Re: SV: Are our kids tripping?

December 11, 2006

I have emailed Dr Natasha -McBride (supporter of both SCD

and Body Ecology Diet..does NOT believe GFCF is enough!!!..she

herself is a neurologist in the UK and does a great video interview

along with Donna Gates (Body Ecology Diet). She wrote that she

strongly recommends fermented foods, protein, vegetables, rich in

healthy fats, ZERO fruits and NO GRAINS. I am trying to get prepared

to begin the Body Ecology Diet here in my home. What is very crucial

to realize to me is her statement that children with epilepsy (or

abnormal EEG's such as my own son) need a diet that is more than

GFCF and that it is not enough for children in this category

especially.

" Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

the response of MB12 given to a child with an ongoing and severe

fungalproblem than to a child with fungus under control? "

Now THIS is a crucial statement. My son was on MB12 shots for five

months and had a high yeast count. He did not respond to MB12. When

I get the yeast under control I STRONGLY WONDER whether his response

might be positive in nature!!!!

Kristie

Aidan 3.6

>

> Interesting and frightening information.

>

> Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

in this article she has written interesting info about Dermorphin &

Deltorphin and

> Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

carbohydrates with production of alcohol and its by-product

acetaldehyde. She writes about what a constant exposure to alcohol

and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

>

> Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

the response of MB12 given to a child with an ongoing and severe

fungalproblem than to a child with fungus under control?

>

> /Marie-Louise

>

> Stan Kurtz skrev:

> If you are curious why our kids might seem in

an " altered state " or what the rashes are that

> we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

video that you need to see.

>

> Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

and Dr. Deth from

> Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

a possible new theroy in

> autism.

>

> http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

>

> If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

>

> Thank you.

>

> - Stan

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om

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>

December 11, 2006

I could be wrong on this, but I suspect that folks with fungal issues are more

likely to

respond to MB12. I believe the fungus kills off essential bacteria needed to

get MB12 into

the body.

Once the fungus is in order, there should be a better chance for the good

bacteria to grow

back (depending on the diet).

Typically the better the gut is, the less MB12 you'll need.

That's been my experience.

- Stan

> >

> > Interesting and frightening information.

> >

> > Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> > She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

> in this article she has written interesting info about Dermorphin &

> Deltorphin and

> > Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

> carbohydrates with production of alcohol and its by-product

> acetaldehyde. She writes about what a constant exposure to alcohol

> and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> > http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

> >

> > Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

> the response of MB12 given to a child with an ongoing and severe

> fungalproblem than to a child with fungus under control?

> >

> > /Marie-Louise

> >

> > Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@> skrev:

> > If you are curious why our kids might seem in

> an " altered state " or what the rashes are that

> > we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

> times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> > chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

> video that you need to see.

> >

> > Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

> and Dr. Deth from

> > Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

> a possible new theroy in

> > autism.

> >

> > http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

> >

> > If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > - Stan

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om

> tryckfelen och mycket mer! Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

> >

>

December 11, 2006

I think we are overlooking the toxins that the fungus create and how they get

stuck in fatty

tissue and after a time they chronically just leak out and enter the blood

stream... or more

likely they are stuck in the brain and constantly product toxins that have a

phychotropic

effect and provide an altered state in these kids.

The MB12 interferes with this process for the most part, but I also think

systemically it

helps to methylate it out of the fat and that mobilization may cause a temporary

increase

in the altered effect. I do have two other instances documented as well. Both

adults.

What scares me is if we are properly treating a possible brain fungal infection.

I'm not

sure we have the tools at this point.

It's one of the reasons that I prefer Valtrex over Acyclovir and that we use

strong

antifungal meds at the same time.

It's very possible that Valtrex also helps to get the fungal toxins out of the

body by

activation of enzyme activity.

These rashes could easily be oily fungal toxins being mobilized.

- Stan

>

> Interesting and frightening information.

>

> Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and in this

article she has

written interesting info about Dermorphin & Deltorphin and

> Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary carbohydrates with

production of

alcohol and its by-product acetaldehyde. She writes about what a constant

exposure to

alcohol and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

>

> Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in the

response of MB12

given to a child with an ongoing and severe fungalproblem than to a child with

fungus

under control?

>

> /Marie-Louise

>

> Stan Kurtz skrev:

> If you are curious why our kids might seem in an " altered state " or

what the

rashes are that

> we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at times with LDN,

Vitamin A,

> chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a video that you

need to see.

>

> Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories, and Dr.

Deth

from

> Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about a possible

new

theroy in

> autism.

>

> http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

>

> If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

>

> Thank you.

>

> - Stan

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om tryckfelen och

mycket mer!

Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

>

December 12, 2006

And yes, in my opinion.... yes.

Could it be the reason we see abnormal white matter in on the peripheral areas

of the

brain... yes, in my opinion.. yes.

Thanks for the feedback.

> > >

> > > Interesting and frightening information.

> > >

> > > Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> > > She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

> in this article she has

> > written interesting info about Dermorphin & Deltorphin and

> > > Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

> carbohydrates with production of

> > alcohol and its by-product acetaldehyde. She writes about what a

> constant exposure to

> > alcohol and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> > > http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

> > >

> > > Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

> the response of MB12

> > given to a child with an ongoing and severe fungalproblem than to a

> child with fungus

> > under control?

> > >

> > > /Marie-Louise

> > >

> > > Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@> skrev:

> > > If you are curious why our kids might seem in an

> " altered state " or what the

> > rashes are that

> > > we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

> times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> > > chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

> video that you need to see.

> > >

> > > Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

> and Dr. Deth

> > from

> > > Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

> a possible new

> > theroy in

> > > autism.

> > >

> > > http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

> > >

> > > If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > - Stan

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > > Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om

> tryckfelen och mycket mer!

> > Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

> > >

> >

>

December 12, 2006

Has the abnormal white matter been tested..is it brain matter or some

other matter...fungal...? This is making me ill. You're welcome,

thanks for the video.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting and frightening information.

> > > >

> > > > Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> > > > She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

> > in this article she has

> > > written interesting info about Dermorphin & Deltorphin and

> > > > Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

> > carbohydrates with production of

> > > alcohol and its by-product acetaldehyde. She writes about what a

> > constant exposure to

> > > alcohol and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> > > > http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

> > > >

> > > > Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

> > the response of MB12

> > > given to a child with an ongoing and severe fungalproblem than to a

> > child with fungus

> > > under control?

> > > >

> > > > /Marie-Louise

> > > >

> > > > Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@> skrev:

> > > > If you are curious why our kids might seem in an

> > " altered state " or what the

> > > rashes are that

> > > > we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

> > times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> > > > chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

> > video that you need to see.

> > > >

> > > > Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

> > and Dr. Deth

> > > from

> > > > Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

> > a possible new

> > > theroy in

> > > > autism.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

> > > >

> > > > If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > - Stan

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om

> > tryckfelen och mycket mer!

> > > Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 12, 2006

>

> Has the abnormal white matter been tested..is it brain matter or some

> other matter...fungal...? This is making me ill. You're welcome,

> thanks for the video.

>

White matter doesn't refer to fungal material. It is the structure of

the brain itself. Grey matter is on the surface of the brain, I think

it's a 1/2 inch thick layer. White matter is normally underneath the

gray matter. See wikipedia for a more detailed explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_matter

Jen

December 12, 2006

To my knowledge no one has done a biopsy... of the brain... while the kids are

alive.

What we could use is some type of imaging scan that could pickup fungus... but

I'm not

sure if it's even possible.

I think the white matter is possibly inflamed and fungal infected... but that's

just one guys

theroy...

- Stan

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting and frightening information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> > > > > She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

> > > in this article she has

> > > > written interesting info about Dermorphin & Deltorphin and

> > > > > Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

> > > carbohydrates with production of

> > > > alcohol and its by-product acetaldehyde. She writes about what a

> > > constant exposure to

> > > > alcohol and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> > > > > http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

> > > > >

> > > > > Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

> > > the response of MB12

> > > > given to a child with an ongoing and severe fungalproblem than to a

> > > child with fungus

> > > > under control?

> > > > >

> > > > > /Marie-Louise

> > > > >

> > > > > Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@> skrev:

> > > > > If you are curious why our kids might seem in an

> > > " altered state " or what the

> > > > rashes are that

> > > > > we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

> > > times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> > > > > chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

> > > video that you need to see.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

> > > and Dr. Deth

> > > > from

> > > > > Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

> > > a possible new

> > > > theroy in

> > > > > autism.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

> > > > >

> > > > > If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Stan

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om

> > > tryckfelen och mycket mer!

> > > > Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 12, 2006

And then there is our belief that fungus attracts viral infection... and it just

keeps

supporting the combination of antivirals and antifungals used together... and

now the

additonal supplementation of supplements that seem to help remove fungal toxins

like

Niacin (tid), L-Carnatine (tid), St. s Wart, cod liver oil, vitamin C and

Epsom Salt baths.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting and frightening information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> > > > > She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

> > > in this article she has

> > > > written interesting info about Dermorphin & Deltorphin and

> > > > > Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

> > > carbohydrates with production of

> > > > alcohol and its by-product acetaldehyde. She writes about what a

> > > constant exposure to

> > > > alcohol and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> > > > > http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

> > > > >

> > > > > Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

> > > the response of MB12

> > > > given to a child with an ongoing and severe fungalproblem than to a

> > > child with fungus

> > > > under control?

> > > > >

> > > > > /Marie-Louise

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@> skrev:

> > > > > If you are curious why our kids might seem in an

> > > " altered state " or what the

> > > > rashes are that

> > > > > we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

> > > times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> > > > > chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

> > > video that you need to see.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

> > > and Dr. Deth

> > > > from

> > > > > Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

> > > a possible new

> > > > theroy in

> > > > > autism.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

> > > > >

> > > > > If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Stan

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om

> > > tryckfelen och mycket mer!

> > > > Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 12, 2006

That's about right. The white matter does not refer to the fungus. But the

white matter is

inflamed in my opinion. Inflamation that may be caused by fungus growing on it

(and of

course the alternate theroy that a virus is involved and the second alternate

that it's

metals).

My vote is on fungus and/or viral ediology and if I had to pick one I'm leaning

towards

fungus these days.

- Stan

> >

> > Has the abnormal white matter been tested..is it brain matter or some

> > other matter...fungal...? This is making me ill. You're welcome,

> > thanks for the video.

> >

> White matter doesn't refer to fungal material. It is the structure of

> the brain itself. Grey matter is on the surface of the brain, I think

> it's a 1/2 inch thick layer. White matter is normally underneath the

> gray matter. See wikipedia for a more detailed explanation.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_matter

>

> Jen

>

December 12, 2006

So, given that much information, let me criticize some of the ideas presented in the video (but only just a little). Sure - people have been getting high on fungal products for centuries. But - what I saw in the video bears just about zero resemblance to what I've seen in people trying to function through a load of mycotoxins (and other toxins). For many of us, the result is what you probably call Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Fibromylagia - and in those communities, it's usually just called "brain fog". Let's start right about the point where "toxin" and "intoxication" are two forms of the same root word. As a general rule, mycotoxins are not any fun at all, and that's an understatement! Alcohol is a socially enjoyable neurotoxin, for some people. What we find in our usual environment is anything BUT enjoyable, and I wouldn't compare it to hallucinogens at all - even though it definitely causes some

cognitive impairments. Are the kids tripping? Are the kids drunk? Well, probably only in the sense that they are intoxicated. Over time, living with this and through my contact with many dozens of others who have no defense against these toxins - most of them adults - I couldn't help but notice the intoxicant effects, and it has often reminded me of people who are very, very drunk. (And they do not always take kindly to my blunt way of describing this - believe me!) Their sense of balance is often shot. Their eyes often don't track well. They develop speech problems and loss of motor control. Sensory input becomes overly stimulating and downright painful. Emotional outbursts can become a problem. Many choose social isolation to cope with it, others get isolated because their physical condition (and sometimes their behavior) forces them into it. Some give up and commit suicide. Many others turn to antidepressants in an effort to

relieve the problems. I have, at the worst of it, not been able to read or write, to put a sentence together, or remember how telephones work. But - I couldn't help but notice some more subtle effects. And then I heard of grown men being diagnosed with Asberger's that never existing before. And I started hearing of mold victims who have the autism-spectrum kids. The numbers alone dictate that that would happen eventually, but I had to keep wondering. (The questions still far outweight the answers.) Some of the doctors working on the chronic neurotoxin problems have been encountering kids with learning disabilities and behavior problems for quite a while now. Their thinking has colored mine - in that this thing presents itself differently in children than in adults, but with some really common features. I'm not entirely sure how the kid who "blinks out" at 18 months is like the kid who suddenly goes wild at 10. Without the testing, it's

impossible to say. I will only put forth that the testing for this already exists. I know that it's been used with the older kids with success. If you'll indulge me one more time, I'll add a 3rd post on some of the mechanics of the thing I've learned more recently, and you can see how those ideas sit with you. __________________________________________________

December 12, 2006

Hi Serena,

I've been away for a little while, so I haven't read your previous posts, but I

did take the

few minutes to read the last two and...

A. I don't see a real criticsm of the video in there. If you are going to

criticize... dig in girl!

B. If you do criticize, let me hear your belief of what is going on with Eddie

or our kids...

not just that there are thousands of fungus we don't know about. Tell us

something that

you feel might apply to our kids and why you feel the hypothesis of a fungus on

the brain

could be causing a large portion of the symtoms in ASD.

- Stan

>

> So, given that much information, let me criticize some of the ideas presented

in the

video (but only just a little). Sure - people have been getting high on fungal

products for

centuries. But - what I saw in the video bears just about zero resemblance to

what I've

seen in people trying to function through a load of mycotoxins (and other

toxins). For

many of us, the result is what you probably call Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or

Fibromylagia

- and in those communities, it's usually just called " brain fog " .

>

> Let's start right about the point where " toxin " and " intoxication " are two

forms of the

same root word. As a general rule, mycotoxins are not any fun at all, and that's

an

understatement! Alcohol is a socially enjoyable neurotoxin, for some people.

What we find

in our usual environment is anything BUT enjoyable, and I wouldn't compare it to

hallucinogens at all - even though it definitely causes some cognitive

impairments. Are the

kids tripping? Are the kids drunk? Well, probably only in the sense that they

are

intoxicated.

>

> Over time, living with this and through my contact with many dozens of

others who

have no defense against these toxins - most of them adults - I couldn't help but

notice the

intoxicant effects, and it has often reminded me of people who are very, very

drunk. (And

they do not always take kindly to my blunt way of describing this - believe me!)

Their

sense of balance is often shot. Their eyes often don't track well. They develop

speech

problems and loss of motor control. Sensory input becomes overly stimulating and

downright painful. Emotional outbursts can become a problem. Many choose social

isolation to cope with it, others get isolated because their physical condition

(and

sometimes their behavior) forces them into it. Some give up and commit suicide.

Many

others turn to antidepressants in an effort to relieve the problems. I have, at

the worst of

it, not been able to read or write, to put a sentence together, or remember how

telephones

work.

>

> But - I couldn't help but notice some more subtle effects. And then I heard

of grown

men being diagnosed with Asberger's that never existing before. And I started

hearing of

mold victims who have the autism-spectrum kids. The numbers alone dictate that

that

would happen eventually, but I had to keep wondering. (The questions still far

outweight

the answers.) Some of the doctors working on the chronic neurotoxin problems

have been

encountering kids with learning disabilities and behavior problems for quite a

while now.

Their thinking has colored mine - in that this thing presents itself differently

in children

than in adults, but with some really common features. I'm not entirely sure how

the kid

who " blinks out " at 18 months is like the kid who suddenly goes wild at 10.

Without the

testing, it's impossible to say. I will only put forth that the testing for this

already exists. I

know that it's been used with the older kids with success.

>

> If you'll indulge me one more time, I'll add a 3rd post on some of the

mechanics of the

thing I've learned more recently, and you can see how those ideas sit with you.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

December 12, 2006

So - the mechanics of this thing. Just the effects on the rest of the body are way too complex to get into here. You can always read up if you're interested. Suffice to say that neurotoxins leave no body system untouched. But I've been more interested in the brain lately. The ideas about hypoperfusion are just as prevalent with mold victims as mentioned in the video concerning ASD. I recently got a set of SPECT scans done, and was told they are consistent with toxic brain injuries. (I have no idea what a scan of an ASD kid should look like, but I have to wonder. I anybody wants to swap scans and get a look, just email me.) The result was that I got to look at how large and spread out those hyperperfused areas really are. The amount of weird phenomena and dysfunctions that could strike within a single population of affected people is just amazing - and now I can see why. We have no way of predicting which messages and functions will

go wrong at which time. One thing surpised me, and that was that the doctor wanted to talk about autism. I assumed it was because of the toxic connection. But then, I was surprised even more when he started talking to me about ADD. ADD? I never had a problem like that in my life before! But - it wasn't represented as an area of hypoperfusion. It was represented as an area of hyperactivity. As was another area - and that's when he started talking about skotopic sensitivity. He explained this to me as a brain dysfunction, rather than an eye problem. I wasn't able to process certain light spectra properly. My visual perception was fouled up, and in the end translated into a level of irritability and sensistivity that would have been difficult to understand, if I hadn't seen a demonstration and visited an Irlen Diagnostician to see what can be done with those colored lenses. Again, I was dealing with someone who most often deals with

ASD and learning disabilities. When I saw Stan's new video, my first thought went to what might have been happening to that guy's brain on MB12. Some of what he reported and what was observed matched what I reported and what was observed when the skotopic sensitivity was fixed - and results were instant. The pitch and volume of my voice came down (I was told), I began to smile "all over" at the sense of sudden relief and comfort, and I was raptly looking at things - because they looked so very different when I could see them clearly. I had been struggling with word searches and trying to avoid stammering just a minute earlier, but not now. I walked right out into a sunlit day without inwardly flinching at the bright light and was entranced at seeing all the pretty colors. Believe me - If I was high, I was on a total natch. That was an "ahhh" factor that would make anybody smile. Can MB12 actually do this for some people? I can't answer

that. It doesn't work that way for me, but I think it's probably a good question. I'm sure the Pharmacologist has a much better shot at figuring that one out than I do. Kids who repeat actions again and again? And they get annoyed when you interrupt the activity? Does this bear a resemblance to the toxic adults I know who practice their own versions of this in order to block out painful stimuli and distraction? (Simple repetitive video games are a big draw with the adults.) Do the kids instinctively block everyone out because they are seeking some level of comfort? I sure know a lot of toxic adults who isolate socially and demand rigid order in their surroundings in order to cope. Fighting through the cognitive problems is hard enough when things are calm and controlled. Just add people and sound and movement, and the world turns into an undecipherable jumble. When the doc mentioned ASD kids having to have the tags cut out of

their clothing, I laughed outright. I've been meticulously doing that since my last acute exposure to mycotoxins. When the guy in the video was made so uncomfortable by the extended hand? Yeah - seemed like a normal thing to you, but I know about times when it would have had me jumping right out of my chair. Devil's, hands, ostrich feathers - it wouldn't matter. It's the hypersensitivity that does it. When you're sick enough, a brick wall and baby's breath might as well be the same thing. It's scary when the world moves so much faster than your senses can process it. Are the kids shutting it out because they can't stand it, either? It's not crazy, and it's not unexplainable. It's intoxication - if it's tripping, it's a bad trip. I was excited by all the possibilities in what I saw and heard. The doctors I saw were excited about it, too. This was a great opportunity to kind of cross-discipline a little. I can't state

what the clear differences are between ASD in a child and toxic encephalopathy in an adult, except that they are children and we adults have more experiences and information to use as coping tools. Perhaps it's because the kids have more heavy metals problems than many of the adults. I can ask questions all day that I can't exactly answer. All I will suggest is that if you would like to know more about chronic neurotoxins other than metals, use the following links. You'll get a whole new level of understanding that goes far, far beyond yeast alone, and the book is well worth the read. (You'll find out they've been wondering about your kids, too.) Meanwhile, I'm going to go back to lurking and seeing what else I can learn from you guys. So far, it's served me very well and I thank you! http://www.moldwarriors.com http://chronicneurotoxins.com Serena

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I would add to this list of antifungal supplements; biotin, molybdenum,

pantothenic acid and beta carotenes for kids who can take beta carotene. We

use a product called Neutrophil Plus from Biotics Research that shores up

the immune system and creates the neutrophils needed to combat the yeast.

