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* klyoung2424@... (klyoung2424@...) [010522 10:23]:

* Subject: It's all homogenized:

> Does anyone know if it is possible to make kefir from homogenized

> milk? I am from NC and the best quatlity milk I have been able to

> find in the area is unfortunately pasturized and homogenized (but

> pasture fed). Sally says in her cookbook to use unhomogenized milk,

> but I am at a loss so far for that. So far I have only been able to

> make yougurt cheese and whey because all the other dairy recipes

> mention to use unhomogenized products.

Sure you can make kefir with it. In fact, I'd bet that

most people in this country making kefir use pasteurized,

homogenized milk. If that's the best you can find, go

ahead.

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Kefir can be made with a large variety of milks

included homogenized milk. It works just fine.

Now my personal taste goes for kefir of raw milk and

for me it will be goats. But if you have a camel at

hand, you might want to try it. Just kidding...

Roelof

--- klyoung2424@... a écrit : > Does anyone know

if it is possible to make kefir

> from homogenized

> milk? I am from NC and the best quatlity milk I

> have been able to

> find in the area is unfortunately pasturized and

> homogenized (but

> pasture fed). Sally says in her cookbook to use

> unhomogenized milk,

> but I am at a loss so far for that. So far I have

> only been able to

> make yougurt cheese and whey because all the other

> dairy recipes

> mention to use unhomogenized products.

>

>

>

>

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Wait a minute. Making kefir with homogenized milk

should work in all cases. I wonder which kind a

" kefir " culture you've been using. You should use the

real kefir with the large grains.

Roelof

--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > I wasn't able to get

homogenized milk to work. You

> may have more luck than I

> did however.

>

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I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The people

from the kefir forum who reported about GEM wheren't

all successfull and happy with their so called

" kefir " .

I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make kefir

when you put it in any kind of milk.

Yours, roelof

--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains I

got came from GEM cultures.

>

>

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Roelof,

I would like to start making kefir and piima, and would like to know the

best place to get the starters...I was going to order from GEM, but if there

is a better place, I'd like to know about it.

Thanks,

Becky

>From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

>Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST)

>

>,

>

>I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The people

>from the kefir forum who reported about GEM wheren't

>all successfull and happy with their so called

> " kefir " .

>I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

>grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make kefir

>when you put it in any kind of milk.

>

>Yours, roelof

>

>--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains I

>got came from GEM cultures.

> >

> >

>

>

>=====

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>04 88

>

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Roelof,

I am surprised to hear that about GEM cultures too. What kind do you

use? I have only seen kefir cultures in the GEM catalog and the

Omega nutrition catalog. Thanks to you and everyone else for their

comments on kefir!

--- In @y..., Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@y...>

wrote:

> ,

>

> I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The people

> from the kefir forum who reported about GEM wheren't

> all successfull and happy with their so called

> " kefir " .

> I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

> grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make kefir

> when you put it in any kind of milk.

>

> Yours, roelof

>

> --- BrenRuble@a... a écrit : > The kefir grains I

> got came from GEM cultures.

> >

> >

>

>

> =====

> Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3 1258/End-User Automation

Tel 02/228 04 88

>

> ___________________________________________________________

>

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Roelof,

What do you charge for your kefir curds, I'd be interested in these as well.

a Augustine

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----- Original Message -----

From: Roelof Fransen

Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:27 AM

Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

, I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The peoplefrom the kefir forum who reported about GEM wheren'tall successfull and happy with their so called"kefir".I can airmail you some real, healthy and stronggrains. With that it's "impossible" to not make kefirwhen you put it in any kind of milk.Yours, roelof--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains Igot came from GEM cultures. > > =====Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 04 88___________________________________________________________

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Becky,

I'd be glad to send you some kefir grains of mine.

Wait a week or 3 till I've recovered my stock. I've

been sending all over the world the past few weeks.

Till then you could have a look at the egroup

" Kefir_Making " for more info. There's also a database

where you could enter your name and maybe someone

nearer to you would answer that he can also send you

grains. The address for the database of worldwide

kefir posters/senders is :

http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.asp

Now, tell me what's piima ?. I'm really curious !.

