Re: Digest Number 17

[Guest guest]

Glad to hear you're doing better, --hang in there!

We're thinking about you.

BTW--saw an article in the NYTimes about the re-debut of concert pianist Byron

Janis. He's 70 now--but about 30 years ago he gave up his brilliant career

due to PA--he was scheduled to play in NYC a few days ago.

Dobrick

[Guest guest]

An Intro from CTNATIVE@...

>

>Hello fellow PA 'ers,

>

>My name is , I live in the greater NYC metro area,

>and I came up with the idea to have a mailing list just for

>Psoriatic Arthritis over the past few months. In my entire

>life, I still have not met in person, another person with severe

>Psoriatic Arthritis, so I knew it would be so helpful to me to

>share info, support, and commonalities with other PA'ers.

>It is so wonderful that there are about 40 of us so far who

>signed up to the group. I have also a Physician who gets

>the digest form each night who will try her best to answer

>any medical questions we may have! (Thanks to Dr. )

>

>I am in my late thirties,married, a mother of three, and currently am

on

>Social Security Disability (since 1990) due to

>the severe PA, Psoriasis (mostly palms) and Sjogrens Syndrome I have.

The

>psoriasis started when I was only ten.

>I used to go to bed fitted out like an astronaut - large gallon

>size baggies on hands and feet, saran wrap around my elbows and knees,

I am

>sure many of you can relate. Of course the wrap up occurred only

after a

>long soak in horrible blaCK tar in the tub and a few hairwashes with

the

>mostly ineffective Sebulex green shampoo we had available in the early

70's.

>

>I'll leave the rest of my story for another day,

>

>I hope this gets the group going to share our common experiences.

>

>An update : My surgery went well. I am still in a bad flare

>(sed rate 75 - CR Protein off the chart). I went to the derm

>on Monday and was prescribed an antibiotic and given

>several injections into the finger and palm plaques - the coolest thing

(pun

>intended) is that when I jokingly asked them to give me a block at the

wrist

>for the pain - they came up with a freezing spray to use - which they

did

>liberally-

>the doc got frosty hands- and it took away 80% of the pain-

>

>I guess it never hurts to ask.- they were pleasantly surprised

>that it worked and are going to try it on their other patients

>only one-

>

>Have a good day,

>

>

>

>

>_______________________________________________________________________

________

>_______________________________________________________________________

________

>After reading 's note today, I'm going to try to stop whinning

about my measly

>symptoms....

Dennis Newman

newman@...

[Guest guest]

glad to hear your surgery went well for you. sorry to hear about the flare. I

ran into someone else with the same condition and now I have to remember from

where. I will forward your address to her when I remember. take care, hope to

hear from you soon

Angie

[Guest guest]

Byron Janus story was on Dateline a while ago, and his story was most

fascinating. He had to give up his piano playing for 7 yrs. due to PA RA

(both?). Please correct me if I'm wrong. He wrote music during that period.

Then he was started on methotrexate and was able to go back to being a concert

pianist. Yews, he did play in NYC. There is always some kind of hope. Betty

[Guest guest]

Snooks wrote:

> The herbs are -

> burdock root

> sheep sorrel

> slippery elm

> turkey root

>

Ethel,

How are they taken? Can you give us details on the procedure, amounts,

etc.?

--

Regards,

Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------

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Captain Cook's Cruise Center ----------------------

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geoff@...

" Faith is not believing in spite of the evidence;

it is obeying in spite of the consequence. "

[Guest guest]

The herbs are said to enhance the immune system, are anti-microbial,

purify the blood, and cleanse the colon. Here is the formula. For

serious disease take 2 oz. in 2 oz. of pure boiled water three times a

day. We take it once a day as a preventative measure.

Diet and supplements are important to its success.

It is extremely important you buy the herbs from someone you can trust.

You want to be sure your supplier can document success with the herbs he

sells. Some dealers are substituting yellow dock for the sheep sorrel.

The sheep sorrel is a vitally important ingredient. You want to be sure

no insecticide or fungicide has been used on the dried herbs.