Mercury lowers neutrophils. Others have noted that it helps combat yeast.

Re: SV: Are our kids tripping?

And then there is our belief that fungus attracts viral infection... and it

just keeps

supporting the combination of antivirals and antifungals used together...

and now the

additonal supplementation of supplements that seem to help remove fungal

toxins like

Niacin (tid), L-Carnatine (tid), St. s Wart, cod liver oil, vitamin C

and Epsom Salt baths.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting and frightening information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you talked to Dr. Natasha -McBride?

> > > > > She has written a great book " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " and

> > > in this article she has

> > > > written interesting info about Dermorphin & Deltorphin and

> > > > > Acetaldehyde & Alcohol, that Yeasts ferment dietary

> > > carbohydrates with production of

> > > > alcohol and its by-product acetaldehyde. She writes about what a

> > > constant exposure to

> > > > alcohol and acetaldehyde will do to the body.

> > > > > http://www.behealthy.org.uk/gaps.pdf

> > > > >

> > > > > Could your hypothesis indicate that there can be a difference in

> > > the response of MB12

> > > > given to a child with an ongoing and severe fungalproblem than to a

> > > child with fungus

> > > > under control?

> > > > >

> > > > > /Marie-Louise

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@> skrev:

> > > > > If you are curious why our kids might seem in an

> > > " altered state " or what the

> > > > rashes are that

> > > > > we see in combination antiviral/antifungal therapy (as well at

> > > times with LDN, Vitamin A,

> > > > > chelation, Niacin and other therapies in autism)... this is a

> > > video that you need to see.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guests: Eddie Keever, Dr. Quiq - Doctor's Data Laboratories,

> > > and Dr. Deth

> > > > from

> > > > > Northeastern University talk with Host/researcher Stan Kurtz about

> > > a possible new

> > > > theroy in

> > > > > autism.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.autismone.org/radio/mediafiles/121106StanKurtz.wmv

> > > > >

> > > > > If you watch it, please let me know what you think of this video.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Stan

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > >

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> > > tryckfelen och mycket mer!

> > > > Få den på http://se.mail.yahoo.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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So, does the metal/virus assault create this fungus which then releases toxins to the brain thus creating an altered state? Stan Kurtz wrote: That's about right. The white matter does not refer to the fungus. But the white matter is inflamed in my opinion. Inflamation that may be caused by fungus growing on it (and of course the alternate theroy that a virus is involved and the second

alternate that it's metals). My vote is on fungus and/or viral ediology and if I had to pick one I'm leaning towards fungus these days.- Stan > >> > Has the abnormal white matter been tested..is it brain matter or some> > other matter...fungal...? This is making me ill. You're welcome,> > thanks for the video.> > > White matter doesn't refer to fungal material. It is the structure of > the brain itself. Grey matter is on the surface of the brain, I think > it's a 1/2 inch thick layer. White matter is normally underneath the > gray matter. See wikipedia for a

more detailed explanation. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_matter > > Jen>

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Serena,

Fascinating! Mold is a huge issue with my son as well as myself.

This year was particularly bad, I had many symptoms. What did they do to “fix”

the skotopic sensitivities? I researched mold toxicity and it is very

similar to the physical symptoms of Autism. The diets they recommend are

the same as diets that seem to help with yeast. But I have found it is

almost impossible to remove mold entirely from your environment and continued

exposure is inevitable. Thanks for your post. -

PS. Do you know if you can get this

book at Border’s or somewhere other than online?

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of SERENA EDWARDS

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006

2:55 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: SV: Are

our kids tripping?

So - the mechanics of this thing. Just the effects on the rest of the

body are way too complex to get into here. You can always read up if you're

interested. Suffice to say that neurotoxins leave no body system untouched.

But I've been more interested in the brain lately. The ideas about

hypoperfusion are just as prevalent with mold victims as mentioned in the video

concerning ASD. I recently got a set of SPECT scans done, and was told they are

consistent with toxic brain injuries. (I have no idea what a scan of an ASD kid

should look like, but I have to wonder. I anybody wants to swap scans and get a

look, just email me.)

The result was that I got to look at how large and spread out those

hyperperfused areas really are. The amount of weird phenomena and dysfunctions

that could strike within a single population of affected people is just amazing

- and now I can see why. We have no way of predicting which messages and

functions will go wrong at which time.

One thing surpised me, and that was that the doctor wanted to talk

about autism. I assumed it was because of the toxic connection. But then,

I was surprised even more when he started talking to me about ADD. ADD? I never

had a problem like that in my life before! But - it wasn't represented as an

area of hypoperfusion. It was represented as an area of hyperactivity. As

was another area - and that's when he started talking about skotopic

sensitivity. He explained this to me as a brain dysfunction, rather than an eye

problem. I wasn't able to process certain light spectra properly. My visual

perception was fouled up, and in the end translated into a level of irritability

and sensistivity that would have been difficult to understand, if I hadn't seen

a demonstration and visited an Irlen Diagnostician to see what can be done with

those colored lenses. Again, I was dealing with someone who most often deals

with ASD and learning disabilities.

When I saw Stan's new video, my first thought went to what might have

been happening to that guy's brain on MB12. Some of what he reported and what

was observed matched what I reported and what was observed when the skotopic

sensitivity was fixed - and results were instant. The pitch and volume of my

voice came down (I was told), I began to smile " all over " at the

sense of sudden relief and comfort, and I was raptly looking at things -

because they looked so very different when I could see them clearly. I had been

struggling with word searches and trying to avoid stammering just a minute

earlier, but not now. I walked right out into a sunlit day without inwardly

flinching at the bright light and was entranced at seeing all the pretty colors.

Believe me - If I was high, I was on a total natch. That was an

" ahhh " factor that would make anybody smile. Can MB12 actually do

this for some people? I can't answer that. It doesn't work that way for

me, but I think it's probably a good question. I'm sure the

Pharmacologist has a much better shot at figuring that one out than I do.

Kids who repeat actions again and again? And they get annoyed when you

interrupt the activity? Does this bear a resemblance to the toxic adults I know

who practice their own versions of this in order to block out painful stimuli

and distraction? (Simple repetitive video games are a big draw with the

adults.) Do the kids instinctively block everyone out because they are seeking

some level of comfort? I sure know a lot of toxic adults who isolate socially

and demand rigid order in their surroundings in order to cope. Fighting through

the cognitive problems is hard enough when things are calm and

controlled. Just add people and sound and movement, and the world turns into

an undecipherable jumble. When the doc mentioned ASD kids having to have the

tags cut out of their clothing, I laughed outright. I've been meticulously

doing that since my last acute exposure to mycotoxins. When the guy in the

video was made so uncomfortable by the extended hand? Yeah - seemed like a

normal thing to you, but I know about times when it would have had me jumping

right out of my chair. Devil's, hands, ostrich feathers - it wouldn't

matter. It's the hypersensitivity that does it. When you're sick enough, a

brick wall and baby's breath might as well be the same thing. It's scary

when the world moves so much faster than your senses can process

it. Are the kids shutting it out because they can't stand it, either? It's

not crazy, and it's not unexplainable. It's intoxication - if it's tripping,

it's a bad trip.

I was excited by all the possibilities in what I saw and heard. The

doctors I saw were excited about it, too. This was a great opportunity to kind

of cross-discipline a little. I can't state what the clear differences are

between ASD in a child and toxic encephalopathy in an adult, except that

they are children and we adults have more experiences and information to use as

coping tools. Perhaps it's because the kids have more heavy metals problems

than many of the adults. I can ask questions all day that I can't exactly

answer. All I will suggest is that if you would like to know more about chronic

neurotoxins other than metals, use the following links. You'll get a whole

new level of understanding that goes far, far beyond yeast alone, and the book

is well worth the read. (You'll find out they've been wondering about your

kids, too.) Meanwhile, I'm going to go back to lurking and seeing what

else I can learn from you guys. So far, it's served me very well and I thank

you!

http://www.moldwarriors.com

http://chronicneurotoxins.com

Serena

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Hi Serena,

Hmm, you didn't take my bait. Kind of a " take the high road " kind of gal.

I do have some spect scan examples from Dr. Uzsler (spelling) at UCLA.

They are

at my uncles right now, but if you look at his website I think he has it there

as well.

www.drspectscan.com

And you may also want to look at my MB12 video that shows normalization of brain

of

QEEG brain activity in an adult with ADD through an MB12 application. The video

is on

www.recoveryvideos.com

I suspect MB12 actually helps improve blood flow as well, and I suspect that

hyperbarics

would improve QEEG imaging. I need to work on a couple trials to see for sure.

I, and I believe many of us, agree with much of what you wrote. For just

getting started

there are a lot of solid observations in there. Autism has a significant

toxicity element to

it. All the kids are. Where is ground zero? Many have ideas, and I suspect

it's different for

each person, like an abstract painting with all the colors representing a toxin.