In a spirit to help, Roelof

PS: mind you if I tell you that I believe the Kefir

tradition is : " give your extra grains away for free " .

My postal cost is around 5 US dollars.

Now I know what money costs but still I don't like it.

So if you have some equivalent in natural stuff to

trade I'm open. Maybe Piima grains ?

--- Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@...> a écrit :

> Roelof,

>

> I would like to start making kefir and piima, and

> would like to know the

> best place to get the starters...I was going to

> order from GEM, but if there

> is a better place, I'd like to know about it.

>

> Thanks,

> Becky

>

>

> >From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: It's all

> homogenized

> >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST)

> >

> >,

> >

> >I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The

> people

> >from the kefir forum who reported about GEM

> wheren't

> >all successfull and happy with their so called

> > " kefir " .

> >I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

> >grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make

> kefir

> >when you put it in any kind of milk.

> >

> >Yours, roelof

> >

> >--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains

> I

> >got came from GEM cultures.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >=====

> >Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3

> 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228

> >04 88

> >

>

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> >

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I really don't know much about GEM's cultures. I know

they provide a lot of things but as far as kefir is

concerned what's the point to buy a starter if you can

get it for free as it use to be. Kefir has been handed

over since generations from one individual to another.

No profit here please !. Kombusha should be the same.

It grows so easily !.

For info on kefir please refere to the extra super

egroup on named " Kefir_Making " which is very

active. Ask Dominic and other posters for all you want

to know about kefir and had never dared to ask before.

Dominic's site is fantastic. Have a look at :

http://www.chariot.net.au/~dna/index.html

In a spirit to serve, Roelof

--- klyoung2424@... a écrit : > Roelof,

>

> I am surprised to hear that about GEM cultures too.

> What kind do you

> use? I have only seen kefir cultures in the GEM

> catalog and the

> Omega nutrition catalog. Thanks to you and everyone

> else for their

> comments on kefir!

>

>

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The

> people

> > from the kefir forum who reported about GEM

> wheren't

> > all successfull and happy with their so called

> > " kefir " .

> > I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

> > grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make

> kefir

> > when you put it in any kind of milk.

> >

> > Yours, roelof

> >

> > --- BrenRuble@a... a écrit : > The kefir grains I

> > got came from GEM cultures.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3

> 1258/End-User Automation

> Tel 02/228 04 88

> >

> >

>

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a,

I'd been glad to offer you some grains of mine. Please

refer to the other messages I just wrote back to other

posters on this group concerning info on kefir.

Send me your postal coordinates or check on the

worlwide kefir database for anyone closer to you.

If you don't find someone I'll be ready to send in a

few weeks when my stock has recovered.

Thanks for your interest and your " good " wishes,

Roelof

--- a Augustine <augustines@...> a écrit :

> Roelof,

>

> What do you charge for your kefir curds, I'd be

> interested in these as well.

>

> a Augustine

>

> I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.

> I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.

> I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit

> alive.

> I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in

> life appear much bigger.

> I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.

> I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you

> possess.

> I wish you enough ''Hello's " to get you through the

> final goodbye.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Roelof Fransen

>

> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:27 AM

> Subject: Re: It's all

> homogenized

>

>

> ,

>

> I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The

> people

> from the kefir forum who reported about GEM

> wheren't

> all successfull and happy with their so called

> " kefir " .

> I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

> grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make

> kefir

> when you put it in any kind of milk.

>

> Yours, roelof

>

> --- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains

> I

> got came from GEM cultures.

> >

> >

>

>

> =====

> Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3

> 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 04 88

>

>

>

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Wow, Roelof, that would be great! All I know about Piima at this point is

that it is a cultured milk product that tastes milder than both yogurt and

kefir. So, I don't have any starter yet...

If you are interested in either culinary or medicinal herbs, I've got lots

to barter with or I also make homemade soap...Let me know if that interests

you and we can discuss the details...

Becky

>From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

>Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:32:13 +0200 (CEST)

>

>Becky,

>

>I'd be glad to send you some kefir grains of mine.

>Wait a week or 3 till I've recovered my stock. I've

>been sending all over the world the past few weeks.

