> >

> > I just had a very bad experience, and still not resolved, I just need to

know if a dentist did something or just me.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad to see this discussion started. I just had my semi-annual cleaning

and was discussing gum health with the hygienist. She started to say that

people with autoimmune conditions have more trouble, so I of course offered my

Hashimoto's as possibly contributing to my gum problems.

She offhandedly dismissed the idea that thyroid creates any problems in the

mouth! I like her very much, but wanted to smack her (figuratively speaking of

course)!

Marilyn

>

> Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

>

> Joan

[Guest guest]

I have tmj and clinch not grind my teeth. I had braces put on at 34. My ortho dr didn't want to do my braces until I had surgery for tmj. I saw the oral surgeon and he wouldn't do the surgery because of my clenching. I did braces and I am very happy with the results but clenching hasn't changed. Some nights I use oral gel when I go to bed so I can rest.Your growing up story is so similar to mine. Very interesting.SonyaSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: ms_sisyphus_00 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:15:08 +0000To: <Thyroiditis >Subject: Re: Question about teeth and thyroid? oh btw, my dentist also didn't ever comment on the color UNder my tongue! and ofcourse i never looked there much:) but after i woke up:) and learned and researched all about thyorid and Adrenal fatigue AND HPA axis problems,, i realized that the dark color under my tongue, which should be Pink, was a sign of high ACTH/MSH! ( NOTE: the well known 's pigment changes of mucous membrane tissue = Charcoal purple/ Black (and some compalin of a dark blue) are actuallly caused by the brain producing high amounts of ACTH and MSH, both of which act on Pigment type cell receptors! (google the MSH system for more info on The pigment/stress system!) so, every one get a mirror and inspect their *whole body cuz Drs are SO used to seeing IMO the 's discoloration on tons of their patietns =so DRs actually think its a " NOrmal " variation! I " Called " my MD/dr on it and said HEy i have changed , back and forth and back again during my life span.. and she was not impressed and said everyone looks different uhh Charcoal/black/purple mucous membrane is NOt Healthy; it may be COMMON but its not healthy or normal. = thats when i realized that Drs are not even being taught the truth! and the truth is that HPA Axis imbalanc/hyperactiviy is SO common that drs think its Signs and SYmptoms are " normal " btw, the 2 dark blue veins that are located on the under sid eof the tongue, by TCM standards, should only extend about half way down the tongue and should be a disctinct line/blue against the deep pinkn color of the rest of that area. yeah to the Epinephrine comment ROd; i used to get a paniced feeling in the dentist office but Only After he had given me the numbing/epi shot! i must remember to tell them to put that in my Chart ! no EPI -Carol > > > > Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid? > > > > Joan > > > > ps if anyone is in the dental business here, please contact me. > > > > I just had a very bad experience, and still not resolved, I just need to know if a dentist did something or just me. > > >

[Guest guest]

Joan and all,

Thyroid and poor dental health go together. When the AI system causes thyroid

dysfunction malabsorption kicks in and the body slows. This all causes our

dental health to plummet, too, along with Adrenals and so on. Our teeth weaken

from malabsorption which in turns affects our gums and so on.

I've had bad experiences at the dentist. They have even given me fluoride even

though I gave explicit directions for NO FLOURIDE EVER!

My new dentist doesn't agree on my no-fluoride philosophy but respects my wishes

and has that written in huge letters on my chart.

~Bj

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> > > Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

> > >

> > > Joan

> > >

> > > ps if anyone is in the dental business here, please contact me.

> > >

> > > I just had a very bad experience, and still not resolved, I just need to

know if a dentist did something or just me.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-Hi, I asked my dentist, (who has all my money) whether any of this could be my

thyroid, and he said NO.

I don't believe it for one minute. Since when they lower my meds the nails

break, and hair falls out, and muscles bother me more.

as soon as they upped it, all that gets better. hmmm.

You all are right, these drs either don't care, or aren't being taught to know

some of this stuff.

The worse part is we suffer.

Thank you all for writing.

Its good we talk about issues, then we do realize we aren't alone in our issues,

and problems.

Thank you again,

sincerely,

Joan

-- In Thyroiditis , " Marilyn " wrote:

>

> I'm so glad to see this discussion started. I just had my semi-annual

cleaning and was discussing gum health with the hygienist. She started to say

that people with autoimmune conditions have more trouble, so I of course offered

my Hashimoto's as possibly contributing to my gum problems.

>

> She offhandedly dismissed the idea that thyroid creates any problems in the

mouth! I like her very much, but wanted to smack her (figuratively speaking of

course)!

>

> Marilyn

>

>

> >

> > Hi, has anyone had major issues with their teeth because of thyroid?

> >

> > Joan

>

[Guest guest]

funny Joan thanks for making me laugh

>

> -Hi, I asked my dentist, (who has all my money)

whether any of this could be my thyroid, and he said NO.