The more

we learn about the toxins in our kids, the more we learn about our most chronic

illness...

as I've learned.

Just about all of the strategies we talk about here when used on children (and

adults) with

chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, asthma, headaches, speech delay, excema etc...

seem to

work wonders. I think it's one of the most important finds this century... if

not maybe the

last couple decades, but I'm a bit biased I guess.

Anyway, the concept of other disciplines knowing more than we do about certain

toxins

including fungus makes sense and I for one will take a peek at these links.

- Stan

>

> So - the mechanics of this thing. Just the effects on the rest of the body are

way too

complex to get into here. You can always read up if you're interested. Suffice

to say that

neurotoxins leave no body system untouched. But I've been more interested in the

brain

lately. The ideas about hypoperfusion are just as prevalent with mold victims as

mentioned

in the video concerning ASD. I recently got a set of SPECT scans done, and was

told they

are consistent with toxic brain injuries. (I have no idea what a scan of an ASD

kid should

look like, but I have to wonder. I anybody wants to swap scans and get a look,

just email

me.)

>

> The result was that I got to look at how large and spread out those

hyperperfused

areas really are. The amount of weird phenomena and dysfunctions that could

strike

within a single population of affected people is just amazing - and now I can

see why. We

have no way of predicting which messages and functions will go wrong at which

time.

>

> One thing surpised me, and that was that the doctor wanted to talk about

autism. I

assumed it was because of the toxic connection. But then, I was surprised even

more when

he started talking to me about ADD. ADD? I never had a problem like that in my

life

before! But - it wasn't represented as an area of hypoperfusion. It was

represented as an

area of hyperactivity. As was another area - and that's when he started talking

about

skotopic sensitivity. He explained this to me as a brain dysfunction, rather

than an eye

problem. I wasn't able to process certain light spectra properly. My visual

perception was

fouled up, and in the end translated into a level of irritability and

sensistivity that would

have been difficult to understand, if I hadn't seen a demonstration and visited

an Irlen

Diagnostician to see what can be done with those colored lenses. Again, I was

dealing with

someone who most often deals with ASD and learning disabilities.

>

> When I saw Stan's new video, my first thought went to what might have been

happening to that guy's brain on MB12. Some of what he reported and what was

observed

matched what I reported and what was observed when the skotopic sensitivity was

fixed -

and results were instant. The pitch and volume of my voice came down (I was

told), I

began to smile " all over " at the sense of sudden relief and comfort, and I was

raptly

looking at things - because they looked so very different when I could see them

clearly. I

had been struggling with word searches and trying to avoid stammering just a

minute

earlier, but not now. I walked right out into a sunlit day without inwardly

flinching at the

bright light and was entranced at seeing all the pretty colors. Believe me - If

I was high, I

was on a total natch. That was an " ahhh " factor that would make anybody smile.

Can MB12

actually do this for some people? I can't answer that. It doesn't work that way

for me, but I

think it's probably a

> good question. I'm sure the Pharmacologist has a much better shot at figuring

that one

out than I do.

>

> Kids who repeat actions again and again? And they get annoyed when you

interrupt the

activity? Does this bear a resemblance to the toxic adults I know who practice

their own

versions of this in order to block out painful stimuli and distraction? (Simple

repetitive

video games are a big draw with the adults.) Do the kids instinctively block

everyone out

because they are seeking some level of comfort? I sure know a lot of toxic

adults who

isolate socially and demand rigid order in their surroundings in order to cope.

Fighting

through the cognitive problems is hard enough when things are calm and

controlled. Just

add people and sound and movement, and the world turns into an undecipherable

jumble.

When the doc mentioned ASD kids having to have the tags cut out of their

clothing, I

laughed outright. I've been meticulously doing that since my last acute exposure

to

mycotoxins. When the guy in the video was made so uncomfortable by the extended

hand?

Yeah - seemed like a normal

> thing to you, but I know about times when it would have had me jumping right

out of

my chair. Devil's, hands, ostrich feathers - it wouldn't matter. It's the

hypersensitivity that

does it. When you're sick enough, a brick wall and baby's breath might as well

be the same

thing. It's scary when the world moves so much faster than your senses can

process it. Are

the kids shutting it out because they can't stand it, either? It's not crazy,

and it's not

unexplainable. It's intoxication - if it's tripping, it's a bad trip.

>

> I was excited by all the possibilities in what I saw and heard. The doctors

I saw were

excited about it, too. This was a great opportunity to kind of cross-discipline

a little. I

can't state what the clear differences are between ASD in a child and toxic

encephalopathy

in an adult, except that they are children and we adults have more experiences

and

information to use as coping tools. Perhaps it's because the kids have more

heavy metals

problems than many of the adults. I can ask questions all day that I can't

exactly answer.

All I will suggest is that if you would like to know more about chronic

neurotoxins other

than metals, use the following links. You'll get a whole new level of

understanding that

goes far, far beyond yeast alone, and the book is well worth the read. (You'll

find out

they've been wondering about your kids, too.) Meanwhile, I'm going to go back

to lurking

and seeing what else I can learn from you guys. So far, it's served me very well

and I thank

you!

>

> http://www.moldwarriors.com

> http://chronicneurotoxins.com

>

> Serena

>

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December 13, 2006

It's hard to tell where the cascade begins and what exactly effects what along

the way so if

I were to speculate what came first, second, third... I could only be right once

in a while for

certain kids...

What I can say is my general belief that somewhere along the line the immune

system

becomes disregulated and in this state often become chronically active and there

is a shift

to autoimmunity. There are many things that can cause that in the environment.

Mercury

and other metals, pesticides, pcbs... maybe even fungus itself (mold absolutely

included...

some of the worst cases I've seen in autism were molt induced.)

Once the immune system has broken down the toxins of all different types begin

to build

and when the tipping point is reached you begin to have an autistic child....

(or chronically

ill for some).

That's my view of it.

This concept is really the beginnings of environmental medicine and these kids

are likely

the more biologically fragile in our society. If you ask me, they were/are

destined for

greatness because some of the most bright folks have physical challenges...

frail bodies

but amazing minds. You see the nerotransmitters needed to have a good mind are

the

same ones needed to have a good immune system. So if you focus on one, I

believe you

eventually take away from another.

Our kids were meant to be the brightest and it left them vonerable to humanities

(environmental) ignorance.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Has the abnormal white matter been tested..is it brain matter or some

> > > other matter...fungal...? This is making me ill. You're welcome,

> > > thanks for the video.

> > >

> > White matter doesn't refer to fungal material. It is the structure of

> > the brain itself. Grey matter is on the surface of the brain, I think

> > it's a 1/2 inch thick layer. White matter is normally underneath the

> > gray matter. See wikipedia for a more detailed explanation.

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_matter

> >

> > Jen

> >

>

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Sure, Stan. What I really heard in the video sounded like some of the first questions I asked as a mold patient, and since then from dozens of others. I only meant to say that I think you're moving in the right direction, but on very limited info at this point. I don't believe the guy was "high". Maybe giddy from a sudden outbreak of relative wellness, but not high, I don't think. We're talking about two different things here - or maybe three, if you include allergy. Candida, when it colonizes the body, creates a number of problems as it grows there. It can and does create its own toxins. In sufficient quantity or over along enough period, anyone would get sick. But when the candida is stopped, the illness would resolve. Any remaining toxins would be excreted through the gut. In those who have the genetic problem, the fungus may be gone, but the toxins, which are attracted to fat cells,

stay on and circulate virtually forever. They are small enough to be constantly reabsorbed in the intestine. For those people, no colonization is necessary at all. It doesn't have to come from candida, either. Enough time in a damp building can do it. It only takes 48 hours for the spores naturally embedded in gypsum drywall to start colonizing successfully, and often this is going on inside walls or in crawl spaces where you don't see it. Other materials can be colonized, of course, but gypsum and ventilation systems are a fave. Those bad boys can be any of dozens of species, but aspergillus, fusarium, and penecillium species are very common, some worse than others, but none of them good for humans. Instead of ergot alkaloids, you'd want to be looking at tricothcenes, satratoxins, ochratoxins, and the like. The mycotoxins themselves are only tiny chemical metabolites, so once they get airborn, they can stay suspended for a very long time, and you end

up breathing or eating them. They can and do cross the blood/brain barrier easily, and they go right through HEPA filters. That's a big reason why mold remediators wear hazmat gear. Schools and environmentally controlled office buildings are also faves. The schools usually stay closed up over the summers and maintenance tends to be driven more by budget than by practical need. Office buildings don't even have windows that open these days, so they also make nice fungal habitats. Many of these are buildings are of a type of construction that was never used until the mid 1900's, and now they are aging. Antibiotics in the 40's, drywall in the 50's and 60's, more childhood vaccines in the 70's and 80's, and suddenly we've got MS, CFS, and a whole range of vastly increased chronic illness in adults, asthma in both kids and adults, all the other stuff with the kids. This is just and expanded view of the same picture you were already

looking at. The end result can be that at some point, the toxic load you carry (including other toxins) reaches critical mass, and then you're stuck with neurological illness that blows through every body system, disrupting endocrine balance, disturbing cardiopulmonary function (to the point where you see all that hypoperfusion in the brain), messing your immune system, and disturbing methylation cycles. Virus, allergy, cognitive disturbance, and all kinds of other purgatory rains down on you, because nothing works right any more. People all around you can breeze right through the very same situation while you're falling apart. So little is understood about this right now, that of course you can end up questioning your own sanity right along with everyone else. So, I keep hearing tales of odd effects and behaviors in the kids that appear to come out of nowhere. It might not make any sense to anyone else,

