Re: Book - hospital-/Madeline

[Guest guest]

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Does your hospital have community assistance? It is something you can try to fill out and if accepted, the hospital will pay for part of the bill.

Madeline~

Sorry you had such a bad time.

I used to work at our hospital, and we are always told to watch perfumes or anything that has a strong odor or scent, or anything that could make someone not feel good. I might be wrong, but I think that was part of our orientation, and people at the hospital still remind others to keep the smells down. They do need to look at changing some procedures. I know our cleaning staff is really amazing, if someone asked them to stop, they would definetely stop. I can't believe that she kept cleaning after nurses told her to stop. Feel better.

Rhonda W.

"Behold , I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19)

To: asthma Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:57:12 AMSubject: Re: Book - hospital

Hi Madeline,

Girl you have been going through and lot as of

lately. The machine you were on I think is called a vent-

alater, it help people like you and me breathe to take some

of the stress of of you lungs. You never gues what I got

from the hospital. It was a bill and it said thanks for the your

parshal payment, but now we need the whole amount. I

told them over and over I don't have the money to pay

the whole bill, but Iguess they can't get it. Let me know how the

law suit goes I am curious about it.

From: Madeline Ingram <slim8972yahoo (DOT) com>To: Asthmayahoogroups (DOT) com; LovingAsthmaSupport @yahoogroups. comCc: Margaret <fromtheheart_ byrgmyahoo (DOT) com>; Terry <soccer.momverizon (DOT) net>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:09:24 AMSubject: Book - hospital

Hi all. I am in a bit of indecision about what to do with this hospital visit. I have to admit that I had read about nightmare hospital visits and ER visits in the past and (smugly) thought I haven't ever had a problem. Guess my turn came around. ROFL! I am working with a patient representative, but I am definitely getting the feeling that my concerns are not going to be addressed in the manner that I feel they should. I have a good family friend who is an attorney. I am going to call him on Monday and let him know what went on and let him advise me about it. I really don't want to file a lawsuit, but if that is what it takes to make some changes I will. In general the hospital system I use is terrific. The nursing staff, respiratory, and dietary just can't be beat. Part of that may be that I have spent so much time there I know most of them by first name.

LOL. So, they are very friendly and tend to tell me things and get me little treats that I know other patients don't get. The problem is the way the system is set up with these hospitalists. I have always been afraid of the situation that happened this time. Getting some doc who I have never seen before with a chip the size of Texas on his shoulder. In his defense, how is he supposed to know that I know what I am talking about. Especially when it comes to my lungs. Even my pulmonologist will tell you I am probably more informed than he is in some aspects of lung disease especially as it relates to me. So, it is all the more frustrating when I can't get a doc to listen. In all honesty (and don't worry - I am getting better and was stable when I was discharged), I should probably have stayed at least one more day. Maybe two, but I think I would have checked out AMA rather than do that. The

frustration level was just making things worse. I am not bouncing back quite as fast as I normally do, but I have found that with every severe episode it takes a little longer each time.This issue with the ER is my really major deal right now. They literally almost killed me. My husband has been out of his mind the last few days after witnessing that attack. I will be getting a complete copy of the records on Monday or Tuesday so I can read exactly what happened (and hopefully the records are accurate) because for about 4 or 5 hours I really have no idea. I do know that I went to the ER having a reaction to the Imuran (which I am off of now for good - I don't know yet what they will try to replace it with). My peak flows had dropped over 100 points in 20 minutes, and I immediately called 911. The paramedic who came through the door was an asthmatic himself and very informed. He didn't even bother

with the whole Q & A session and getting all the normal sats routine. He saw that I was in real trouble & told the guys that were with him to load me up and hit the lights. We made a 25 minute drive to the hospital in 10 minutes flat. Upon arriving at the hospital he told the intake nurse that I was in severe respiratory distress and he believed my CO2 levels were way too high. Well they stuck me on a little cot in the corner with oxygen and no one even came to look at me for almost an hour other than registration and the lab techs to draw the normal blood samples. Thank god I had my nebulizer. I started my own breathing treatments again. They never even drew an arterial blood gas which should have been the first thing to happen. Then when I finally did see the doc and respiratory, I had stopped dropping and my breathing was much more stable. The respiratory tech knew me very well so she was

able to tell the doc that if I came in to take it serious. So, the doc sat and talked with me and realized how low my flows still were even though I had been able to pretty much stabilize my breathing patterns (counting) and realized that I really had to stay at least overnight for a couple of extra salumedrol doses and to make sure I didn't decide to tank again. Ok, so good there. Not the best ER response I have ever seen, but it turned out ok. THEN, the patient who had been on the cot next to me left and the cleaning lady started spraying something on the bed to clean it which immediately set me off majorly. My husband yelled at her to quit and she wouldn't. Him yelling got the attention of the nurses who saw me turning several colors and it took two of them yelling at her to get her to quit spraying the stuff. I still don't know what it was. No one seems to know and that really is bugging me.

