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-I want to start with a HUGE thank you to Adam for taking over and

doing so much great work while I was away. I don't know where to

start by thanking you!

Now, on to the other questions. I am not perfect (I know this

shocks some of you, lol) but I am happy with my part. No, I

couldn't nor would I want to cause direct sufferering and murder of

a chicken. I guess that's why I became vegan in the first place.

But, I do not buy new books, I use paper (not as well as you) over

again (Adam took junk mail paper, punched holes in it and used it as

note paper for the lectures on our cruise impressive huh?) I buy

much of my stuff at the thrift store, including shoes, I keep stuff

for years and reuse I even reuse my ziploc baggies, I put the code

number on them for whole foods grains and beans, etc and bring them

back to the store, it also saves $0.05 for each bag that you do that

with. I do not use petroleum products, I use mostly organic,

chemical free products for my body, head, etc, I buy the whole foods

tp which is something like 70% post consumer waste. I don't use

napkins, papertowels, etc I recylce all my junk mail, boxes, etc.

My cosmetics, personal care products, household cleaning agents are

toxin free, animal product, animal cruelty free. EVeryone knows I

do not give cards (for the most part) and I don't wrap gifts or take

bags when I go to stores). I do drive a gas guzzler (in some

respects) and I do get pissed off when others do not concern

themselves with the earth. I just posted in Sin's group about how

detrimental the effects of raising animals, cattle, etc for food is

on the environment. I am sorry if I'm offending some ppl here as I

care deeply for those even who are meat eaters :) but I do get upset

over ppl still eating meat no only for the sake of the torture to

these animals but b/c it is so bad for the environment.

I'm really tired, I will answer a few more emails and get going......

Reg

-- In VeganMacrobiotics , <abaylus@l...> wrote:

> Greetings, all!

>

>

> Some thoughts to share with the group for discussion...

>

>

> Reggie asked about those who are signed on as members of the

group, but do

> not participate. I suspect that many of them may have unsubscribed

or

> simply delete the VeganMacrobiotics e-mails as soon as they're

received. I

> say this because I encounter more people who want to keep their e-

mails to

> a minimum and are turned off by " off-topic " discussion groups. So,

if

> we're content with who this Group serves now, then all is well. If

there's

> a vision for reaching and including a larger community of people,

then we

> may want to address how and what we communicate through general

audience

> e-mails.

>

>

> The discussion about what someone calls themselves puzzled me. The

> implication that I heard was that someone who calls themselves a

> " vegetarian " must live by a certain creeed.

>

> If being a vegetarian means respecting the lives of all beings--all

> creatures, then does that include activities beyond eating?

>

> When I apprenticed with the Bear Tribe in Spokane, Washington--a

group

> founded by Sun Bear, a Native American who was dedicated to

teaching his

> heritage and traditions to other cultures for the purpose of

facilitating

> healing on and of this planet, one of our survival exercises was to

> capture, kill, clean and cook a chicken for a meal. Of course,

many of us

> considered ourselves to be vegetarians and protested. And here's

what we

> were directed to consider...

>

> Are our clothes, our shoes, our belts, handbags, wallets and other

items

> free of animal products?

>

> Do we use any cosmetics, personal care products, household

cleaning agents

> that use animal products as ingredients or that are tested on

animals?

>

> Do we support the lumber and paper industries by buying new homes,

> frequenting newly built establishments, buying new books,

magazines,

> newspapers, greeting cards, toilet paper and other papers

products? Do we

> support two industries that are dessimating the homes of thousands

and

> thousands of creatures on a daily basis?

>

> Do we support the petroleum industry which is the ultimate

polluter of

> this planet? Do we drive cars? And, perhaps even more significant,

do we

> use plastics in our daily life? Do we support the plastics

industry which

> is a huge consumer of petroleum?

>

> Our ecological footprint is huge. The way we live as a " modern " ,

> " high-tech " , " first-world " nation is obviously boardering on

insanity.

> And, if we're going to choose to make a transition to

sustainability, we

> must start somewhere. So, perhaps starting at the dinner plate is a

> perfect beginning.

>

>

> The key though is recognizing that it's only a beginning. Earth

needs

> dramatic changes in everything that humans do--or the choice to

change

> will probably be made for us. Many predict that within our

lifetimes, we

> will be confronted with diminished supplies of water and oil on

this

> planet and with a further dramatic loss of fertile farm lands.

>

>

> Whatever we do now to release our dependence on our current

> infrastructure, then later changes will be that much easier. The

harder

> people cling to the way the world is now, the harder they will

fall.

>

> If we choose to let go now, then we'll simply flow with the

changes. REM

> summed up this sentiment in the 80s with these song lyrics:

>

> " It's the end of the world as we now it, and I feel fine... "

>

>

> So, I raise these questions:

>

>

> Is " diet " really just a question of what we choose to eat for our

personal

> contentment?

>

> Or can we see the huge impact that our choices have on the entire

planet?

>

>

> Do we take responsibility for all the by-products of our choices?

>

>

> Do we see the huge impact--resource usage, waste production, and

land-fill

> demands--that all packaged products have on this planet?

>

>

> Are we being " better " people by remaining silent and enabling an

entire

> society's destructive behavior?

>

>

> How can we embrace a " live and let live " attitude when so many

actions of

> others and ourselves mean the deaths of thousands and thousands of

> creatures--and seriously put in peril survivability on this planet?

>

>

> What do we do at this very moment if we know deep in our hearts

that if we

> really wanted to create a sustainable future for--not just our

> grandchildren--but our current children right now we would have to

make

> radical changes today?

>

>

> I look forward to hearing what each of you have to share...

>

>

>

> Love and peace,

> Adam

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