Re: New Article on Vitamin D

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I take 5,000 iu of Vit D a day. Mine was really low also.

Subject: New Article on Vitamin DTo: Thyroiditis Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:50 PM

I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!) .http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamindMiaja**

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Hi Miaja,

I've been reading lately a lot of vitamin D also. As my dh's doctor called to

say that after testing dh's vitamin D levels that he had levels he'd expect in

an elderly old man.(he is 41) Will be ordering dh a d supplement tomorrow, as

we dont get sun like California does.

I am ordering Biotics Research ..Bio-D-Mulsion drops as my reading on the site

Mercola.com suggested to supplement with D3 and a non-synthetic vitamin d.

Thanks for posting your article, it was helpful. I'm not sure yet the amount

of D i will supplement him with. I will definitely buy the 1000iu drops now as

it sounds like even 2000 would be ok...

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> I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D

tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!).

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> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/manyamericansfallshortontheirvitamind

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> Miaja**

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Read this too, also low D levels and I live in AZ - and have already had enough sun this year to have started a tan! I don't wear sunblock either. Think some of us have either a genetic predispostion to NOT produce D when in the sun, or some other aspect of our being (maybe the thyroiditis itself) keeps that from happening. So much they (and we) don't know

Candace

Subject: New Article on Vitamin DTo: Thyroiditis Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM

I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!) .http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamindMiaja**

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I also think they need to throw out the " lack of sun " theory in low D

production. Were they even testing Vit. D levels in people 20 years ago? My

levels were low in CA too. Vit. D is is actually considered a hormone, so it

could be when we have a hormone imbalance our D is thrown off too.

How many of you take your D with calcium? I won't restart the thread on

controversy of taking D alone (without calcium), I was just curious how many of

you did that. I have been alternating my iron and calcium pill every other

night, so I don't always take my D with calcium.

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> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM

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> I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D

tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!) .

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> http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamind

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> Miaja**

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Hi

I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents' worth:

I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered 'normal' to compensate.

Lynne

To: Thyroiditis Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:25:56 PMSubject: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

I also think they need to throw out the "lack of sun" theory in low D production. Were they even testing Vit. D levels in people 20 years ago? My levels were low in CA too. Vit. D is is actually considered a hormone, so it could be when we have a hormone imbalance our D is thrown off too.How many of you take your D with calcium? I won't restart the thread on controversy of taking D alone (without calcium), I was just curious how many of you did that. I have been alternating my iron and calcium pill every other night, so I don't always take my D with calcium. ~> > > From: starmoonfairy <bellalunatoys@ ...>> Subject: New Article on Vitamin D> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM> > > > > > > I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!) .> > http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamind> >

Miaja**>

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I don't even take calcium!!! Have had calcium oxalate kidney stones because I wasn't metabolizing my calcium correctly - maybe cause I wasn't producing vitamin D??? Anyway, this was years ago and was recommended NOT to take calcium.

Candace

Subject: Re: New Article on Vitamin DTo: Thyroiditis Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 5:25 PM

I also think they need to throw out the "lack of sun" theory in low D production. Were they even testing Vit. D levels in people 20 years ago? My levels were low in CA too. Vit. D is is actually considered a hormone, so it could be when we have a hormone imbalance our D is thrown off too.How many of you take your D with calcium? I won't restart the thread on controversy of taking D alone (without calcium), I was just curious how many of you did that. I have been alternating my iron and calcium pill every other night, so I don't always take my D with calcium. ~> > > From: starmoonfairy <bellalunatoys@ ...>> Subject: New Article on Vitamin D> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM> > > > > > > I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!)

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i don't know,, but i am kinda worried that Vit D is the next " Bandwagon " .

Medical community used to be TALK talk talk about : high cholesterol -and

avoid Eggs at all costs!

and avoid butter and saturated fats!

, and now we are learning that Cholesterol is actually good for us (EG Adrenals

NEED cholesterol to make all the hormones they do) (Plus Calcitonin and bone

health are affected by LOW Cholesterol /statins according to those looking into

Statin DRugs

EX) the Former NASA astronaut/DR on his WEbsite about statins and cholesterol!)

