Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 beckyjov wrote: I believe Gluten was a detractor here as well. > > I took vitamin D and gobs of others, but none of levels got better until > I got my iron levels up and stopped eating Gluten. > And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of years, but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts on this and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? -- Jamison Griebenow, skookie@... Blessed with husband Greg, Zachary c/s 8/95, Helena Joy HBAC 8/00, and Beren Gustav HB 4/04 ~~~~~~~ Learn more about recovery from a difficult birth here: http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/healing_trauma.asp ~~~~~~~ Help two adorable Kentucky kids! Fundraiser May 24th! See http://www.haileyandcartersdream.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 ~~~>> And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't > understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of years, > but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid > problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts on this > and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem?<<~~~ Hi , I think that a lot of people are just busy with their lives and such; they don't pay attention to anything that does not directly affect them. For instance, just in the last year parents are finally paying attention to the defective math called reform math that has been taught in schools across America for the pass decade or so. I've homeschooled my kids in math since it was introduced in our local district. I knew it was crap because I majored in math. Most parents didn't... Now parents are questioning math just like many thyroid patients are questioning mainstream medicine on thyroid treatment. Celiacs has been around a long time. I have read literature that suggested it existed in the Mesopotamian times, around 3000 BC if my history is correct. You can read a tid bit of brief history on Celiacs at: http://www.csaceliacs.org/CD.php Thyroid disease has been around a long time, too. To mention a couple, it was thought that Queen Cleopatra had a thyroid enlargement, she lived in the first century BC. In the Middle Ages, somewhere around 1000-1500 AD, people used special stones to heal or cure large throats, rapid heart rates, the shacks among other things. Ancient civilizations used the thyroid gland to diagnose pregnancy; they knew 1000 of years ago that in a normal pregnancy the thyroid gland increases in size during early pregnancy. I think that thyroid dysfunction has escalated for a number of reasons over the last half century. Food is manufactured with many additives and chemicals. In the 1970's or 60's iodine was replaced with a toxic halogen, bromide, in the bread making process. Nuclear weapons were introduced in the 20th century. Radioactive iodine (I131 developed in 1930's) is given out freely like it's as safe as candy and no one seems to think twice about it. I find it odd that in Europe and Asia people have to be quarantined for weeks, even months until their bodies no longer emit RAI before they can go home. Here in the good old USA, mothers are told to not hold their babies for a couple weeks and flush twice. Read about Handford in the 1940's to Chernobyl in 1986. I wonder how many of those innocent children got cancer or thyroid dysfunction, even years later? Studies show that children exposed to just a small amount of nuclear waste have a high risk of genital cancer among other cancers ten to forty years later. I think allergies are more prominent now because of all the unhealthy environmental problems. My youngest son can not play in the grass in parks or public places because of all the chemicals put on the lawns. He gets huge hives even through his jeans. We assume it is either a pesticide or an herbicide. The school has to notify us so he makes sure to not walk across the grass if it's sprayed or treated with toxic chemicals. HTH, Bj I believe Gluten was a detractor here as well. > > > > I took vitamin D and gobs of others, but none of levels got better until > > I got my iron levels up and stopped eating Gluten. > > > > > And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't > understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of years, > but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid > problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts on this > and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? > > > > -- > Jamison Griebenow, skookie@... > Blessed with husband Greg, Zachary c/s 8/95, > Helena Joy HBAC 8/00, and Beren Gustav HB 4/04 > ~~~~~~~ > Learn more about recovery from a difficult birth here: > http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/healing_trauma.asp > ~~~~~~~ > Help two adorable Kentucky kids! Fundraiser May 24th! > See http://www.haileyandcartersdream.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 , Actually there is archeological/anthropological evidence that they DID have those problems. The skeletons show smaller stature, weaker bones, arthritis, and so forth. Humans have been eating grains since cooking in pots and the dawn of agriculture. By all accounts between 10,000 and 15,000 years at the earliest. However, consider some 3 million years of human evolution prior to that, during which no grains could have been eaten, as humans cannot digest raw grains. In evolutionary terms, 10,000 years is the blink of an eye. The book " Proten Power Lifeplan " by the Drs. Eades, contains a very good synopsis section on the subject of what humans are evolved to eat, with the latest in research findings, now that DNA analysis can be done on ancient teeth, etc. sol Griebenow wrote: > And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't > understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of years, > but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid > problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts on this > and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Also, keep in mind that the grains of today bear little resemblance to ancient grains. They've been hybridized for higher gluten content, the corn has been hybridized to increase its sweetness. So basically they've all been altered by man, resulting in problems digesting, assimilating, and tolerating them. > > And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't > > understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of years, > > but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid > > problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts on this > > and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I read somewhere and dang I wish I'd bookmarked it, that during World War 2 wheat