Here is the formula: (Dry herbs)

6-1/4 cups Burdock root - cut

16 oz. Sheep Sorrel - powdered

1 oz. Turkey Rhubarb Root - powdered

4 oz. Slippery Elm Bark - powdered

Supplies needed: 4 gallon stainless steel pot

3 gallon stainless steel pot

Stainless steel fine mesh double strainer

Stainless steel spoon

Glass measuring cup and stainless steel

funnel

12 or more 16 oz. sterilized amber glass

bottles with airtight caps.

Mix dry ingredients thoroughly. (I put in plastic bag and shake, then

return what's left to paper bag. Store herbs in paper bag in cool dark

place.)

Bring 2 gallon sodium free distilled or purified water to a rolling boil

in 4 gallon pot with lid on. Stir in 1 cup of the herbs. Replace lid

and continue to boil slowly for 10 minutes.

You may make just half of this recipe at a time if you wish - one gallon

of distilled water and 1/2 cup of herbs.

Turn off stove. Scrape down sides of pot with stainless steel spoon or

spatula and stir mixture thoroughly. Replace lid.

Allow pot to remain closed 12 hours, then turn stove to highest setting

and heat to almost boil Do not let mixture boil. (I start this at 9 PM

and bottle the next morning at 9 AM.)

Turn off stove. Strain liquid into 3 gallon pot. Clean 4 gallon pot

and strainer. Then strain filtered liquid back into 4 gallon pot.

Use funnel or glass measurer to pour hot liquid into sterilized bottles

immediately, taking care to tighten the caps. Allow bottles to cool;

and tighten caps again.

Refrigerate when cool. The herbal formula contains no preservative

agents. IF mold should develop in bottle, discard immediately.

CAUTION: All bottles and caps must be sterilized before filing with the

herbal formula. Plastic caps must be washed and rinsed thoroughly and

may be cleaned with a 3% solution of food grade hydrogen peroxide in

water. (I let caps soak in 1/4 teas. Clorox in about 8 oz. of boiled

water which has cooled. Then after five minutes I rinse in clear

boiled, cooled water.

These herbs are often referred to as the Essiac formula. The book, The

Essiac Report, markets the herbs as Flor-Essence and lists where you

can purchase it. Most good health stores carry it in liquid and dry

form. (Flor-Essence has three additional herbs which they say make the

formula more effective.)

Many health food stores sell the herbs individually or already

formulated and in small packets. Be sure they can give you names and

phone numbers of people who have had success using those herbs before

you buy them. It is your life at stake.

The herbs are available in dry and liquid form under a variety of names

in health food stores around the world - Flor-Essence and Essiac being

the most well known and trusted. It is critical you know what you are

purchasing.

The expert on Essiac herbs is Elaine , 6690 Oak Street,

Vancouver, British Columbia, V6P 3Z2 - CANADA. Her phone number is

604-261-1270. She will talk with you.

Another book on the Essiac story is Calling of an Angel by L.Glum.

This is in many libraries. It can be ordered from Silent

Publishing or the author at P. O. Box 80098, Los Angeles, CA 90080 -

phone 213-271-9931. Glum also sells the herbs.

Lorraine Day, M.D., an internationally acclaimed orthopedic trauma

surgeon, was diagnosed with breast cancer. She has two videos in which

she tells her story. To order - 1-800-574-2437. She also has a

website. A picture of her tumor is on that site. http://www.drday/com

Geoff Crenshaw wrote:

>

> From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...>

>

> Snooks wrote:

>

> > The herbs are -

> > burdock root

> > sheep sorrel

> > slippery elm

> > turkey root

> >

>

> Ethel,

>

> How are they taken? Can you give us details on the procedure, amounts,

> etc.?

> --

> Regards,

>

> Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------

> Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers **

> Captain Cook's Cruise Center ----------------------

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites

> http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites

> . > Top Web Sites for

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>

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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> geoff@...