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i keep thinking about the ALternative DRS who say that Thyroid and/or Adrenal

Fatigue patients=(And basically thats everyone in the US have problems with

Calcium Metabolism,, EG putting calcium ON soft tissue (like arteries, skin,

eyes) instead of IN teeth and bones...

=i just don't trust Big Medicine any longer,,,,

these are the same folks who say dairy is so great for us,, but WE have much

more osteoporosis than do the Asians who eat LOW dairy

and etc.

-Carol

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Carol, I agree with you on NOT taking huge amounts of Vitamin D. Since Vitamin

D can pull calcium from the bones if calcium is not at an adequate or ideal

level along with magnesium and zinc. Plus vitamin D works in synergy with

vitamin A. Taking a high dose of one throws the other off and new problems

appear.

Since both vitamins A & D are fat-soluble vitamins anyone with metabolic issues

are likely low in both vitamins. This includes any dietary intolerances and

IBS. If that's not enough, if zinc and/or iron is low it can deplete vitamins A

& D. In addition, research shows that taking vitamin A in huge doses can

contribute to bone density loss among other things.

All in all -- the key is NOT to ingest TOO MUCH or take a huge amount of any ONE

supplement.

~Bj

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I am very new to this group and was diagnosed last Thurday with Hashimoto. My doctor recommend radioactive iodine treatment. I am 32 years old and don't really have any symptoms other than fatigue and a stare (? something the doctor said she could tell when she gave me an eye test) is there anything I should know or be aware of ? I am not on any medications and don't take any vitamins.

From: Lynne craftybritgal@... tSubject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin DTo: Thyroiditis Received: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM

Hi

I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents' worth:

I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered 'normal' to compensate.

Lynne

To: Thyroiditis Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:25:56 PMSubject: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

I also think they need to throw out the "lack of sun" theory in low D production. Were they even testing Vit. D levels in people 20 years ago? My levels were low in CA too. Vit. D is is actually considered a hormone, so it could be when we have a hormone imbalance our D is thrown off too.How many of you take your D with calcium? I won't restart the thread on controversy of taking D alone (without calcium), I was just curious how many of you did that. I have been alternating my iron and calcium pill every other night, so I don't always take my D with calcium. ~> > > From: starmoonfairy <bellalunatoys@ ...>> Subject: New Article on Vitamin D> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM> > > > > > > I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!) .> > http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamind> >

Miaja**>

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My first suggestion would be to get another opinion! My diagnosis of auto-immune thyroiditis (he did not label it Hashimoto - most assume that's what it is as its the most common), did not come with anything as drastic as you are facing. I'm about 2 or 3 weeks into my diagnosis and the doctor isn't even going to look at me again until mid-April. Is he right? Is your doctor?

Get a second opinion please

Candace

From: Lynne craftybritgal@ yahoo.com tSubject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin DTo: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. comReceived: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM

Hi

I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents' worth:

I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered 'normal' to compensate.

Lynne

From: suuzin <suuzinyahoo (DOT) com>To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:25:56 PMSubject: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

I also think they need to throw out the "lack of sun" theory in low D production. Were they even testing Vit. D levels in people 20 years ago? My levels were low in CA too. Vit. D is is actually considered a hormone, so it could be when we have a hormone imbalance our D is thrown off too.How many of you take your D with calcium? I won't restart the thread on controversy of taking D alone (without calcium), I was just curious how many of you did that. I have been alternating my iron and calcium pill every other night, so I don't always take my D with calcium. ~> > > From: starmoonfairy <bellalunatoys@ ...>> Subject: New Article on Vitamin D> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM> > > > > > > I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!)

..> > http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamind> > Miaja**>

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Hi Lynn,

WOW! If you're taking your T (thyroid) med with calcium, you will NOT absorb

the full dosage of the thyroid replacement hormone regardless of whether it's

synthetic or natural.

Your doctor appears to look at this in an unusual way. You can take your T meds

with calcium, but you need to be consistent -- do it all the time, no

exceptions. You'll need a higher dose of T meds. Calcium interferes with T

meds and blocks the T med from being absorbed efficiently. Similarly the same

thing happens when calcium is taken at the same time with iron.

Didn't your doctor tell you to take the T4 med alone with water on an empty

stomach for best absorption and also take it at least two hours away from

calcium and/or iron? For more info, look at the T4 drug's insert.

