Re: White Oak Bark

[Guest guest]

White oak bark is also used for gum strengthening/tightening. I think

that goes back to the Native Americans. I have a shampoo made of white

oak bark--very cleansing.

Sharon

luckower@... wrote:

>

> i just had a really cool experience. i was doing a guided meditation and the

> woman asked me to recieve information that would enhance my health. the

> biggest problem i've been having recently is dealing with the overwhelming

> toxic load. my nerves are fried. i started seeing all these images in altered

> state, nothing too concrete. then i saw the letters white oak bark. i might

> have read it consciously some time-- but i don't remember. i didn;t even know

> if there was such a thing. i rushed to the herb store with a grin on my face.

> sure enough-- there it was. i asked the woman what it was for-- she said deep

> relaxation. i'll report on it in a few days.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/21/2000 7:18:53 PM Central Standard Time,

Starshar@... writes:

<< White oak bark is also used for gum strengthening/tightening. I think

that goes back to the Native Americans. I have a shampoo made of white

oak bark--very cleansing.

Sharon

>>

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Is also used in place of coffee enemas.

Edith

[Guest guest]

I am new to this list. Could you tell me what the White Oak Bark is good for

concerning teeth? Shari

----- Original Message -----

From: Carma Paden

Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:51 PM

Subject: RE: White Oak Bark

>> a I believe it was you that spoke about the White Oak Bark for teeth.

Can you give me an idea of how much would be a good amount to take? I have

been taking about a tablespoon or more. Should I be taking more than a

tablespoon? What do you suggest?

I just sprinkle a pinch on my kids' eggs in the morning. It's less than a

teaspoon, but I don't know what a maximum amount would be.

Carma

Education is an admirable thing,

but it is well to remember from time to time

that nothing worth knowing can be taught.

- Wilde -

carmapaden@...

[Guest guest]

>> a I believe it was you that spoke about the White Oak Bark for teeth.

Can you give me an idea of how much would be a good amount to take? I have

been taking about a tablespoon or more. Should I be taking more than a

tablespoon? What do you suggest?

I just sprinkle a pinch on my kids' eggs in the morning. It's less than a

teaspoon, but I don't know what a maximum amount would be.

Carma

Education is an admirable thing,

but it is well to remember from time to time

that nothing worth knowing can be taught.

- Wilde -

carmapaden@...

[Guest guest]

And you have seen results with this small amount?

[Guest guest]

I am new to this list. Could you tell me what the White Oak Bark is

good for concerning teeth? Shari

Sorry I haven't gotten back to reply to these. White oak bark is

supposed to be good for everything toothy - supposedly it can regrow

enamel (so much so that you might lose an old filling that doesn't fit

any more) and tighten loose teeth. I just sprinkle a little on my kids'

eggs in the morning - it is tasteless. (But not colorless; they did

object to the brown spots on their eggs for a while.)

And you have seen results with this small amount?

Well, here's one result. My 4yo son has a yellow plaque line across one

of his teeth; it apparently formed there when the tooth was about half

erupted. When it grew down below the gumline and I could see it, is

about when I started using the WOB. It hasn't gone away, but it hasn't

progressed or begun to decay either - so I guess the bark has been

effective at stopping the incipient decay that would likely have

developed otherwise. Other than that, I often forget to get them to

brush their teeth <blush>, but at 6 and 4 there are no gum or tooth

problems or decay in either of them.

Carma

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply. I have been using it for exactly one week at about

a tablespoon a day and I notice quite a difference in my teeth already. They

don't bleed as much when I brush and floss, they don't hurt as much when I

eat something sweet, which means I guess that little cavities may be filling

in, and when I wake up I don't have that rotten taste in my mouth as bad, I

think I have another bad tooth in my mouth somewhere. Overall my teeth feel

stronger, and boy is my mouth a reck. Maybe there is hope after all.

God Bless Everyone,

May He keep us strong

Kareemah

[Guest guest]

I have been lurking here for a while and this is my first post.

I have been studying Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) on my own for a

couple years now. TCM is a very sophisticated system of herbology. I tried to

look up white oak last night in my materia medica and apparently it is not

commmonly used in TCM.

I did a little searching on the web and came across some information on white

oak. It is primarily an astringent herb. An astringent has the action of

checking bodily secretions and firming up tissue. This includes bleeding,

ulcers, internal bruising, dysentery, etc.