grain etc became very hard to obtain especially in German occupied countries. It was then that doctors noticed that certain ailments in people started healing ( I guess bowel problems DH etc) and they made the connection with the fact that gluten grains were not being consumed because they were so hard to get........Meleese x -- Original Message ----- > , > Actually there is archeological/anthropological evidence that they DID > have those problems. The skeletons show smaller stature, weaker bones, > arthritis, and so forth. > Humans have been eating grains since cooking in pots and the dawn of > agriculture. By all accounts between 10,000 and 15,000 years at the > earliest. However, consider some 3 million years of human evolution > prior to that, during which no grains could have been eaten, as humans > cannot digest raw grains. In evolutionary terms, 10,000 years is the > blink of an eye. > The book " Proten Power Lifeplan " by the Drs. Eades, contains a very > good synopsis section on the subject of what humans are evolved to eat, > with the latest in research findings, now that DNA analysis can be done > on ancient teeth, etc. > sol > > Griebenow wrote: >> And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't >> understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of years, >> but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid >> problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts on this >> and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Also keep in mind that humans (and our pets) are living in a cleaner society than our ancestors did. Due to antibiotics, we hardly have any of the parasites sharing a symbiotic relationship that humans used to live in harmony with. Same with viruses and bacteria: rather than allowing our immune system to fight them off, and allow it to strengthen and learn from the battle, we now use medicines instead. Just last month, at the Univ of Wisc, they began a phase II study using pin worms in people with Crohn's disease, and finding that They got the idea when they noticed a set of identical twins in Asia - one had autoimmune disease while the other never developed any, even with identical genes and living conditions. But one woman It's the same substance > > > And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I can't > > > understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands of > years, > > > but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and thyroid > > > problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts > on this > > > and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Sorry folks! that last message was sent before it was done. Here's the rest.. Also keep in mind that humans (and our pets) are living in a cleaner society than our ancestors did. Due to antibiotics, we hardly have any of the parasites sharing a symbiotic relationship that humans used to live in harmony with. Same with viruses and bacteria: rather than allowing our immune system to fight them off, and allow it to strengthen and learn from the battle, we now use medicines instead. Just last month, at the Univ of Wisc, they began a phase II study using pin worms in people with Crohn's disease, and finding that the introduction of the worms brings on relief from the disease. The results (Univ of Iowa was the first to conduct the study) were so significant that they asked the FDA to approve the treatment. They declined, so the company is now operating in Germany ( see www.ovamed.org ) They got the idea when they noticed a set of identical twins in Asia - one had autoimmune disease while the other never developed any, even with identical genes and living in the same conditions. But one woman had parasites and the other (the one with AI disease) did not. So they began looking into whether certain parasites can help prevent immune malfunctions and came across even more data to back up the theory. In South America, They found Type 1 diabetes among those who had been treated for parasites - but no diabetes in those that hadn't. In the medical world right now, the most exciting recent discovery is regarding enzymes called " HDAC Inhibitors " which can actually turn off bad genes, and reverse immune system problems. It's already being used in cancer treatments and has been shown to prompt our immune system to help destroy tumors. It's also been proven to shut down autoimmune attacks. Well guess what? There is an HDAC inhibitor that is made right in our body when we eat high fiber foods: but the catch is that we need microorganisms for this process! When these creatures digest and breakdown fibers in our gut, they produce an HDAC inhibitor called Butyrate. And just take a look at how many people developed autoimmune diases shortly after a serious viral or bacterial illness --- was it really the bacteria that did it? Or was it the high powered anti-bacterial medicines given to that person that caused the problem by killing off the balance? So when people tell you that you need to " clean your gut " , be careful! You may be wiping out the exact bugs you need to stay healthy. Also, when you have been placed on antibiotics, make sure you replenish those good bacteria so that those symbiotic relationships don't grind to a halt. Just something to ponder. Check out www.ovamed.org for more info. Drinking worm eggs is actually working for many folks with Celiacs and Crohn's, despite how disgusting it sounds! Val > > > > > And here's another general question about iron/gluten....what I > can't > > > > understand is how people have been eating grains for thousands > of > > years, > > > > but I don't think people have had allergies, celiac, and > thyroid > > > > problems for the same length of time. does anyone have thoughts > > on this > > > > and on why NOW gluten is such a big problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 b53cjf wrote: > Also, keep in mind that the grains of today bear little resemblance to > ancient grains. They've been hybridized for higher gluten content, > the corn has been hybridized to increase its sweetness. So basically > they've all been altered by man, resulting in problems digesting, > assimilating, and tolerating them. > ooooohhh, OK, hadn't even thought of that. -- Jamison Griebenow, skookie@... Blessed with husband Greg, Zachary c/s 8/95, Helena Joy HBAC 8/00, and Beren Gustav HB 4/04 ~~~~~~~ Learn more about recovery from a difficult birth here: http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/healing_trauma.asp ~~~~~~~ Help two adorable Kentucky kids! Fundraiser May 24th! See http://www.haileyandcartersdream.