Also, calcium needs to be taken in doses of 500 mg or less, as the body can only

absorb that much at once. That's why it MUST be taken several times throughout

the day when needed for any benefit.

Regarding, it's not the disease, but the treatment of a T med -- Many AI thyroid

patients have digestive problems and malabsorption of both vitamins and

minerals, not just calcium or vitamin D, along with a number of other things

including Adrenal fatigue. This can't be blamed on a T4 med. Most of these

patients have this problem long before they are given any T meds.

Good luck, with that Endo!

~Bj

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> From: Lynne craftybritgal@... t

> Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

> To: Thyroiditis

> Received: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM

>

> Hi

> I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents' worth:

> I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the problem,

but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using calcium or

vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered 'normal' to

compensate.

> Lynne

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Hi,

I would get an appointment with an experiended eye doctor who has treated many

Graves' patients and ASAP. It could be TED -thyroid eye disease.

How did this doctor diagnose you? What tests were ran? Usually RAI is done for

Graves' disease not Hashis. Were you given any other options? Get a second

thyroid opinion as well. Post your labs with ranges as they can vary.

Hashi and Graves's diseases are autoimmune disease, not a disease of the

thyroid, so killing the thyroid doesn't stop the disease process –the antibodies

don't die and antibody production doesn't stop either. In fact, almost all of

the time (if not all the time), the autoimmune system reaction becomes even

stronger and more aggressive after RAI therapy. Without adequate thyroid

tissue, the antibodies that trigger Graves' (hyperthyroidism) attack other

tissue, especially eye and skin cells causing diseases like Graves'

Ophthalmopathy and Pretibial Myxedema. Also, ear and salivary gland damage and

its ramifications make me shudder. Thyroid Eye disease can develop or worsen

solely from RAI ablation. If you actually have Graves', the only " way " to get

rid of Graves' disease and TSH receptor antibodies is with antithyroid drug

(ATD) therapy.

See a knowledgeable eye doctor and soon.

~Bj

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> Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

> To: Thyroiditis

> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:06 PM

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> I am very new to this group and was diagnosed last Thurday with Hashimoto. My

doctor recommend radioactive iodine treatment. I am 32 years old and don't

really have any symptoms other than fatigue and a stare (? something the doctor

said she could tell when she gave me an eye test) is there anything I should

know or be aware of ? I am not on any medications and don't take any vitamins.

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't make myself clear... I certainly don't take them at the same time! Also, I don't see him any more -- insurance won't pay!

Lynne

To: Thyroiditis Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:32:27 PMSubject: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

Hi Lynn,WOW! If you're taking your T (thyroid) med with calcium, you will NOT absorb the full dosage of the thyroid replacement hormone regardless of whether it's synthetic or natural.Your doctor appears to look at this in an unusual way. You can take your T meds with calcium, but you need to be consistent -- do it all the time, no exceptions. You'll need a higher dose of T meds. Calcium interferes with T meds and blocks the T med from being absorbed efficiently. Similarly the same thing happens when calcium is taken at the same time with iron. Didn't your doctor tell you to take the T4 med alone with water on an empty stomach for best absorption and also take it at least two hours away from calcium and/or iron? For more info, look at the T4 drug's insert.Also, calcium needs to be taken in doses of 500 mg or less, as the body can only absorb that much at once. That's why it MUST be taken several times throughout the day

when needed for any benefit.Regarding, it's not the disease, but the treatment of a T med -- Many AI thyroid patients have digestive problems and malabsorption of both vitamins and minerals, not just calcium or vitamin D, along with a number of other things including Adrenal fatigue. This can't be blamed on a T4 med. Most of these patients have this problem long before they are given any T meds.Good luck, with that Endo!~Bj> > > From: Lynne craftybritgal@ ... t> Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com> Received: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM> > Hi> I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents'

worth:> I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered 'normal' to compensate.> Lynne

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I would also recommend a second opinion. From what I have read, RAI can be very devastating to your body. If you are interested in reading someone's story, who has had RAI treatment and regretted it, you can go to naturalthyroidchoices.com and read 's story.

I have Hashimoto's and had many more symptoms than you have stated and not even the endo's that gave me poor treatment ever suggested RAI.