>

> " Faith is not believing in spite of the evidence;

> it is obeying in spite of the consequence. "

>

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[Guest guest]

There is a parmacy in Toronto that sells Essiac tea already prepared. It

costs about $40.00 per box, but it seems well worth the price.

rheumatic Re: Digest Number 17

>From: Snooks <snooks@...>

>

>The herbs are said to enhance the immune system, are anti-microbial,

>purify the blood, and cleanse the colon. Here is the formula. For

>serious disease take 2 oz. in 2 oz. of pure boiled water three times a

>day. We take it once a day as a preventative measure.

>

>Diet and supplements are important to its success.

>

>It is extremely important you buy the herbs from someone you can trust.

>You want to be sure your supplier can document success with the herbs he

>sells. Some dealers are substituting yellow dock for the sheep sorrel.

>The sheep sorrel is a vitally important ingredient. You want to be sure

>no insecticide or fungicide has been used on the dried herbs.

>

>Here is the formula: (Dry herbs)

> 6-1/4 cups Burdock root - cut

> 16 oz. Sheep Sorrel - powdered

> 1 oz. Turkey Rhubarb Root - powdered

> 4 oz. Slippery Elm Bark - powdered

>

>Supplies needed: 4 gallon stainless steel pot

> 3 gallon stainless steel pot

> Stainless steel fine mesh double strainer

> Stainless steel spoon

> Glass measuring cup and stainless steel

>funnel

> 12 or more 16 oz. sterilized amber glass

>bottles with airtight caps.

>

>Mix dry ingredients thoroughly. (I put in plastic bag and shake, then

>return what's left to paper bag. Store herbs in paper bag in cool dark

>place.)

>

>Bring 2 gallon sodium free distilled or purified water to a rolling boil

>in 4 gallon pot with lid on. Stir in 1 cup of the herbs. Replace lid

>and continue to boil slowly for 10 minutes.

>You may make just half of this recipe at a time if you wish - one gallon

>of distilled water and 1/2 cup of herbs.

>

>Turn off stove. Scrape down sides of pot with stainless steel spoon or

>spatula and stir mixture thoroughly. Replace lid.

>

>Allow pot to remain closed 12 hours, then turn stove to highest setting

>and heat to almost boil Do not let mixture boil. (I start this at 9 PM

>and bottle the next morning at 9 AM.)

>

>Turn off stove. Strain liquid into 3 gallon pot. Clean 4 gallon pot

>and strainer. Then strain filtered liquid back into 4 gallon pot.

>

>Use funnel or glass measurer to pour hot liquid into sterilized bottles

>immediately, taking care to tighten the caps. Allow bottles to cool;

>and tighten caps again.

>

>Refrigerate when cool. The herbal formula contains no preservative

>agents. IF mold should develop in bottle, discard immediately.

>

>CAUTION: All bottles and caps must be sterilized before filing with the

>herbal formula. Plastic caps must be washed and rinsed thoroughly and

>may be cleaned with a 3% solution of food grade hydrogen peroxide in

>water. (I let caps soak in 1/4 teas. Clorox in about 8 oz. of boiled

>water which has cooled. Then after five minutes I rinse in clear

>boiled, cooled water.

>

>These herbs are often referred to as the Essiac formula. The book, The

>Essiac Report, markets the herbs as Flor-Essence and lists where you

>can purchase it. Most good health stores carry it in liquid and dry

>form. (Flor-Essence has three additional herbs which they say make the

>formula more effective.)

>

>Many health food stores sell the herbs individually or already

>formulated and in small packets. Be sure they can give you names and

>phone numbers of people who have had success using those herbs before

>you buy them. It is your life at stake.

>

>The herbs are available in dry and liquid form under a variety of names

>in health food stores around the world - Flor-Essence and Essiac being

>the most well known and trusted. It is critical you know what you are

>purchasing.

>

>The expert on Essiac herbs is Elaine , 6690 Oak Street,

>Vancouver, British Columbia, V6P 3Z2 - CANADA. Her phone number is

>604-261-1270. She will talk with you.

>

>Another book on the Essiac story is Calling of an Angel by L.Glum.