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Val, I had read a similar study a few years back, where they studied Jews living in New York city. They found that the ones who had no parasites had a higher incidence of Crohn's and other inflammatory bowel disease. The Jews who did have parasites (can't remember which type) did not have the bowel problems. So I'm not sure we always want to kill and eradicate every organism that is in our guts. It's gross to think those things could be living inside us, but if it prevents health problems, I'm all for it. Your message seems like part of it is missing. > > Also keep in mind that humans (and our pets) are living in a cleaner > society than our ancestors did. Due to antibiotics, we hardly have > any of the parasites sharing a symbiotic relationship that humans > used to live in harmony with. Same with viruses and bacteria: rather > than allowing our immune system to fight them off, and allow it to > strengthen and learn from the battle, we now use medicines instead. > > Just last month, at the Univ of Wisc, they began a phase II study > using pin worms in people with Crohn's disease, and finding that They > got the idea when they noticed a set of identical twins in Asia - one > had autoimmune disease while the other never developed any, even with > identical genes and living conditions. But one woman > > It's the same substance > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3287733.stm My son, who suffers from allergies is the one who told me about worm therapy. He is actually considering going to Mexico for the treatment, since he can't get it in the U.S. sol boatkitten wrote: > Just last month, at the Univ of Wisc, they began a phase II study > using pin worms in people with Crohn's disease, and finding that the > introduction of the worms brings on relief from the disease. > > The results (Univ of Iowa was the first to conduct the study) were so > significant that they asked the FDA to approve the treatment. They > declined, so the company is now operating in Germany ( see > www.ovamed.org ) > > They got the idea when they noticed a set of identical twins in Asia - > one had autoimmune disease while the other never developed any, even > with identical genes and living in the same conditions. But one woman > had parasites and the other (the one with AI disease) did not. > > So they began looking into whether certain parasites can help prevent > immune malfunctions and came across even more data to back up the > theory. In South America, They found Type 1 diabetes among those who > had been treated for parasites - but no diabetes in those that hadn't. > > In the medical world right now, the most exciting recent discovery is > regarding enzymes called " HDAC Inhibitors " which can actually turn > off bad genes, and reverse immune system problems. It's already being > used in cancer treatments and has been shown to prompt our immune > system to help destroy tumors. It's also been proven to shut down > autoimmune attacks. > > Well guess what? There is an HDAC inhibitor that is made right in > our body when we eat high fiber foods: but the catch is that we need > microorganisms for this process! When these creatures digest and > breakdown fibers in our gut, they produce an HDAC inhibitor called > Butyrate. > > And just take a look at how many people developed autoimmune diases > shortly after a serious viral or bacterial illness --- was it really > the bacteria that did it? Or was it the high powered anti-bacterial > medicines given to that person that caused the problem by killing off > the balance? > > So when people tell you that you need to " clean your gut " , be > careful! You may be wiping out the exact bugs you need to stay > healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I really don't think that is all that much of an issue since humans could not eat even wild grains before the invention of cooking in pots. Ancient grains and wild grains still do also contain the phytates and antinutrients that are the major problem with grains, besides the heavy carb load and the fact all grains, even whole grains are digested into sugar. sol Griebenow wrote: > b53cjf wrote: > >> Also, keep in mind that the grains of today bear little resemblance to >> ancient grains. They've been hybridized for higher gluten content, >> the corn has been hybridized to increase its sweetness. So basically >> they've all been altered by man, resulting in problems digesting, >> assimilating, and tolerating them. >> >> > > ooooohhh, OK, hadn't even thought of that. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1464 - Release Date: 5/24/2008 8:56 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Re: Crohn’s and reworming—50-75% cure rate—yes cure rate—I listen to channel 157 on XM radio—it is for physicians. This dr. was presenting this study of reworming people w/ crohn’s. Apparently worms were a huge problem in the US up to the 1930’s when a huge deworming era came about. Previously the body’s immune system would attack the worms—with nothing to attack it began attacking the lining of the stomach—explaining ulcerative colitis (sp?) and Crohn’s. They gave the people in the study Gatorade and pinworms from pigs—they don’t replicate in the human body—and saw huge cure rates-- From: Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf Of b53cjf Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:15 PM To: Thyroiditis Subject: Re: gluten WAS Test results Val, I had read a similar study a few years back, where they studied Jews living in New York city. They found that the ones who had no parasites had a higher incidence of Crohn's and other inflammatory bowel disease. The Jews who did have parasites (can't remember which type) did not have the bowel problems. So I'm not sure we always want to kill and eradicate every organism that is in our guts. It's gross to think those things could be living inside us, but if it prevents health problems, I'm all for it. Your message seems like part of it is missing. > > Also keep in mind that humans (and our pets) are living in a cleaner > society than our ancestors did. Due to antibiotics, we hardly have > any of the parasites sharing a symbiotic relationship that humans > used to live in harmony with. Same with viruses and bacteria: rather > than allowing our immune system to fight them off, and allow it to > strengthen and learn from the battle, we now use medicines instead. > > Just last month, at the Univ of Wisc, they began a phase II study > using pin worms in people with Crohn's disease, and finding that They > got the idea when they noticed a set of identical twins in Asia - one > had autoimmune disease while the other never developed any, even with > identical genes and living conditions. But one woman > > It's the same substance > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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