Good luck,

From: Lynne craftybritgal@ yahoo.com tSubject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin DTo: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. comReceived: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM

Hi

I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents' worth:

I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered 'normal' to compensate.

Lynne

From: suuzin <suuzinyahoo (DOT) com>To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:25:56 PMSubject: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

I also think they need to throw out the "lack of sun" theory in low D production. Were they even testing Vit. D levels in people 20 years ago? My levels were low in CA too. Vit. D is is actually considered a hormone, so it could be when we have a hormone imbalance our D is thrown off too.How many of you take your D with calcium? I won't restart the thread on controversy of taking D alone (without calcium), I was just curious how many of you did that. I have been alternating my iron and calcium pill every other night, so I don't always take my D with calcium. ~> > > From: starmoonfairy <bellalunatoys@ ...>> Subject: New Article on Vitamin D> To: Thyroiditis@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 4:50 PM> > > > > > > I found this interesting, as it just came out today and I had my Vitamin D tested last week and it came out low (and I live in California!) .> > http://news. yahoo.com/ s/hsn/manyameric ansfallshortonth eirvitamind> >

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Run run run as fast as you can away from this doctor.................... people with Hashi's do not need RAI. They need thyroid hormone replacement............Meleese x

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From: M.Jules

I am very new to this group and was diagnosed last Thurday with Hashimoto. My doctor recommend radioactive iodine treatment. I am 32 years old and don't really have any symptoms other than fatigue and a stare (? something the doctor said she could tell when she gave me an eye test) is there anything I should know or be aware of ? I am not on any medications and don't take any vitamins.

[Guest guest]

Hi BJ-

Can you take the thyroid meds with supplements if you are taking

the thyroid meds sublingually?

Thanks—

From: Thyroiditis

[mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf Of Lynne

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:51 PM

To: Thyroiditis

Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

I didn't make myself clear... I certainly don't take them at

the same time! Also, I don't see him any more -- insurance won't pay!

Lynne

To: Thyroiditis

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:32:27 PM

Subject: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

Hi Lynn,

WOW! If you're taking your T (thyroid) med with calcium, you will NOT absorb

the full dosage of the thyroid replacement hormone regardless of whether it's

synthetic or natural.

Your doctor appears to look at this in an unusual way. You can take your T meds

with calcium, but you need to be consistent -- do it all the time, no

exceptions. You'll need a higher dose of T meds. Calcium interferes with T meds

and blocks the T med from being absorbed efficiently. Similarly the same thing

happens when calcium is taken at the same time with iron.

Didn't your doctor tell you to take the T4 med alone with water on an empty

stomach for best absorption and also take it at least two hours away from

calcium and/or iron? For more info, look at the T4 drug's insert.

Also, calcium needs to be taken in doses of 500 mg or less, as the body can

only absorb that much at once. That's why it MUST be taken several times

throughout the day when needed for any benefit.

Regarding, it's not the disease, but the treatment of a T med -- Many AI

thyroid patients have digestive problems and malabsorption of both vitamins and

minerals, not just calcium or vitamin D, along with a number of other things

including Adrenal fatigue. This can't be blamed on a T4 med. Most of these

patients have this problem long before they are given any T meds.

Good luck, with that Endo!

~Bj

>

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> From: Lynne craftybritgal@ ... t

> Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

> To: Thyroiditis@

yahoogroups. com

> Received: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM

>

> Hi

> I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents'

worth:

> I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the

problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using

calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered

'normal' to compensate.

> Lynne

[Guest guest]

,

To answer your question, Yes!

I take my Armour sublingually. Doing it this way the hormones go directly to

the cells and by-pass the stomach where normally the meds would be digested.

Since there is no digestive interferences, I take supplements near the same time

as I take the Armour.

Another reason I take my Armour sublingually is to utlize the calcitonin in

Armour. The calcitonin that is in Armour is a peptide hormone and is prone to be

broken down by stomach acids before it can be absorbed. So I take my Armour

sublingually in hopes of absorbing some of the calcitonin and parathyroid

hormone found in Armour.

Further, Armour is already bound to a protein and less likely to be captured by

the calcium than the thyroid hormone in synthetics. For anyone who takes

levothyroxine at the same time as milk or other calciun should not have a

problem keeping their Free T4/T3 where they want them. These people should be

dosed based on taking their thyroid meds with food including milk and it MUST be

done consistently everyday. Much like a blood thinner and vitamin K foods.