>This is in many libraries. It can be ordered from Silent

>Publishing or the author at P. O. Box 80098, Los Angeles, CA 90080 -

>phone 213-271-9931. Glum also sells the herbs.

>

>Lorraine Day, M.D., an internationally acclaimed orthopedic trauma

>surgeon, was diagnosed with breast cancer. She has two videos in which

>she tells her story. To order - 1-800-574-2437. She also has a

>website. A picture of her tumor is on that site. http://www.drday/com

>

>

>Geoff Crenshaw wrote:

>>

>> From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...>

>>

>> Snooks wrote:

>>

>> > The herbs are -

>> > burdock root

>> > sheep sorrel

>> > slippery elm

>> > turkey root

>> >

>>

>> Ethel,

>>

>> How are they taken? Can you give us details on the procedure, amounts,

>> etc.?

>> --

>> Regards,

>>

>> Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------

>> Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers **

>> Captain Cook's Cruise Center ----------------------

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites

>> http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites

>> . > Top Web Sites for

>> Cruise tips New Zealanders

>> http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips]

>>

>> USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX:559-734-1420

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>> geoff@...

>>

>> " Faith is not believing in spite of the evidence;

>> it is obeying in spite of the consequence. "

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

first in reply to somebody's question, i think it is a good idea to make a

big batch of plain glycerin soap adn then reheat it in batches adding

different fragrences. that is what i do. okay, so i haven't made my own

soap yet, just bought some to rebatch. does anybody have a plain soap recipe

i could use? i tried to make some this morning and it never got the

honey-loike consistancy. any suggestions i would apreciate.

okay for a recipe, let's see...

Vanilla Rose Bubble Bath Gel:

1/4 cup distilled water

2 tablespoons shampoo concentrate { or substitute 1/4 cup unscented shampoo

and increase the salt to 1/2 teaspoon}

2 tablespoons rose water

1 tablespoon liquid glycerin

1/4 teaspoon table salt

10 drops vanilla fragrance oil

4 drops rose fragrance oil

Warm the water and pour into a ceramic bowl. Add the shampoo concentrate and

stir with a wire whisk until well blended. Add the rose water, liquid

glycerin, salt, and fragrance oils and stir until well mixed. Bottle.

Liquid glycerin can be purchased at a drugstore in the first-aid section....

Most of the ingredients in the above recipes can be purchased in either

health food stores or major craft stores or herbal shops....... I

[Guest guest]

Hi and everyone ) I'm new on this list and just wanted to introduce

myself..My name is Miyu, I'm a 20 year old college junior double majoring in

English and Psychology, and I LOVE anything that has to do with the bath and

body ) My fiancé calls it " miyu and her smelly stufffff " ..heheh..at any rate,

I'm looking forward to meeting you all...

wrote:

> does anybody have a plain soap recipe

> i could use? i tried to make some this morning and it never got the

> honey-loike consistancy. any suggestions i would apreciate.

firstly, I would go to www.miningco.com and search for 'soap recipes' . .I've

looked it up myself and they have some really nice links you could use. Also, it

depends on what kind of soap you were trying to make? Was it vegetable based?

Sometimes, certain types of soap will take as many as two days to get the

" trace " consistency!! hope this helps!

--

Sat Nam,

Miyu

Espiritu - http://www.wsu.edu/~miyu

Coven of Avalon - http://home.earthlink.net/~miyu79

[Guest guest]

Re:enlarged spleen

Sue- I too ave an enlarged spleen. I believe it is due to my cirrhosis

and portal vein hypertension.

Do you have cirrhosis?

Cirrhosis can cause the blood not to flow properly thru the liver

causing it to like back up into the spleen, thus enlarging. This causes

problems like low platlet counts and slow clotting.

I have excellent GI doctors with excellent bedside manners. Plus they

are very competant.

I live in Michigan- do u live near here? Or near Chicago or the Mayo

clinic? Hows about North Carolina?

I have met some really lousy GI docs-but a host of really good ones.

Any questions- I can talk about liver dis-ease all day long as a

layman.