White oak is said to be useful for:

As a mouthwash for bleeding gums.

Acute early stages of herpes, topically.

Chronic epistaxis.

Capillary fragility (with bioflavonoids).

Dysentery, general supportive astringent.

Bleeding ulcers.

Decubitus with granular ulcerations (externally).

Skin ulcers with spongy granulation.

Internal bruises.

Diarrhea.

Hemorrhoids.

Without knowing your entire symptom pattern I cannot properly diagnose you.

But given the information in your email it sounds like you have what a

Chinese physician would call Stomach Heat with possible stomach yin vacuity.

While TCM does include the use of astringent medicinals, this case would call

for more of a cleansing and supplementing therapy rather than an astringing

therapy. The astringing therapy may work, but may not solve the underlying

problem and may require continual use. The action called for by TCM would be

to clear stomach heat and supplement stomach yin. (This is not to say that

oak bark is not good for teeth. I have no doubt that it is, given that Dr.

promoted it for that purpose.)

A useful formula would be " Yu Nu Jian " or " Rehmannia & Gypsum Combination. "

This formula includes Rehmannia (Chinese foxglove), Gypsum, Ophiopogon (mondo

grass or lilly turf), Cyathula, and Anemarrhena. This formula is listed as

effective for the following symptoms (not necessarily requiring all to be

present):

Teeth Problems-Chronic

Gingivitis

Headache-Frontal

Fever

Irritability

Thirst

Diabetes

Toothache

Hemoptysis

Nose-Bleeding

Headache-Dull

This formula is available in pill form from various retailers on the Net.

Another useful formula would be Qing Wei San (Coptis & Rehmannia Formula).

However, not being a licensed practitioner I must tell you that you should

seek out the guidance of a licensed practitioner before administering any

herbal formulas. The information I present is purely informational and not

intended as medical advice. And as I mentioned before, not knowing your

entire symptom complex I could be way off base here.

TCM is just another example of useful Traditional knowledge that modern

westerners would like to ignore. It's been around for over 2000 years. But I

suppose I'm preaching to the choir...

P.S. This is a good time for me to put in a shameless promotion of my website

on TCM, http://www.diytcm.com.

On Sunday 16 September 2001 12:06, you wrote:

> Thank you for your reply. I have been using it for exactly one week at

> about a tablespoon a day and I notice quite a difference in my teeth

> already. They don't bleed as much when I brush and floss, they don't hurt

> as much when I eat something sweet, which means I guess that little

> cavities may be filling in, and when I wake up I don't have that rotten

> taste in my mouth as bad, I think I have another bad tooth in my mouth

> somewhere. Overall my teeth feel stronger, and boy is my mouth a reck.

> Maybe there is hope after all.

>

> God Bless Everyone,

> May He keep us strong

> Kareemah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank You :

I am not familiar with Chinese herbal medicine at all. So will have to

look into this a little bit more. Right now the white oak bark is affordable

for me. I'm not sure if I could afford the other medicine at this time. But

I would still like to read a little about it.

Kareemah

[Guest guest]

As you say, herb formulas in pill form can add up quickly (A week's supply is

about $8 for me). I have problems with stomach heat on occasion as well and I

have found that simply making a decoction of ophiopogon (Japanese lilly turf)

helps a lot. Ophiopogon is one of the herbs in the formula I mentioned in my

previous email.

I also use Alum (Potassium Aluminum sulfate) as a treatment for canker sores

or sore/bleeding gums. It is a naturally occuring mineral that seems to work

quite well. It is considered to be an astringent like oak. You can buy Alum

in the herb section of the grocery store. It looks like salt and is often

used in pickling. You can make a mouthwash out of it or just put a dab

directly on the sore. Don't take it internally. It is likely to cause

vomiting. Also be warned that It is very sour/bitter.

I don't want to get on a soap box here, but TCM also uses diet as a therapy.

Foods have milder, but similar actions to that of herbs. For clearing stomach

heat good foods to eat are pears, starfruit, muskmelon, celery, lettuce,

cucumber, and mung bean. Look out for spicy foods.

I'll have to give the oak bark a try.

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 17:58, you wrote:

> Thank You :

> I am not familiar with Chinese herbal medicine at all. So will have to

> look into this a little bit more. Right now the white oak bark is

> affordable for me. I'm not sure if I could afford the other medicine at

> this time. But I would still like to read a little about it.

>

> Kareemah

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