and I know it can drive their parents nuts, but I've done some pretty weird things myself in response to unseen chemicals no one else in room was feeling. Just about all of it is comfort-seeking behavior - instinctive reactions to pain or discomfort that don't make any sense to an onlooker. The closest comparison I can make is more like a really horrible hangover than like being high (don't ask me how I know : ). Which makes sense - a hangover is the very last stage of intoxication. Your softest clothing feels like razor blades, distant sounds no one else even notices are like sonic booms, what was tasty yesterday makes you want to toss just thinking about it, and it's a coin flip whether you sleep or drum or scream or whatever until it finally passes. You automaticlly do whichever seems to relive the discomfort. What I don't know, as I said, is exactly how this operates in ASD kids. There's absolutely no way

the mycotoxins problem and ASD are exclusive of each other - that's already been established. But I'm thinking that it's probably a combo of whatever they picked up in utero, plus the vaccines, plus evironmental exposures to mycotoxins and others. The kids simply hit the limit far, far earlier than someone like me. And once you hit it, the level of sensitivity to those particular toxins is no less than the extremes the parents here talk about. (In the end, I'm doing antivirals, antifungals, MB12, detox, and supps not unlike what many of the kids are doing. A neurotoxin by any other name...) If what I propose is true, then it's possible that some percentage of these kids need a whole additional type of detox, such as cholestyramine - which binds to the toxins as they circulate through the gut so they cannot be reabsorbed. It's a totally different process than killing candida or chelating metals, and MB12 alone shouldn't be even

remotely capable of doing that job. (I'd roll with the increased perfusion idea with the video subject, but I'm only guessing.) Just knowing what the mycotoxins alone can do has me wondering if this issue isn't holding some of the kids back from responding to these other protocols.With adults, the testing is done with a fast, inexpensive, and accurate vision test, a history, and the genetic testing if the first two look suspicious. I suppose that would all have to be adapted to suit the situation, but it _is_ possible to know objectively whether it's an issue or not. If it is, you end the exposure any way you have to do it, get the detox going, and avoid further exposures for the rest of your life. There is no cure at this time. Like diabetes, you learn to manage, and hopefully, you get to it before the damage becomes permanent. So - it's an option. You'll find that this biotoxin issue is no less well financed and politicized than

the vaccine problem. These are both rapidly advancing areas of illness and research the government would prefer to ignore, so that part of the experience is very, very similar. There are a few doctors looking at both sides of it, but these are life-devastating events. We all tend to get caught up in our own issues full time, and maybe not talk as much as we ought to. I was completely surprised to find that various practitioners I've been in touch with lately all said the same thing to me - they were used to dealing with patients who couldn't really tell them what it was like, and they really wanted to know. They knew about mold patients, but hadn't seen many of them yet who could talk about it. In return, I got treated for some problems no one on the "moldy" side of the house had been helping me with. So of course, I'm thinking the reverse just might also be true. I do know you can knock yourself out with

these various other treatments, but they can only succeed just so far as long as the mycotoxins are still present and disrupting your efforts. As nearly as I can tell, at the very least 25% of the kids are statistically bound to be vulnerable, so it's not really a longshot. The genetic markers have been tested against several thousand patients now. Shoemaker went down to New Orleans last year and tested and treated a thousand or so first responders, and was able to reconfirm his findings. Even if the child hasn't got the actual exposure problem yet, you'd at least know to protect them from it. I'm reasoning that any child with a toxin load already so heavy as to do all of this to them is simply not going to fare well in an exposure. Would love to hear your ideas on this whenever you find time. [Just as an aside - a little over a year ago, it was found that the women with the saline breast implants who got

so sick? Yep. Fungus. Aspergillus was found growing in the excised implants. The surgeon who figured it out knew about the fungus, but not the mycotoxins. These women were both colonized and poisoned. It's a little different for them - they tend to develop fibromyalgia, but they're getting treated now.] __________________________________________________

December 13, 2006

Thanks Serena for the very educational posts. I so agree with this.

Gayatri

Antibiotics in the 40's, drywall in the 50's and 60's, more

childhood vaccines in the 70's and 80's, and suddenly we've got MS,

CFS, and a whole range of vastly increased chronic illness in

adults, asthma in both kids and adults, all the other stuff with the

kids. This is just and expanded view of the same picture you were

already looking at.

>

> The end result can be that at some point, the toxic load you

carry (including other toxins) reaches critical mass, and then

you're stuck with neurological illness that blows through every body

system, disrupting endocrine balance, disturbing cardiopulmonary

function (to the point where you see all that hypoperfusion in the

brain), messing your immune system, and disturbing methylation

cycles. Virus, allergy, cognitive disturbance, and all kinds of

other purgatory rains down on you, because nothing works right any

more.

December 13, 2006

Gee, Stan, you're starting to sound like you're looking for a fight, lol. I think we can safely leave the low road stuff to the defense firms and government types. Don't even get me started... I have seen your other vids. I was impressed. The main thing that got my attention was the eye contact improvement. I've caught myself at it many many times, and just couldn't fix it no matter how hard I tried. I interpret (and experienced) that behavior as another example of automatically shutting off overwhelming stimuli in order to maintain focus and orientation. Once I thought about it a bit more, I saw that really getting face to face with another human is a lot more than the simple act of looking at them. It's an active and complex task that requires absorbing millions of bits of information and motion and interpreting and responding to it all. Direct contact with another human just eats up loads of attention and

energy. Unfortunately, other people may mistake it for shyness or dishonesty when an adult doesn't meet their eye. I thought looking for more eye contact was a really simple but fantastic measure of less effortful thought and focus, and that's what your subjects were reporting as well - another good lesson from autism. There are some existing theories about CFS and its ilk being, in part, a case of the body and brain shutting down all non-essential functions so you can survive the metabolic failures. I tend to think there's some truth in there, and this eye-contact phenom is just another part of it. Mold people don't really talk about it. MS people don't really talk about it. I had to observe some of them myself and ask around, but it's definitely there - just not as profound as the kids, because speech continues. Maybe that's because adults already have language skills when they get into trouble? On the

other hand, the divorce rate amongst biotoxin patients rises to 70%. That visual interaction is really primal stuff. It's awfully hard for the undamaged loved ones to not take it personally. A parent usually perseveres, where a spouse usually won't. None of the doctors argued with me about MB12 - they all approved whole-heartedly and said go for it. There was a neurologist, a holist who treats toxic injuries, and a psychiatrist in the crowd, so it was a nice little cross-disciplinary poll. Not one seemed to think it was a panacea or a one-shot solution to any given problem, but all knew what it was and thought it was probably an excellent supportive therapy. They are equally enthused with EFA, and every one of them was quick to tell me they use it themselves. They all made EFA brand and type recommendations like regular connoisseurs...or die-hard sports fans.

I still have a lot more to learn about how MB12 does its thing. Possibly, those really amazing effects don't happen until the total toxin load is low enough for the effects to show? The very sickest people would definitely not be finding their way to your office. They don't get out much. Other ideas - the deficiency simply isn't present in everyone; or perhaps it doesn't matter what the MB12 could do if the lack of perfusion keeps it from being delivered to the whole brain. You got the EEG's - it would be neat to see it done with SPECT. I supposed we'd have to scan for papers to see if anyone has tried that. I'm still looking for the autism scans. I didn't find them yet. I'll have to look around some more later. I do know that Hauser (on the front page of your link) treats mold patients and uses HBOT, from what I hear. Perhaps someone else could tell me - in mold patients, the hypoperfusion

issue goes far beyond the brain. It's a whole-body problem, because the heart isn't cranking out enough liters per minute to perfuse a kitchen sponge efficiently. Is that also true with the kids? I'm off to look around for those scans again. __________________________________________________