I do know a Jehovah Witness that had a lung transplant.

-

" ...I dream then ask why not "

[Guest guest]

Re:enlarged spleen

Sue- I too ave an enlarged spleen. I believe it is due to my cirrhosis

and portal vein hypertension.

Do you have cirrhosis?

Cirrhosis can cause the blood not to flow properly thru the liver

causing it to like back up into the spleen, thus enlarging. This causes

problems like low platlet counts and slow clotting.

I have excellent GI doctors with excellent bedside manners. Plus they

are very competant.

I live in Michigan- do u live near here? Or near Chicago or the Mayo

clinic? Hows about North Carolina?

I have met some really lousy GI docs-but a host of really good ones.

Any questions- I can talk about liver dis-ease all day long as a

layman.

I do know a Jehovah Witness that had a lung transplant.

-

" ...I dream then ask why not "

[Guest guest]

Margaret:

No, we're giving Adderral just in am for school time....lasts all day (well

all school day)......haven't started on Risperdal yet.....hubby is too

uncertain so we're holding off till we can have a conference with the

doctor.....thanks for asking though!

[Guest guest]

Leah:

Sorry you're not being informed! I'm sure Joan will fix you up!

[Guest guest]

:

Hehehehehehehe

[Guest guest]

Donna:

I'm glad you saw the humor in that incident! I would've too......about two

weeks later! I admire your stamina.........

[Guest guest]

:

It was probably my being " Scared S@@@less in Texas " post that did you in!!!!!

ROFLMAO........

[Guest guest]

Speaking of Mel Gibson, does anyone know that he is producing a made for tv

film about the Three Stooges scheduled to air this month??? As if anyone on

this list doesn't already know, they happened to be 's

favorites........and mine, hehe.

Sherry, are you reading this? Where are you lately???

Why I oughta......

[Guest guest]

Leah:

You always seem to see the good side, no matter what happens! Good

point....at least the kid has arms to throw.........now if only she could

throw a few pies at Moe.........hehehehe

[Guest guest]

Re: Maddie

HAHAHA! Way to go, maddie! I am sitting here laughing- this is the

archetypal (sp?) good news bad news story. Usually, in my mind, the scale

always tips in favor of it being good news. Goes like this: Well, the

good news is, Maddie had major social interaction today! The bad news is,

Maddie had a major social interaction today! HAHAHAHAHA! Most of the

time, when PB gets into some kinda " trouble " out in public, I try very hard

to view it as what new developmental thing did he accomplish by this

behavior. Usually there is something there. (Sometimes i have to dig

really hard.) but helps take the sting out of things if there is an

embarrassing moment about the behavior as well.

Now, mind you, I am NOT young and physically fit (God only knows why not,

the wayI have to race to beat PB to something) so you should see my mad

dash at the grocery stores when PB has decided he is going to make a run

for the restrooms. OK if he hits the ladies' room- but NOT if he runs into

the men's room before I grab him. I have left my open wallet at the

checkout line to grab him; I have collared him by his coat to have him

almost wiggle out of the coat. Thankfully we go to the same stores in our

neighborhood, and people really know us by now.

Also, since he has strted to really enjoy helping me shop, he sometimes

just starts throwing things in the cart, willy-nilly. One day I was trying

to find a bottle of red wine and he THREW a bottle of wine into the cart.

Luckily it did not break. As I carefully put the wine back in it's place,

I realized the kid has good taste. It's a $119 bottle of port.

EEEEEKKK!!!

Last week his sitter took him to Kohl's dept. store. She knew exactly what

she had to buy, and I figured PB would be okay with her. She told me he

sat by a female mannekin who had a short skirt and stockings on and he sat

there rubbing the legs up and down. She said she worked very fast to get

them out of there! LOL!!

Also, I have some good news. Ben decided to start choosing his

clothes and dressing himself this morning. (Risperdol? Who knows?) He

had apparently gone to the toilet on his own (which he never does- he's

time trained- except for out in public, when he has to see if there are

electric hand dryers in the restrooms) because the toilet was still filling

up with water after the flush. He had taken off his sweat pants (dry) and

underwear (dry). He was busy putting on his swim trunks. Then he

carefully co-ordinated this choice with a second pair of swim trunks over

the first. I made a big deal about it, and he was pleased with himself.