Normally Cytomel (T3) and levothyroxine or any T4 med need to be swollowed and

taken away from iron or calcium. These drugs are not meant to be taken

sublingually, therefore these meds need to be taken at the same time every day

and with consistency of taking with or with food and/or milk.

For the person with calcium overload -- a calcium overload with moderate milk

consumption should be investigated further, not just told not to consume any

more calcium. I would want it checkes, as it could be some kind of parathyroid

tumor, medullary thyroid carcinoma, or other endocrine problem.

Hope this helps,

~Bj

> >

> > From: Lynne craftybritgal@ ... t

> > Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

> > To: Thyroiditis@ <mailto:Thyroiditis%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups. com

> > Received: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM

> >

> > Hi

> > I'm a newbie so haven't followed the whole thread... but my 2 cents'

> worth:

> > I was told by my endocrinologist that it's not the disease that's the

> problem, but the treatment: artificial thyroxine prevents the body using

> calcium or vitamin D efficiently, so I am on double the dose considered

> 'normal' to compensate.

> > Lynne

>

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ms_sisyphus_00 wrote:

> WE have much more osteoporosis than do the Asians who eat LOW dairy

> and etc.

>

You know, I'm not sure I believe THAT claim either. I've read an

analysis of the " china study " that showed the conclusions drawn and

published were NOT supported by the raw data, in fact the raw data in

some instances directly contradicted the official conclusions. So unless

I can find a similar re-analysis or criticism of such claims, just to

see the " other side " I no longer believe what we are told re asians and

the asian diet.

sol

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Hi Bj and anyone else that can help me...

The first week of March, my doctor sent me for blood tests based on the irregular size of my thyroid. After 2 separate blood tests done a week apart, my TSH IS 0.010, FREE T4 is 22.24 and FREE T3 is 7.3. She sent me to see an endocrinologist on March 17 and she said that I have Hashimoto's based on my blood tests. Does this mean I am hyper or hypo ? She recommended RAI treatment. I now have an appointment for that on April 6. I would like to know more and don't have access to a second doctor or second endocrinologist for another opinion. Are there any natural remedies that have been proven to work ? I am so uncomfortable with the thought of killing my thyroid. any feedback good or bad would be greatly appreciated.

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> Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

> To: Thyroiditis

> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:06 PM

> > I am very new to this group and was diagnosed last Thurday with Hashimoto.

My doctor recommend radioactive iodine treatment. I am 32 years old and

don't really have any symptoms other than fatigue and a stare (? something

the doctor said she could tell when she gave me an eye test) is there anything I

should know or be aware of ? I am not on any medications and don't take any

vitamins.

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IF you have Hashimoto's you are Hypo - BUT, your numbers are opposite of mine

(tests taken 3 and 4 years ago). There are others on this list who know far

more than I, who will comment further. And am sure they are going to tell you

to CANCEL that RAI appointment.

Have you researched this more on the web? Yahoo's site has some good info

(perused it this AM myself). Also Web MD. And just search for the procedure.

Thyroiditis. Hypo and Hyperthyroidism, etc.

My acupuncturist told me that some doc's recommend destroying the thyroid so

they are at an absolute base and can then treat you from theat base point.

Hashimoto's is an auto-immune disease which will continue attacking the thyroid

as long as it is there.

In the short time I've been on this list, has seen some pretty lame things go by

- comments and diagnosis from learned physicians.

Don't know why you have no access to another opinion. Is it money? I'm putting

my medical stuff on my credit card cause I don't have the money in hand. But I

figure at least I'll be alive to earn the money to pay the bill. Ending up in

hospital via Emergency or dying is not the answer.

Working within the realm of what you've got: Does your doctor agree with the

endocrinologist? One or the other should be willing and able to discuss options

for you. Why do they feel that RAI is the optimum route? Why so immediately?

All of these questions and many more should be answered before you agree to this

procedure and if they won't tell you, don't go there! If necessary, contact

your state AMA and ask for someone else who can help you. Your

state/county/city/town or hospital should have an ombudsman who can intervene

for you if you are not getting the answers you want and need. Who is going to

do the procedure? have you met with that doctor for options and choices and

opinion?