>Till then you could have a look at the egroup

> " Kefir_Making " for more info. There's also a database

>where you could enter your name and maybe someone

>nearer to you would answer that he can also send you

>grains. The address for the database of worldwide

>kefir posters/senders is :

>

>http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.asp

>

>Now, tell me what's piima ?. I'm really curious !.

>

>In a spirit to help, Roelof

>

>PS: mind you if I tell you that I believe the Kefir

>tradition is : " give your extra grains away for free " .

>My postal cost is around 5 US dollars.

>Now I know what money costs but still I don't like it.

>So if you have some equivalent in natural stuff to

>trade I'm open. Maybe Piima grains ?

>

>

>--- Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@...> a écrit :

> > Roelof,

> >

> > I would like to start making kefir and piima, and

> > would like to know the

> > best place to get the starters...I was going to

> > order from GEM, but if there

> > is a better place, I'd like to know about it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Becky

> >

> >

> > >From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Subject: Re: It's all

> > homogenized

> > >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST)

> > >

> > >,

> > >

> > >I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The

> > people

> > >from the kefir forum who reported about GEM

> > wheren't

> > >all successfull and happy with their so called

> > > " kefir " .

> > >I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

> > >grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make

> > kefir

> > >when you put it in any kind of milk.

> > >

> > >Yours, roelof

> > >

> > >--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains

> > I

> > >got came from GEM cultures.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >=====

> > >Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3

> > 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228

> > >04 88

> > >

> >

> >___________________________________________________________

> > >

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Becky,

I will be ready to send you some grains in a few

weeks. Still, I would advise you to enter a demand for

grains in the database (for the link, see previous

message). Maybe someone close to where you live will

answer and that would be more efficient.

If nothing comes out then I send you some grains and

would be glad to try your homemade soap or have some

of your herbs. I would really appreciate this.

We keep in touch,

Roelof

--- Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@...> a écrit :

> Wow, Roelof, that would be great! All I know about

> Piima at this point is

> that it is a cultured milk product that tastes

> milder than both yogurt and

> kefir. So, I don't have any starter yet...

>

> If you are interested in either culinary or

> medicinal herbs, I've got lots

> to barter with or I also make homemade soap...Let me

> know if that interests

> you and we can discuss the details...

>

> Becky

>

>

> >From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: It's all

> homogenized

> >Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:32:13 +0200 (CEST)

> >

> >Becky,

> >

> >I'd be glad to send you some kefir grains of mine.

> >Wait a week or 3 till I've recovered my stock. I've

> >been sending all over the world the past few weeks.

> >Till then you could have a look at the egroup

> > " Kefir_Making " for more info. There's also a

> database

> >where you could enter your name and maybe someone

> >nearer to you would answer that he can also send

> you

> >grains. The address for the database of worldwide

> >kefir posters/senders is :

> >

>

>http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.asp

> >

> >Now, tell me what's piima ?. I'm really curious !.

> >

> >In a spirit to help, Roelof

> >

> >PS: mind you if I tell you that I believe the Kefir

> >tradition is : " give your extra grains away for

> free " .

> >My postal cost is around 5 US dollars.

> >Now I know what money costs but still I don't like

> it.

> >So if you have some equivalent in natural stuff to

> >trade I'm open. Maybe Piima grains ?

> >

> >

> >--- Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@...> a

> écrit :

> > > Roelof,

> > >

> > > I would like to start making kefir and piima,

> and

> > > would like to know the

> > > best place to get the starters...I was going to

> > > order from GEM, but if there

> > > is a better place, I'd like to know about it.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Becky

> > >

> > >

> > > >From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>

> > > >Reply-

> > > >

> > > >Subject: Re: It's all

> > > homogenized

> > > >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST)

> > > >

> > > >,

> > > >

> > > >I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The

> > > people

> > > >from the kefir forum who reported about GEM

> > > wheren't

> > > >all successfull and happy with their so called

> > > > " kefir " .

> > > >I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong

> > > >grains. With that it's " impossible " to not make

> > > kefir

> > > >when you put it in any kind of milk.