He played for a while and then came downstairs- beautifully attired in a

pair of short PJ bottoms and nothing else. I sent him back up to get a

shirt, which he did, and put it on all by himself. (He has been able to do

this about 1/2 the time). Then I peeked in the back of the shorts and

realized he HAD put underpants on (inside out). But I am so pleased,

because he has been completely passive about what he wants to wear up until

recently. Some sweatshirts make him too hot, and he can take them off

easily. But up until now, he always waits for me to place his clothing out

on the floor for him to put on. Guess being home for a while has had it's

upside!!

bet, Mum to Ben, 9

[Guest guest]

ms. laura,

in the future please refrain from saying the poopie dook word that starts

with s and ends in s......... sh-----s......... i shall have to make you eat

palmolive dish soap like my mom made me when i was 4 and said " dam " in

church, and not the one that holds water..........heheh leah

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/4/2000 4:02:31 PM !!!First Boot!!!, paul.3@...

writes:

<< As I carefully put the wine back in it's place,

I realized the kid has good taste. It's a $119 bottle of port.

EEEEEKKK!!!

Last week his sitter took him to Kohl's dept. store. She knew exactly what

she had to buy, and I figured PB would be okay with her. She told me he

sat by a female mannekin who had a short skirt and stockings on and he sat

there rubbing the legs up and down. She said she worked very fast to get

them out of there! LOL!! >>

ROTFLOL Beth!!!! Kid's got good taste in more than one area,

obviously!!!!

<<so you should see my mad

dash at the grocery stores when PB has decided he is going to make a run

for the restrooms. OK if he hits the ladies' room- but NOT if he runs into

the men's room before I grab him. I have left my open wallet at the

checkout line to grab him; I have collared him by his coat to have him

almost wiggle out of the coat.>>

Oh, I am SO glad to hear others on this list lead my life. You should have

seen me an hour ago, dropping Maddie off at school. I parked but it took me

TEN minutes to get her out of the car and into the building. I unhooked her

car seat and she latched on and wouldn't let go of it. Giggling hysterical

since she loves resistance. Finally get her out of the car and she hurls

her shoe off, lands UNDER my car. Mind you, we are parked on a mound of

disgusting oil and dirt filled snow. She puts her stocking foot in the

filthy snow and is trying desperately to plop her body in it. I am

wrestling her in the middle of the street, cars having to go around us.

She's still in hysterics,,,,,,I'm not laughing. Had to throw her back in the

car, close the door, use an old umbrella to get the shoe underneath. Then

she went to the back of the car (we have a suburban, so she's got lots of

room to run from me), I go to the back, she goes to the front. Back and

forth and back and forth. FINALLY I grab her. Once I get her to the curb,

she stands up straight, like the perfect little angel, takes my hand and

walks in ready for her afternoon at school. My hair clip is out, my hair

is hanging, my shirt is untucked, I'm completely flushed and dirty and she's

got a BIG smile on her face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and Guys????????? I'm

mortified to tell you this, but Maddie weighs 36 pounds!!!!!!!!!!

Donna (who's one step closer to doing the drug thing)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2000 12:13:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

Duffey48@... writes:

<< Donna (who's one step closer to doing the drug thing) >>

for her or YOU (legal or illegel?)?

Pam

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/7/2000 7:27:53 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Digitalwrk@...

writes:

<< for her or YOU (legal or illegel?)?

Pam

>>

Good point Pam...........LOLOLOL

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

The Schwartzbien Principle sounds like a lot of diets out there that avoid

carbs, including starches, grains, fruit, and even more. My daughter is on

something called the Specific Carbohydrate Diet that avoids starches and

grains but allows monosaccharide carbs such as fruits, vegetables, nuts, and

honey. (She's on it for her Crohn's disease and it seems to be helping a

lot.) And I have tried the no carb diet myself.