Do NOT be intimidated by your physicians and certainly don't let them railroad

you into a treatment you are not comfortable with! If you have dis-ease, you

will end up with disease!

There is a reason it is called the PRACTICE of medicine. God did not appoint any

of these people to their positions. And most likely is NOT in direct

communcation with them. YOU are the one responsible for your own well being.

Good Luck

Candace

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> > From: M.Jules <shopstorage@>

> > Subject: Re: Re: New Article on Vitamin D

> > To: Thyroiditis

> > Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:06 PM

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> > I am very new to this group and was diagnosed last Thurday with Hashimoto.

> My doctor recommend radioactive iodine treatment. I am 32 years old and

> don't really have any symptoms other than fatigue and a stare (? something

> the doctor said she could tell when she gave me an eye test) is there anything

I

> should know or be aware of ? I am not on any medications and don't take any

> vitamins.

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[Guest guest]

i was thinking more the Japanese than the Chinese; completey different

econmy/food supply/quality ETc etc

but

you are right; we should no longer assume any Research Study is fact (--or LARGE

enough to be useful) unless we see it posted ourselves!

its just like the " Study " that allowed the Big Pharm COs to say that Sinthroid

was better than Armour ....

-Carol

> > WE have much more osteoporosis than do the Asians who eat LOW dairy

> > and etc.

> >

> You know, I'm not sure I believe THAT claim either. I've read an

> analysis of the " china study " that showed the conclusions drawn and

> published were NOT supported by the raw data, in fact the raw data in

> some instances directly contradicted the official conclusions. So unless

> I can find a similar re-analysis or criticism of such claims, just to

> see the " other side " I no longer believe what we are told re asians and

> the asian diet.

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone....every once in a while I try to take the time to ask questions, or review questions....and i have the same question once again.

I am going to be 60 in June....and have been on Synthroid for over twenty years now...but i have always had a problem with swelling in my legs....to prevent this, i take a diuretic.....I stopped having orgasms about ten years ago..i asked my gynecologist if everything was in place, and where it should be, and he said everything was fine, that ny partner would just have to work at it harder......but ive read a lot of articles that diuretics can be blamed for a lack of orgawms in women.....does anyone know about this? Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for under $10.

[Guest guest]

i think that ALL of those symptoms are directly related to hypothyroidism.

i was on sinthroid for decades,, and turns out i had Low *FREE*t3 blood test..

geez, if only a dr had tested it once in all those years... but you have to

press the drs for this test

and read MAry SHoman's Living well with Hypothryodism book (She has other books

too related to thyroid disease/problems!)

sadly We have to know everything about this disease, cuz drs literally know

nothing.. (which is why your dr dosen't think your sympomts are direclty related

to your thyroid/sinthrodi)

>

> Hi everyone....every once in a while I try to take the time to ask

> questions, or review questions....and i have the same question once again.

>

> I am going to be 60 in June....and have been on Synthroid for over twenty

> years now...but i have always had a problem with swelling in my legs....to

> prevent this, i take a diuretic.....I stopped having orgasms about ten years

> ago..i asked my gynecologist if everything was in place, and where it should

be,

> and he said everything was fine, that ny partner would just have to work at

> it harder......but ive read a lot of articles that diuretics can be blamed

for

> a lack of orgawms in women.....does anyone know about this?

> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under

> $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

>

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree more! I have read about trouble with orgasms in " The

Thyroid Solution " . Now, Dr. Arem (author) doesn't advocate Armour but

does include info about a T4/T3 regimen. His book also doesn't go into

the newer Free T3 and Free T4 tests because it was written years ago.

Even though the book is a tad out of date, it's still worth a read.

I can attest to low estrogen symptoms related to my own case. When I

need more thyroid medication, I find myself with severe vaginal dryness,

hot flashes and the works. In fact, at age 23 I was told I was

perimenopausal. Nothing worked -- estrogen cream, vaginal moisture both

over the counter and prescribed. It turned out I had hypothyroidism and

the symptoms went away with medication. I actually had 2 kids since

then, and yes, thankfully my marriage survived (my husband is a saint,

to say the least)!