December 14, 2006

Serena,It's time to write a book! This stuff is amazing and horrifying all at the same time. Thank you.Nora Sure, Stan. What I really heard in the video sounded like some of the first questions I asked as a mold patient, and since then from dozens of others. I only meant to say that I think you're moving in the right direction, but on very limited info at this point. I don't believe the guy was "high". Maybe giddy from a sudden outbreak of relative wellness, but not high, I don't think. We're talking about two different things here - or maybe three, if you include allergy. Candida, when it colonizes the body, creates a number of problems as it grows there. It can and does create its own toxins. In sufficient quantity or over along enough period, anyone would get sick. But when the candida is stopped, the illness would resolve. Any remaining toxins would be excreted through the gut. In those who have the genetic problem, the fungus may be gone, but the toxins, which are attracted to fat cells, stay on and circulate virtually forever. They are small enough to be constantly reabsorbed in the intestine. For those people, no colonization is necessary at all. It doesn't have to come from candida, either. Enough time in a damp building can do it. It only takes 48 hours for the spores naturally embedded in gypsum drywall to start colonizing successfully, and often this is going on inside walls or in crawl spaces where you don't see it. Other materials can be colonized, of course, but gypsum and ventilation systems are a fave. Those bad boys can be any of dozens of species, but aspergillus, fusarium, and penecillium species are very common, some worse than others, but none of them good for humans. Instead of ergot alkaloids, you'd want to be looking at tricothcenes, satratoxins, ochratoxins, and the like. The mycotoxins themselves are only tiny chemical metabolites, so once they get airborn, they can stay suspended for a very long time, and you end up breathing or eating them. They can and do cross the blood/brain barrier easily, and they go right through HEPA filters. That's a big reason why mold remediators wear hazmat gear. Schools and environmentally controlled office buildings are also faves. The schools usually stay closed up over the summers and maintenance tends to be driven more by budget than by practical need. Office buildings don't even have windows that open these days, so they also make nice fungal habitats. Many of these are buildings are of a type of construction that was never used until the mid 1900's, and now they are aging. Antibiotics in the 40's, drywall in the 50's and 60's, more childhood vaccines in the 70's and 80's, and suddenly we've got MS, CFS, and a whole range of vastly increased chronic illness in adults, asthma in both kids and adults, all the other stuff with the kids. This is just and expanded view of the same picture you were already looking at. The end result can be that at some point, the toxic load you carry (including other toxins) reaches critical mass, and then you're stuck with neurological illness that blows through every body system, disrupting endocrine balance, disturbing cardiopulmonary function (to the point where you see all that hypoperfusion in the brain), messing your immune system, and disturbing methylation cycles. Virus, allergy, cognitive disturbance, and all kinds of other purgatory rains down on you, because nothing works right any more. People all around you can breeze right through the very same situation while you're falling apart. So little is understood about this right now, that of course you can end up questioning your own sanity right along with everyone else. So, I keep hearing tales of odd effects and behaviors in the kids that appear to come out of nowhere. It might not make any sense to anyone else, and I know it can drive their parents nuts, but I've done some pretty weird things myself in response to unseen chemicals no one else in room was feeling. Just about all of it is comfort-seeking behavior - instinctive reactions to pain or discomfort that don't make any sense to an onlooker. The closest comparison I can make is more like a really horrible hangover than like being high (don't ask me how I know : ). Which makes sense - a hangover is the very last stage of intoxication. Your softest clothing feels like razor blades, distant sounds no one else even notices are like sonic booms, what was tasty yesterday makes you want to toss just thinking about it, and it's a coin flip whether you sleep or drum or scream or whatever until it finally passes. You automaticlly do whichever seems to relive the discomfort. What I don't know, as I said, is exactly how this operates in ASD kids. There's absolutely no way the mycotoxins problem and ASD are exclusive of each other - that's already been established. But I'm thinking that it's probably a combo of whatever they picked up in utero, plus the vaccines, plus evironmental exposures to mycotoxins and others. The kids simply hit the limit far, far earlier than someone like me. And once you hit it, the level of sensitivity to those particular toxins is no less than the extremes the parents here talk about. (In the end, I'm doing antivirals, antifungals, MB12, detox, and supps not unlike what many of the kids are doing. A neurotoxin by any other name...) If what I propose is true, then it's possible that some percentage of these kids need a whole additional type of detox, such as cholestyramine - which binds to the toxins as they circulate through the gut so they cannot be reabsorbed. It's a totally different process than killing candida or chelating metals, and MB12 alone shouldn't be even remotely capable of doing that job. (I'd roll with the increased perfusion idea with the video subject, but I'm only guessing.) Just knowing what the mycotoxins alone can do has me wondering if this issue isn't holding some of the kids back from responding to these other protocols.With adults, the testing is done with a fast, inexpensive, and accurate vision test, a history, and the genetic testing if the first two look suspicious. I suppose that would all have to be adapted to suit the situation, but it _is_ possible to know objectively whether it's an issue or not. If it is, you end the exposure any way you have to do it, get the detox going, and avoid further exposures for the rest of your life. There is no cure at this time. Like diabetes, you learn to manage, and hopefully, you get to it before the damage becomes permanent. So - it's an option. You'll find that this biotoxin issue is no less well financed and politicized than the vaccine problem. These are both rapidly advancing areas of illness and research the government would prefer to ignore, so that part of the experience is very, very similar. There are a few doctors looking at both sides of it, but these are life-devastating events. We all tend to get caught up in our own issues full time, and maybe not talk as much as we ought to. I was completely surprised to find that various practitioners I've been in touch with lately all said the same thing to me - they were used to dealing with patients who couldn't really tell them what it was like, and they really wanted to know. They knew about mold patients, but hadn't seen many of them yet who could talk about it. In return, I got treated for some problems no one on the "moldy" side of the house had been helping me with. So of course, I'm thinking the reverse just might also be true. I do know you can knock yourself out with these various other treatments, but they can only succeed just so far as long as the mycotoxins are still present and disrupting your efforts. As nearly as I can tell, at the very least 25% of the kids are statistically bound to be vulnerable, so it's not really a longshot. The genetic markers have been tested against several thousand patients now. Shoemaker went down to New Orleans last year and tested and treated a thousand or so first responders, and was able to reconfirm his findings. Even if the child hasn't got the actual exposure problem yet, you'd at least know to protect them from it. I'm reasoning that any child with a toxin load already so heavy as to do all of this to them is simply not going to fare well in an exposure. Would love to hear your ideas on this whenever you find time. [Just as an aside - a little over a year ago, it was found that the women with the saline breast implants who got so sick? Yep. Fungus. Aspergillus was found growing in the excised implants. The surgeon who figured it out knew about the fungus, but not the mycotoxins. These women were both colonized and poisoned. It's a little different for them - they tend to develop fibromyalgia, but they're getting treated now.] __________________________________________________

December 14, 2006

I don't know how much more high he could have been. He was holucinating and the

VP of

Doctor's Data was there verifying it. The second dose he was just getting the

typical

clarity effect, but he was clearly high as a kite the first night that he

describes in detail

with flames that look like glass, moving lights that didn't exist, his friend

looking to him

like the devil straight out of hell, being scared of us moving our hands at him,

the perm-

a-grin look, etc. I was there, others were there, the camera was there... he

was tripping

there is not question about it. I think you may be confused about the following

day when

we dosed him the second time and he just felt clear and things were vivid.

That's the

typical effect of MB12. The tripping happened the night before.

" We're talking about two different things here - or maybe three, if you include

allergy.

Candida, when it colonizes the body, creates a number of problems as it grows

there. It

can and does create its own toxins. In sufficient quantity or over along enough

period,

anyone would get sick. But when the candida is stopped, the illness would

resolve. Any

remaining toxins would be excreted through the gut. "

Are you sure you wantched the video closely? I never talked about candida. I

just said

fungus (although I mentioned ergot in relationship to the grains and lsd since

that has

already happened and could still be happening to the wheat products we eat).

Fugus causes alkoloids and other toxins (micotoxins included) that do not

immediately

leave the body. Some are fat soluable and get stuck in the fatty tissues

including the

brain.

I suspect one of the reasons for gains with Liver Life has to do with changes in

PH which

help lock the toxins in the fat and not let them leak out as the PH goes down.

Anyway, if we are talking about if Eddie was tripping or just feeling good, I've

seen more

first doses of MB12 than just about anyone on the planet and I can tell you his

experience

was quite abnormal and not just a healing experience. The boy was tripping like

I've never

seen before and our friend at Doctor's Data has some experience in watching

people trip

on LSD and he was right there and says so on film. I don't know what more

evidence I can

present you. Eddie saying he was tripping, me saying he was tripping,

Quig PhD

saying he was tripping, video showing he was tripping, and evidence that others

have

tripped on fungal toxins. I'm not sure what else I can provide you.

That said, I'm not minimizing the effects of micotoxins as well. I include that

as a fungal

toxin. Where just talking about different fungal toxins here. It's the same

shirt and were

bantering over the different types of material in the shirt.

And I'm listening to you and I'll check out cholestyramine.

- Stan

>

> Sure, Stan. What I really heard in the video sounded like some of the first

questions I

asked as a mold patient, and since then from dozens of others. I only meant to

say that I

think you're moving in the right direction, but on very limited info at this

point. I don't

believe the guy was " high " . Maybe giddy from a sudden outbreak of relative

wellness, but

not high, I don't think.

>

> We're talking about two different things here - or maybe three, if you

include allergy.

Candida, when it colonizes the body, creates a number of problems as it grows

there. It

can and does create its own toxins. In sufficient quantity or over along enough

period,

anyone would get sick. But when the candida is stopped, the illness would

resolve. Any

remaining toxins would be excreted through the gut.

>

> In those who have the genetic problem, the fungus may be gone, but the

toxins, which

are attracted to fat cells, stay on and circulate virtually forever. They are

small enough to

be constantly reabsorbed in the intestine. For those people, no colonization is

necessary at

all. It doesn't have to come from candida, either. Enough time in a damp

building can do

it. It only takes 48 hours for the spores naturally embedded in gypsum drywall

to start

colonizing successfully, and often this is going on inside walls or in crawl

spaces where

you don't see it. Other materials can be colonized, of course, but gypsum and

ventilation

systems are a fave. Those bad boys can be any of dozens of species, but

aspergillus,

fusarium, and penecillium species are very common, some worse than others, but

none of

them good for humans. Instead of ergot alkaloids, you'd want to be looking at

tricothcenes, satratoxins, ochratoxins, and the like. The mycotoxins themselves

are only

tiny chemical

> metabolites, so once they get airborn, they can stay suspended for a very

long time,

and you end up breathing or eating them. They can and do cross the blood/brain

barrier

easily, and they go right through HEPA filters. That's a big reason why mold

remediators

wear hazmat gear.

>

> Schools and environmentally controlled office buildings are also faves. The

schools

usually stay closed up over the summers and maintenance tends to be driven more

by

budget than by practical need. Office buildings don't even have windows that

open these

days, so they also make nice fungal habitats. Many of these are buildings are

of a type of

construction that was never used until the mid 1900's, and now they are aging.

Antibiotics

in the 40's, drywall in the 50's and 60's, more childhood vaccines in the 70's

and 80's, and

suddenly we've got MS, CFS, and a whole range of vastly increased chronic

illness in

adults, asthma in both kids and adults, all the other stuff with the kids. This

is just and

expanded view of the same picture you were already looking at.

>

> The end result can be that at some point, the toxic load you carry

(including other

toxins) reaches critical mass, and then you're stuck with neurological illness

that blows

through every body system, disrupting endocrine balance, disturbing

cardiopulmonary

function (to the point where you see all that hypoperfusion in the brain),

messing your

immune system, and disturbing methylation cycles. Virus, allergy, cognitive

disturbance,

and all kinds of other purgatory rains down on you, because nothing works right

any

more. People all around you can breeze right through the very same situation

while you're

falling apart. So little is understood about this right now, that of course you

can end up

questioning your own sanity right along with everyone else.