In my opinion, Sally Fallon has them all beat! In spite of all the hype, I

don't think unprocessed grains and starches are bad for you, unless you have

inflammatory bowel disease such as Crohn's. I do think meat and fruit and

vegetables and all other real foods are good for you. Naturally, this is

only my opinion, but I think you will feel good following the principles in

" Nourishing Traditions. " And I didn't feel so great when I was following

the no-carb diet! I believe that real food of any sort will not hurt you as

long as you don't just eat one kind of food all the time. So don't be

afraid, it won't hurt you to try.

Best wishes,

> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:22:40 -0000

> From: " West " <cwest@...>

> Subject: Carbohydrates and the Schwartzbien Principle?

>

> I am just getting started with Nourishing Traditions. I have listened

> to the Sally Fallon tapes available through Radiant Life and found

> them facinating. We are making the switch from a mostly raw,vegan

> diet. I am currently reading " Nutriton and Physical Degeneration " .

> Also, very interesting. This feels like truth!

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> Although I intend to do so, I have not yet read the " Schwartzbien

> (spelling??) Principle, but a friend has been telling me about it and

> how much the author discourages consuming carbohydrates, including

> whole grains and fruit. This seems to be in contradiction with what

> Sally Fallon has to say and even writes about in Nourishing

> Traditions. I was really looking forward to some soaked, cooked

> oatmeal for breakfast, making my own sour dough bread, and beginning

> to consume some whole grains again. Granted, I wouldn't plan to do so

> in great quantity, but maybe 3-4 times per week.

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> What have your experiences been with eating whole grains prepared as

> Sally recommends?

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> Is this book supporting Paleodiets? Does it fit in with Weston

> Price's

> work?

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> Thanks for your input and responses in advance.

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[Guest guest]

Re: Daughter seeking help for Dad:

I've had my Medtronic for almost a year, and the atrial fibs started again,

with several subsequent

Zaps. My Cardiologist understands that our E.P. Doctors are top-notch, and

we put our faith into

their hands, to let them do their analysis.(In reality, a second opinion).

I/we knew that drugs were

a last resort. The E.P.'s did a mapping of the heart, and DID find what was

causing the Atrial Fibs!

ABLATION was the correct procedure, and 6 months later, which brings me to

the present, the only drugs I use are Tenormin 50 mgms, Imdur, and Coumadin.

This is in line with one of my suspicions

that anxiety was one of the pre-cursors of the Atrial Fibs, and if any of my

family were to go thru

what I did, my first thought would be to make ABSOLUTELY certain that the

Cardiologist would

be honest with us and would admit openly that many of the drugs are at best

a " Grand Experiment " .

In addition, the E.P. team, in my estimation, are suspect as to quality.

DRUGS are the easy way out

and a method of putting off the inevitable " Mapping " , which requires the

utmost of skills. Not every

E.P. is a magician, as Ablation is an art of the highest degree. Instead of

playing games with drugs,

play the " New Doctor " game. You name the drug, almost any usual heart drug,

I've been there done that, and in 20 years since my BIG heart attack, 2

By-Pass surgeries, Balloon jobs, mini-heart attacks

and about 20 episodes of Atrial Fibs, gives me a right to express my

observations. IF drugs do the job,

good. But to expect them to hide any hidden basic cause for problems forever

is the Land of OZ.

Useful drugs have turned into antagonistic drugs insidiously, and hard to

notice quickly-I found that

to happen to me with Quinidine! Finally, use common sense, and if 2+2 no

longer =4, stand your

ground and bring things out in the open and hope the Cardiologist doesn't

say " Well, if you're

gonna prescribe for yourself, I won't help you " Been there.

Regards,

Al Lidert........

doeboy@...

What kind of people are these that would

name a child " HUMPTY_DUMPTY " ?

Re: Daughter seeking help for dad

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> Jerry wrote:

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> >>> what is apls????

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> Jerry:

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> Apples. One a day keeps the doctor away.

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> >From California where my jokes are rotten to the core-anary.

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> Bill

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