Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 * Aubin Parrish (aubinparrish@...) [010731 10:35]: * Subject: protein and bone loss: > What do you folks make of reports like this? > > http://www.vegsource.com/articles/protein_calcium_study.htm > > I know it's hard to comment much, not knowing more > specifics of the study (such as the actual composition > and quality of the diets in question, not just whether > they were high or low in animal products, especially > since the quality of most of the animal products in > the average diet is dismal). I don't have much faith > in most of those clinical studies, because I know in > many cases the researchers have a preconceived idea of > what they want to find, which of course will have an > impact on who they choose as study participants, the > data they consider relevant, etc.. However, even > researchers I may agree with would be susceptible to > the same biases. > > I know other bone-loss studies used denatured protein > powders, and this report doesn't say anything about > what form the protein was in. I agree with your comments and point out that it is not unheard of to read a paper where, unbelievably, the abstract and conclusion say the exact opposite of the data and body text. Without seeing the whole paper and the data, I'm inclined to write this one off as a sad attempt to please research funders by providing politically correct answers. Besides, if this " research " is correct, how would they explain the super-human bone density of paleolithic man now are believed to have consumed huge amounts of animal protein? --alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 Hi folks, be sure to read the article on osteoporosis on the westonaprice.org website. It's under Myths and Truths. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 It appears as if most of their information was from a questionnaire given to these women asking what they had eaten over the past year. I can't remember what I had for dinner last week let alone over the past year. No specifics were given. More animal protein than vegetable protein can mean one ounce more. Before I would give this study much credibility I would have to know the answers to these questions: How much of each type of protein did each woman eat? How much more of one type than the other did each woman eat? How many women had bone loss, no matter which kind of protein they ate? Actual numbers as answers and no percentages. What else did the women eat? They need to look at the overall diet, not just protein, as, I am sure, there are foods other than protein that contribute to bone loss. I'm sure there are many more questions to be asked, but that's all I can think of now. Judith Alta Kidder -----Original Message----- From: Aubin Parrish [mailto:aubinparrish@...] What do you folks make of reports like this? http://www.vegsource.com/articles/protein_calcium_study.htm I know it's hard to comment much, not knowing more specifics of the study (such as the actual composition and quality of the diets in question, not just whether they were high or low in animal products, especially since the quality of most of the animal products in the average diet is dismal). I don't have much faith in most of those clinical studies, because I know in many cases the researchers have a preconceived idea of what they want to find, which of course will have an impact on who they choose as study participants, the data they consider relevant, etc.. However, even researchers I may agree with would be susceptible to the same biases. I know other bone-loss studies used denatured protein powders, and this report doesn't say anything about what form the protein was in. Aubin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 --- Judith Alta Kidder <jaltak@...> wrote: >They need to look at > the overall diet, not > just protein, as, I am sure, there are foods other > than protein that > contribute to bone loss. Right, like sugar. If the higher protein consumers were also eating more sugar than the other group, or drinking more alcohol, etc., then their conclusions are meaningless. Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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