>

> So, I keep hearing tales of odd effects and behaviors in the kids that

appear to come

out of nowhere. It might not make any sense to anyone else, and I know it can

drive their

parents nuts, but I've done some pretty weird things myself in response to

unseen

chemicals no one else in room was feeling. Just about all of it is

comfort-seeking behavior

- instinctive reactions to pain or discomfort that don't make any sense to an

onlooker. The

closest comparison I can make is more like a really horrible hangover than like

being high

(don't ask me how I know : ). Which makes sense - a hangover is the very last

stage of

intoxication. Your softest clothing feels like razor blades, distant sounds no

one else even

notices are like sonic booms, what was tasty yesterday makes you want to toss

just

thinking about it, and it's a coin flip whether you sleep or drum or scream or

whatever

until it finally passes. You automaticlly do whichever seems to relive the

discomfort.

>

> What I don't know, as I said, is exactly how this operates in ASD kids.

There's

absolutely no way the mycotoxins problem and ASD are exclusive of each other -

that's

already been established. But I'm thinking that it's probably a combo of

whatever they

picked up in utero, plus the vaccines, plus evironmental exposures to mycotoxins

and

others. The kids simply hit the limit far, far earlier than someone like me.

And once you

hit it, the level of sensitivity to those particular toxins is no less than the

extremes the

parents here talk about. (In the end, I'm doing antivirals, antifungals, MB12,

detox, and

supps not unlike what many of the kids are doing. A neurotoxin by any other

name...)

>

> If what I propose is true, then it's possible that some percentage of these

kids need a

whole additional type of detox, such as cholestyramine - which binds to the

toxins as they

circulate through the gut so they cannot be reabsorbed. It's a totally different

process than

killing candida or chelating metals, and MB12 alone shouldn't be even remotely

capable of

doing that job. (I'd roll with the increased perfusion idea with the video

subject, but I'm

only guessing.) Just knowing what the mycotoxins alone can do has me wondering

if this

issue isn't holding some of the kids back from responding to these other

protocols.With

adults, the testing is done with a fast, inexpensive, and accurate vision test,

a history, and

the genetic testing if the first two look suspicious. I suppose that would all

have to be

adapted to suit the situation, but it _is_ possible to know objectively whether

it's an issue

or not. If it is, you end the exposure any way you have to do it, get the

> detox going, and avoid further exposures for the rest of your life. There is

no cure at

this time. Like diabetes, you learn to manage, and hopefully, you get to it

before the

damage becomes permanent.

>

> So - it's an option. You'll find that this biotoxin issue is no less well

financed and

politicized than the vaccine problem. These are both rapidly advancing areas of

illness and

research the government would prefer to ignore, so that part of the experience

is very,

very similar. There are a few doctors looking at both sides of it, but these are

life-

devastating events. We all tend to get caught up in our own issues full time,

and maybe

not talk as much as we ought to. I was completely surprised to find that various

practitioners I've been in touch with lately all said the same thing to me -

they were used

to dealing with patients who couldn't really tell them what it was like, and

they really

wanted to know. They knew about mold patients, but hadn't seen many of them yet

who

could talk about it. In return, I got treated for some problems no one on the

" moldy " side

of the house had been helping me with. So of course, I'm thinking the reverse

just might

also be true.

>

> I do know you can knock yourself out with these various other treatments,

but they can

only succeed just so far as long as the mycotoxins are still present and

disrupting your

efforts. As nearly as I can tell, at the very least 25% of the kids are

statistically bound to be

vulnerable, so it's not really a longshot. The genetic markers have been tested

against

several thousand patients now. Shoemaker went down to New Orleans last year and

tested

and treated a thousand or so first responders, and was able to reconfirm his

findings.

Even if the child hasn't got the actual exposure problem yet, you'd at least

know to protect

them from it. I'm reasoning that any child with a toxin load already so heavy as

to do all of

this to them is simply not going to fare well in an exposure. Would love to hear

your ideas

on this whenever you find time.

>

> [Just as an aside - a little over a year ago, it was found that the women

with the saline

breast implants who got so sick? Yep. Fungus. Aspergillus was found growing in

the

excised implants. The surgeon who figured it out knew about the fungus, but not

the

mycotoxins. These women were both colonized and poisoned. It's a little

different for

them - they tend to develop fibromyalgia, but they're getting treated now.]

>

> __________________________________________________

>

December 14, 2006

Ok, cholestyramine.

I totally agree this could help... as could most cholesterol effecting

medications. Many

fungal toxins are oily in nature. If you look at dad's of ASD kids you'll often

see oily

scalps. I was like that as well. Not too far from an ASD child you'll find

some type of lipid

issue that is typically related more to fungus than fats in the diet.

This is all connected.

As far as I'm concerned, I would also consider cholestramine (or many of the

cholesterol

meds) based on my research in fungal toxins being oily in nature and effecting

lipid

motabolism, but I would try some naturals first and I mention them in the video.

Niacin (tid)

L-Carnatine (tid)

and St. 's Wart

(and OLE/Valtrex and Diflucan/Nizoral)

I accidently came across L-Carnatine because I was suggesting children who take

fatty

acids take L-Carnatine and a teenager involved at my school with a serious

colesterol

problem resolved in two weeks of using L-Carnatine.

If you look at Niacin treatment you'll find it causes rashes not too disimilar

to the rashes

we see with Valtrex and Diflucan/Nizoral.

Basically if you want to get rid of oily fungal toxins, focus on lipid

motabolism and

mitochondria activity when they are in the blood. For our kids, to get the

toxins from the

fat into the blood consider MB12, Valtrex or OLE with Diflucan or Nizoral.

Also, consider

HBOT to help push the toxins out of the cells by putting oxygen in there. I've

observed

this and will report on it later. I've been working on HBOT every day as well.

Maybe we should be supplementing with lipid therapy before HBOT....

This also probablly explains why we have seen some strange reports about Valtrex

and

HBOT. Valtrex and an antifungal might help mobilize the toxins into the blood

and then

HBOT pushes them into the cells and the kids react. I think we might want to

get the

toxins out of the fat, then out of the body (and some into the cells to burn it

off) then add

fatty acids, then HBOT them (repeat as necessary).

I'm going to put together some new protocols to try relating to what I've

learned over the

last couple of months while away from the group.

Ok, I'm off to Children's Corner. See you later.

I'm also really excited. I have a non-verbal child with CP and Chron's starting

on Monday

who responds to oxygen tape... he should be a huge responder.

- Stan

>

> Sure, Stan. What I really heard in the video sounded like some of the first

questions I

asked as a mold patient, and since then from dozens of others. I only meant to

say that I

think you're moving in the right direction, but on very limited info at this

point. I don't

believe the guy was " high " . Maybe giddy from a sudden outbreak of relative

wellness, but

not high, I don't think.

>

> We're talking about two different things here - or maybe three, if you

include allergy.

Candida, when it colonizes the body, creates a number of problems as it grows

there. It

can and does create its own toxins. In sufficient quantity or over along enough

period,

anyone would get sick. But when the candida is stopped, the illness would

resolve. Any

remaining toxins would be excreted through the gut.

>

> In those who have the genetic problem, the fungus may be gone, but the

toxins, which

are attracted to fat cells, stay on and circulate virtually forever. They are

small enough to

be constantly reabsorbed in the intestine. For those people, no colonization is

necessary at

all. It doesn't have to come from candida, either. Enough time in a damp

building can do

it. It only takes 48 hours for the spores naturally embedded in gypsum drywall

to start

colonizing successfully, and often this is going on inside walls or in crawl

spaces where

you don't see it. Other materials can be colonized, of course, but gypsum and

ventilation

systems are a fave. Those bad boys can be any of dozens of species, but

aspergillus,

fusarium, and penecillium species are very common, some worse than others, but

none of

them good for humans. Instead of ergot alkaloids, you'd want to be looking at

tricothcenes, satratoxins, ochratoxins, and the like. The mycotoxins themselves

are only

tiny chemical

> metabolites, so once they get airborn, they can stay suspended for a very

long time,

and you end up breathing or eating them. They can and do cross the blood/brain

barrier

easily, and they go right through HEPA filters. That's a big reason why mold

remediators

wear hazmat gear.

>

> Schools and environmentally controlled office buildings are also faves. The

schools

usually stay closed up over the summers and maintenance tends to be driven more

by

budget than by practical need. Office buildings don't even have windows that

open these

days, so they also make nice fungal habitats. Many of these are buildings are

of a type of

construction that was never used until the mid 1900's, and now they are aging.

Antibiotics

in the 40's, drywall in the 50's and 60's, more childhood vaccines in the 70's

and 80's, and

suddenly we've got MS, CFS, and a whole range of vastly increased chronic

illness in

adults, asthma in both kids and adults, all the other stuff with the kids. This

is just and

expanded view of the same picture you were already looking at.

>

> The end result can be that at some point, the toxic load you carry

(including other

toxins) reaches critical mass, and then you're stuck with neurological illness

that blows

through every body system, disrupting endocrine balance, disturbing

cardiopulmonary

function (to the point where you see all that hypoperfusion in the brain),

messing your

immune system, and disturbing methylation cycles. Virus, allergy, cognitive

disturbance,

and all kinds of other purgatory rains down on you, because nothing works right

any

more. People all around you can breeze right through the very same situation

while you're

falling apart. So little is understood about this right now, that of course you

can end up

questioning your own sanity right along with everyone else.