> > > >

> > > >Yours, roelof

> > > >

> > > >--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir

> grains

> > > I

> > > >got came from GEM cultures.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >=====

> > > >Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3

> > > 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228

> > > >04 88

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I would love to get some kefir grains. My address is:

Ruble

1500 SW Ridgecrest Drive

Lake Oswego, Oregon 97034

Please let me know what I owe you for shipping. Thanks -

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OK Roelof...

I have tried the website that has the database for kefir posters on different days and different times and each time I try to send my email off to someone to ask about grains it gives me errors and says it was unsuccessful. I was trying to do as you suggested to find someone closer, but have failed. I know it will be a while before you have any to share, is there others on the Kefir making list that share as well. I have thought about joining this, but have tried to stay off of groups where there are too many emails to wade through every day!!

a Augustine

I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye.

----- Original Message -----

From: Roelof Fransen

Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:32 AM

Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

Becky,I'd be glad to send you some kefir grains of mine.Wait a week or 3 till I've recovered my stock. I'vebeen sending all over the world the past few weeks.Till then you could have a look at the egroup"Kefir_Making" for more info. There's also a databasewhere you could enter your name and maybe someonenearer to you would answer that he can also send yougrains. The address for the database of worldwidekefir posters/senders is :http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.aspNow, tell me what's piima ?. I'm really curious !.In a spirit to help, RoelofPS: mind you if I tell you that I believe the Kefirtradition is : "give your extra grains away for free".My postal cost is around 5 US dollars.Now I know what money costs but still I don't like it.So if you have some equivalent in natural stuff totrade I'm open. Maybe Piima grains ?--- Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@...> a écrit :> Roelof,> > I would like to start making kefir and piima, and> would like to know the > best place to get the starters...I was going to> order from GEM, but if there > is a better place, I'd like to know about it.> > Thanks,> Becky> > > >From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>> >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: It's all> homogenized> >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST)> >> >,> >> >I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The> people> >from the kefir forum who reported about GEM> wheren't> >all successfull and happy with their so called> >"kefir".> >I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong> >grains. With that it's "impossible" to not make> kefir> >when you put it in any kind of milk.> >> >Yours, roelof> >> >--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains> I> >got came from GEM cultures.> > > > > >> >> >> >=====> >Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3> 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 > >04 88> >>>___________________________________________________________> >

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Well,

I went to read some past posts from the kefir list and saw there was someone who would like to share...I have emailed her.

a Augustine

I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye.

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From: Roelof Fransen

Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:32 AM

Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

Becky,I'd be glad to send you some kefir grains of mine.Wait a week or 3 till I've recovered my stock. I'vebeen sending all over the world the past few weeks.Till then you could have a look at the egroup"Kefir_Making" for more info. There's also a databasewhere you could enter your name and maybe someonenearer to you would answer that he can also send yougrains. The address for the database of worldwidekefir posters/senders is :http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.aspNow, tell me what's piima ?. I'm really curious !.In a spirit to help, RoelofPS: mind you if I tell you that I believe the Kefirtradition is : "give your extra grains away for free".My postal cost is around 5 US dollars.Now I know what money costs but still I don't like it.So if you have some equivalent in natural stuff totrade I'm open. Maybe Piima grains ?--- Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@...> a écrit :> Roelof,> > I would like to start making kefir and piima, and> would like to know the > best place to get the starters...I was going to> order from GEM, but if there > is a better place, I'd like to know about it.> > Thanks,> Becky> > > >From: Roelof Fransen <roeloffransen@...>> >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: It's all> homogenized> >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:39 +0200 (CEST)> >> >,> >> >I was sure you didn't use the real kefir. The> people> >from the kefir forum who reported about GEM> wheren't> >all successfull and happy with their so called> >"kefir".> >I can airmail you some real, healthy and strong> >grains. With that it's "impossible" to not make> kefir> >when you put it in any kind of milk.> >> >Yours, roelof> >> >--- BrenRuble@... a écrit : > The kefir grains> I> >got came from GEM cultures.> > > > > >> >> >> >=====> >Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3> 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 > >04 88> >>>___________________________________________________________> >

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a,

I want to let the owner of the site know the troubles

you had with the database. Also I can ask for you to

the people on the Kefir list if there is anyone close

to you ready to send grains. Where are you from ?.