I can also attest to the fact that I feel better w/ T3 added than

without. I have taken T4 plus a 0.5 mcg T3 (Cytomel) pill in the

morning and another at 2 pm. I convinced my doctor to follow the

suggested regimen in " The Thyroid Solution " which has you use a formula

to decrease the T4 and add in the T3.

I have never taken Armour or anything like it, but have often thought of

switching to it as many people seem to love it compared to Synthroid.

Armour of course is the natural thyroid supplement that includes T4 and

T3 without having to take the separate pills. Unfortunately, my doctor

doesn't really believe in Armour or T3 for that matter (she believes it

is a placebo, but was willing to let me try T3 anyway). That said, I'm

also thinking of switching doctors once I find a doc worth switching to

-- one that will test Free T3 & T4 and try alternate medications without

my having to beg for it!

I say do some research, beg for Armour or T3 and if need be find a new

doc. I know I'm currently doctor shopping myself.

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

fyi armour contains ALL the thyroid hormones,,t4,t3 but also t2 and t1.

sadly, due to pharmCO/politics/big business that said all we need is T4,, we

have lost many years of research =and tho t2 and t1 were discovered in 1970s,

medicine STILL to this day, does not know what they do/are for! (you see some

theories,, but really after 40 years,, we should already know!)

so again, armour is not = t4/t3 meds

btw, Dr ARem Has updated his The Thyrodi Solution book!

and he has a website!

however,, he still does not Believe in Adrenal Fatigue or the adrenals role in

MANY/most thyroid patietns problems,,

and

per his book and verified by patietns who have seen him in the last few years,,

Dr Arem still only prescirbes Sinthrodi for MOst of his patients,, and will only

prescribe t3 vs armour..

AND DR Arem still Diagnosis and Treats/determines Doses by TSH= " NORMAL " .

==

i agree his book is a Great book for " regular " folks to read in order to gain

an understanding of how much thyroid disease can affect loved ones' Behavior,

Moods and cognition...

=however, his book is BAD= when it comes to treatment advice.

he has no qualms saying in his book that any remaining brain " symptoms After a

person's TSH = Normal ,, then patients should take Mood meds = Prozac etc etc.

so

he is still just a Conventional endo

sorry for long post: i just don't want anyone else to waste 30 years of their

life on the Standard Treatment,, and never feel well enough to have a full

life,, and always believeing the drs that " This " is as good as it gets..

not true!

armour, diet/nutriton/ learnign about " Adrenal Fatigue " and the HPA axis and

stress management = and salt/electrolyte issues are all key.

-Carol

>

> I couldn't agree more! I have read about trouble with orgasms in " The

> Thyroid Solution " . Now, Dr. Arem (author) doesn't advocate Armour but

> does include info about a T4/T3 regimen. His book also doesn't go into

> the newer Free T3 and Free T4 tests because it was written years ago.

> Even though the book is a tad out of date, it's still worth a read.

>

> I can attest to low estrogen symptoms related to my own case. When I

> need more thyroid medication, I find myself with severe vaginal dryness,

> hot flashes and the works. In fact, at age 23 I was told I was

> perimenopausal. Nothing worked -- estrogen cream, vaginal moisture both

> over the counter and prescribed. It turned out I had hypothyroidism and

> the symptoms went away with medication. I actually had 2 kids since

> then, and yes, thankfully my marriage survived (my husband is a saint,

> to say the least)!

>

> I can also attest to the fact that I feel better w/ T3 added than

> without. I have taken T4 plus a 0.5 mcg T3 (Cytomel) pill in the

> morning and another at 2 pm. I convinced my doctor to follow the

> suggested regimen in " The Thyroid Solution " which has you use a formula

> to decrease the T4 and add in the T3.

>

> I have never taken Armour or anything like it, but have often thought of

> switching to it as many people seem to love it compared to Synthroid.

> Armour of course is the natural thyroid supplement that includes T4 and

> T3 without having to take the separate pills. Unfortunately, my doctor

> doesn't really believe in Armour or T3 for that matter (she believes it

> is a placebo, but was willing to let me try T3 anyway). That said, I'm

> also thinking of switching doctors once I find a doc worth switching to

> -- one that will test Free T3 & T4 and try alternate medications without

> my having to beg for it!

>

> I say do some research, beg for Armour or T3 and if need be find a new

> doc. I know I'm currently doctor shopping myself.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>