>

> So, I keep hearing tales of odd effects and behaviors in the kids that

appear to come

out of nowhere. It might not make any sense to anyone else, and I know it can

drive their

parents nuts, but I've done some pretty weird things myself in response to

unseen

chemicals no one else in room was feeling. Just about all of it is

comfort-seeking behavior

- instinctive reactions to pain or discomfort that don't make any sense to an

onlooker. The

closest comparison I can make is more like a really horrible hangover than like

being high

(don't ask me how I know : ). Which makes sense - a hangover is the very last

stage of

intoxication. Your softest clothing feels like razor blades, distant sounds no

one else even

notices are like sonic booms, what was tasty yesterday makes you want to toss

just

thinking about it, and it's a coin flip whether you sleep or drum or scream or

whatever

until it finally passes. You automaticlly do whichever seems to relive the

discomfort.

>

> What I don't know, as I said, is exactly how this operates in ASD kids.

There's

absolutely no way the mycotoxins problem and ASD are exclusive of each other -

that's

already been established. But I'm thinking that it's probably a combo of

whatever they

picked up in utero, plus the vaccines, plus evironmental exposures to mycotoxins

and

others. The kids simply hit the limit far, far earlier than someone like me.

And once you

hit it, the level of sensitivity to those particular toxins is no less than the

extremes the

parents here talk about. (In the end, I'm doing antivirals, antifungals, MB12,

detox, and

supps not unlike what many of the kids are doing. A neurotoxin by any other

name...)

>

> If what I propose is true, then it's possible that some percentage of these

kids need a

whole additional type of detox, such as cholestyramine - which binds to the

toxins as they

circulate through the gut so they cannot be reabsorbed. It's a totally different

process than

killing candida or chelating metals, and MB12 alone shouldn't be even remotely

capable of

doing that job. (I'd roll with the increased perfusion idea with the video

subject, but I'm

only guessing.) Just knowing what the mycotoxins alone can do has me wondering

if this

issue isn't holding some of the kids back from responding to these other

protocols.With

adults, the testing is done with a fast, inexpensive, and accurate vision test,

a history, and

the genetic testing if the first two look suspicious. I suppose that would all

have to be

adapted to suit the situation, but it _is_ possible to know objectively whether

it's an issue

or not. If it is, you end the exposure any way you have to do it, get the

> detox going, and avoid further exposures for the rest of your life. There is

no cure at

this time. Like diabetes, you learn to manage, and hopefully, you get to it

before the

damage becomes permanent.

>

> So - it's an option. You'll find that this biotoxin issue is no less well

financed and

politicized than the vaccine problem. These are both rapidly advancing areas of

illness and

research the government would prefer to ignore, so that part of the experience

is very,

very similar. There are a few doctors looking at both sides of it, but these are

life-

devastating events. We all tend to get caught up in our own issues full time,

and maybe

not talk as much as we ought to. I was completely surprised to find that various

practitioners I've been in touch with lately all said the same thing to me -

they were used

to dealing with patients who couldn't really tell them what it was like, and

they really

wanted to know. They knew about mold patients, but hadn't seen many of them yet

who

could talk about it. In return, I got treated for some problems no one on the

" moldy " side

of the house had been helping me with. So of course, I'm thinking the reverse

just might

also be true.

>

> I do know you can knock yourself out with these various other treatments,

but they can

only succeed just so far as long as the mycotoxins are still present and

disrupting your

efforts. As nearly as I can tell, at the very least 25% of the kids are

statistically bound to be

vulnerable, so it's not really a longshot. The genetic markers have been tested

against

several thousand patients now. Shoemaker went down to New Orleans last year and

tested

and treated a thousand or so first responders, and was able to reconfirm his

findings.

Even if the child hasn't got the actual exposure problem yet, you'd at least

know to protect

them from it. I'm reasoning that any child with a toxin load already so heavy as

to do all of

this to them is simply not going to fare well in an exposure. Would love to hear

your ideas

on this whenever you find time.

>

> [Just as an aside - a little over a year ago, it was found that the women

with the saline

breast implants who got so sick? Yep. Fungus. Aspergillus was found growing in

the

excised implants. The surgeon who figured it out knew about the fungus, but not

the

mycotoxins. These women were both colonized and poisoned. It's a little

different for

them - they tend to develop fibromyalgia, but they're getting treated now.]

>

> __________________________________________________

>

December 14, 2006

I thought there was a fairly recent study

saying that our kids already have extremely low cholesterol levels. Would

a cholesterol reducing agent bring it down even more? I haven’t

actually had my son tested. But if we are looking into cholesterol

lowering possibilities what about Red Yeast Rice?

Also, I was just googling supplements that

remove mycotoxins and something interesting popped up. NDF.

Tammy (bioray), do you know anything about

this??

-

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Stan Kurtz

Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006

11:31 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: SV: Are

our kids tripping?

Ok, cholestyramine.

I totally agree this could help... as could most cholesterol effecting

medications. Many

fungal toxins are oily in nature. If you look at dad's of ASD kids you'll often

see oily

scalps. I was like that as well. Not too far from an ASD child you'll find some

type of lipid

issue that is typically related more to fungus than fats in the diet.

This is all connected.

As far as I'm concerned, I would also consider cholestramine (or many of the

cholesterol

meds) based on my research in fungal toxins being oily in nature and effecting

lipid

motabolism, but I would try some naturals first and I mention them in the

video.

Niacin (tid)

L-Carnatine (tid)

and St. 's

Wart

(and OLE/Valtrex and Diflucan/Nizoral)

I accidently came across L-Carnatine because I was suggesting children who take

fatty

acids take L-Carnatine and a teenager involved at my school with a serious

colesterol

problem resolved in two weeks of using L-Carnatine.

If you look at Niacin treatment you'll find it causes rashes not too disimilar

to the rashes

we see with Valtrex and Diflucan/Nizoral.

Basically if you want to get rid of oily fungal toxins, focus on lipid

motabolism and

mitochondria activity when they are in the blood. For our kids, to get the

toxins from the

fat into the blood consider MB12, Valtrex or OLE with Diflucan or Nizoral.

Also, consider

HBOT to help push the toxins out of the cells by putting oxygen in there. I've

observed

this and will report on it later. I've been working on HBOT every day as well.

Maybe we should be supplementing with lipid therapy before HBOT....

This also probablly explains why we have seen some strange reports about

Valtrex and

HBOT. Valtrex and an antifungal might help mobilize the toxins into the blood

and then

HBOT pushes them into the cells and the kids react. I think we might want to

get the

toxins out of the fat, then out of the body (and some into the cells to burn it

off) then add

fatty acids, then HBOT them (repeat as necessary).

I'm going to put together some new protocols to try relating to what I've

learned over the

last couple of months while away from the group.

Ok, I'm off to Children's Corner. See you later.

I'm also really excited. I have a non-verbal child with CP and Chron's starting

on Monday

who responds to oxygen tape... he should be a huge responder.

- Stan

> __________________________________________________

>

December 14, 2006

Serena,Try here for spect scans.http://www.brainplace.com/NoraOn Dec 13, 2006, at 11:45 PM, SERENA EDWARDS wrote:Gee, Stan, you're starting to sound like you're looking for a fight, lol. I think we can safely leave the low road stuff to the defense firms and government types. Don't even get me started... I have seen your other vids. I was impressed. The main thing that got my attention was the eye contact improvement. I've caught myself at it many many times, and just couldn't fix it no matter how hard I tried. I interpret (and experienced) that behavior as another example of automatically shutting off overwhelming stimuli in order to maintain focus and orientation. Once I thought about it a bit more, I saw that really getting face to face with another human is a lot more than the simple act of looking at them. It's an active and complex task that requires absorbing millions of bits of information and motion and interpreting and responding to it all. Direct contact with another human just eats up loads of attention and energy. Unfortunately, other people may mistake it for shyness or dishonesty when an adult doesn't meet their eye. I thought looking for more eye contact was a really simple but fantastic measure of less effortful thought and focus, and that's what your subjects were reporting as well - another good lesson from autism. There are some existing theories about CFS and its ilk being, in part, a case of the body and brain shutting down all non-essential functions so you can survive the metabolic failures. I tend to think there's some truth in there, and this eye-contact phenom is just another part of it. Mold people don't really talk about it. MS people don't really talk about it. I had to observe some of them myself and ask around, but it's definitely there - just not as profound as the kids, because speech continues. Maybe that's because adults already have language skills when they get into trouble? On the other hand, the divorce rate amongst biotoxin patients rises to 70%. That visual interaction is really primal stuff. It's awfully hard for the undamaged loved ones to not take it personally. A parent usually perseveres, where a spouse usually won't. None of the doctors argued with me about MB12 - they all approved whole-heartedly and said go for it. There was a neurologist, a holist who treats toxic injuries, and a psychiatrist in the crowd, so it was a nice little cross-disciplinary poll. Not one seemed to think it was a panacea or a one-shot solution to any given problem, but all knew what it was and thought it was probably an excellent supportive therapy. They are equally enthused with EFA, and every one of them was quick to tell me they use it themselves. They all made EFA brand and type recommendations like regular connoisseurs...or die-hard sports fans. I still have a lot more to learn about how MB12 does its thing. Possibly, those really amazing effects don't happen until the total toxin load is low enough for the effects to show? The very sickest people would definitely not be finding their way to your office. They don't get out much. Other ideas - the deficiency simply isn't present in everyone; or perhaps it doesn't matter what the MB12 could do if the lack of perfusion keeps it from being delivered to the whole brain. You got the EEG's - it would be neat to see it done with SPECT. I supposed we'd have to scan for papers to see if anyone has tried that. I'm still looking for the autism scans. I didn't find them yet. I'll have to look around some more later. I do know that Hauser (on the front page of your link) treats mold patients and uses HBOT, from what I hear. Perhaps someone else could tell me - in mold patients, the hypoperfusion issue goes far beyond the brain. It's a whole-body problem, because the heart isn't cranking out enough liters per minute to perfuse a kitchen sponge efficiently. Is that also true with the kids? I'm off to look around for those scans again.__________________________________________________

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