Yours, roelof

--- a Augustine <augustines@...> a écrit :

> OK Roelof...

>

> I have tried the website that has the database for

> kefir posters on different days and different times

> and each time I try to send my email off to someone

> to ask about grains it gives me errors and says it

> was unsuccessful. I was trying to do as you

> suggested to find someone closer, but have failed. I

> know it will be a while before you have any to

> share, is there others on the Kefir making list that

> share as well. I have thought about joining this,

> but have tried to stay off of groups where there are

> too many emails to wade through every day!!

>

=====

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Ok, let me know.

Roelof

--- a Augustine <augustines@...> a écrit :

> Well,

>

> I went to read some past posts from the kefir list

> and saw there was someone who would like to

> share...I have emailed her.

>

> a Augustine

>

>

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Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 04

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Got it, thanks for all the information..

a Augustine

I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye.

----- Original Message -----

From: Roelof Fransen

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:47 PM

Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

Ok, let me know.Roelof--- a Augustine <augustines@...> a écrit :> Well,> > I went to read some past posts from the kefir list> and saw there was someone who would like to> share...I have emailed her.> > a Augustine> >=====Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 04 88___________________________________________________________

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I noticed today that someone on the kefir site mentioned the same problems and I am dealing with Adnan with getting some grains. Is this the keeper of the site? Seemed to know about checking into the problem..

a Augustine

I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish you enough ''Hello's" to get you through the final goodbye.

----- Original Message -----

From: Roelof Fransen

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

a,I want to let the owner of the site know the troublesyou had with the database. Also I can ask for you tothe people on the Kefir list if there is anyone closeto you ready to send grains. Where are you from ?.Yours, roelof--- a Augustine <augustines@...> a écrit :> OK Roelof...> > I have tried the website that has the database for> kefir posters on different days and different times> and each time I try to send my email off to someone> to ask about grains it gives me errors and says it> was unsuccessful. I was trying to do as you> suggested to find someone closer, but have failed. I> know it will be a while before you have any to> share, is there others on the Kefir making list that> share as well. I have thought about joining this,> but have tried to stay off of groups where there are> too many emails to wade through every day!!> =====Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3 1258/End-User Automation Tel 02/228 04 88___________________________________________________________

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I also had trouble getting an e-mail sent on the kefir website, but I

used a little trick I know to get my e-mail to the person I wanted to

inquire to. Here is what you can do: When you are on the webpage

listing the person you want to write to, click on View at the top of

the screen and then choose Source. This will give you the code

behind the webpage. You can scroll down and look for that person's e-

mail address and then send them an e-mail! The e-mail address has to

be somewhere in the code since the site sends that person e-mail. It

worked for me and I already got a reply.

--- In @y..., " a Augustine " <augustines@b...>

wrote:

> I noticed today that someone on the kefir site mentioned the same

problems and I am dealing with Adnan with getting some grains. Is

this the keeper of the site? Seemed to know about checking into the

problem..

> a Augustine

>

> I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.

> I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.

> I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.

> I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear

much bigger.

> I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.

> I wish you nough loss to appreciate all that you possess.

> I wish you enough ''Hello's " to get you through the final goodbye.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Roelof Fransen

> @y...

> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:45 PM

> Subject: Re: It's all homogenized

>

>

> a,

>

> I want to let the owner of the site know the troubles

> you had with the database. Also I can ask for you to

> the people on the Kefir list if there is anyone close

> to you ready to send grains. Where are you from ?.

>

> Yours, roelof

>

> --- a Augustine <augustines@b...> a écrit :

> > OK Roelof...

> >

> > I have tried the website that has the database for

> > kefir posters on different days and different times

> > and each time I try to send my email off to someone

> > to ask about grains it gives me errors and says it

> > was unsuccessful. I was trying to do as you

> > suggested to find someone closer, but have failed. I

> > know it will be a while before you have any to

> > share, is there others on the Kefir making list that

> > share as well. I have thought about joining this,

> > but have tried to stay off of groups where there are

> > too many emails to wade through every day!!

> >

>

>

> =====

> Roelof FRANSENDPCi Project HerculesAB+3 1258/End-User Automation

Tel 02/228 04 88

>

> ___________________________________________________________

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