First I need to know so that it is on my stay away from list. I obviously can't handle it. Guys I have never had an attack like that. I remember her spraying, then a whole group of nurses, one of those manual breather mask things where the nurses are squeezing the bulb, being wheeled into some room where they put me on some machine that had this face mask with a big bag attached to it (does anyone have a clue what that was?), hearing someone say there wasn't time to hook up a ventilator, and then not much else for several hours. I do know it took them 5 hours to stabilize me enough to put me on the nursing floor. That is a long time, and I haven't been able to get anyone to tell me what really happened or went on which is what really bugs me. It feels like they are trying to hush it up. So, what should have been an overnight stay due to a drug reaction turned into two days and would have been longer except my

pulmonologist knows that I can handle most things at home better than the hospital staff. Also, I blew 3 IV's in 12 hours and the tech refused to put in a PICC line saying my veins were not good enough & the vasular surgeon said that I wasn't stable enough to have a port put in. They have to use local anesthetic and he wasn't willing to do that. He also said that if there are complications that they sometimes have to change over to a more general anesthetic in mid procedure and he couldn't take the chance of that with me until I was fully stable. At least one doc with a brain. So we had to switch back to all oral meds. Without the IV fluids and IV salumedrol not much use in me sitting in a hospital bed being exposed to God knows what.So that is where things stand right now. A brief version, but really as complete as I know. I will be working very hard over the next couple of days to try to

figure out exactly what happened. I won't be doing therapy at all this week . My doc says my lungs won't handle it. So, other than doctor appointments every day - yep all my docs want to see me this week - I will be spending the rest of my time trying to piece it all together. I am not really interested in retribution although I am madder than a wet hen. I really want to see some procedural changes and education with the janitorial staff and procedural changes with the hospitalist system (especially communications) . I think I had mentioned before that I am only supposed to see 3 of them & if none of those are available at the hospital the hospital doc who is there should at least pick up the phone and call one of them. I am going to make a formal complaint and file several incident reports on Monday with the hospitals risk management office as well as confer with my attorney. This was just

ridiculous. Workers comp has already indicated that they are filing suit for the cost of the visit. They are not denying the claim as they don't want it falling back on me, but they don't feel they should be responsible for some cleaning lady's lack of intelligence. I have to say I fully agree. Ok. I am done for now. Sorry I got on a rant there. I can't seem to be objective about this right now. I have to stop before my bp hits the roof! LOL! Hopefully, I will be able to be up with my kids a little more today. So still not online much. I will keep you all in the loop as I learn anything new. On an up note, I am so looking forward to Friday. The kids are out of school and we are heading to the coast where I breathe so much better! It will be a nice weekend sitting on the pier fishing! Love you

all.Madeline

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

It doesn't matter if it does or not I will

get turn down anyway. I have tried everthing

but all i get is turn down on everything. I am

getting fed up with getting turn down.

To: asthma Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 11:10:18 AMSubject: Re: Book - hospital-/Madeline

~

Does your hospital have community assistance? It is something you can try to fill out and if accepted, the hospital will pay for part of the bill.

Madeline~

Sorry you had such a bad time.

I used to work at our hospital, and we are always told to watch perfumes or anything that has a strong odor or scent, or anything that could make someone not feel good. I might be wrong, but I think that was part of our orientation, and people at the hospital still remind others to keep the smells down. They do need to look at changing some procedures. I know our cleaning staff is really amazing, if someone asked them to stop, they would definetely stop. I can't believe that she kept cleaning after nurses told her to stop. Feel better.

Rhonda W.

"Behold , I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19)

From: Bourg <kmanjamesyahoo (DOT) com>To: asthmayahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:57:12 AMSubject: Re: Book - hospital

Hi Madeline,

Girl you have been going through and lot as of

lately. The machine you were on I think is called a vent-

alater, it help people like you and me breathe to take some

of the stress of of you lungs. You never gues what I got

from the hospital. It was a bill and it said thanks for the your

parshal payment, but now we need the whole amount. I

told them over and over I don't have the money to pay

the whole bill, but Iguess they can't get it. Let me know how the

law suit goes I am curious about it.

From: Madeline Ingram <slim8972yahoo (DOT) com>To: Asthmayahoogroups (DOT) com; LovingAsthmaSupport @yahoogroups. comCc: Margaret <fromtheheart_ byrgmyahoo (DOT) com>; Terry <soccer.momverizon (DOT) net>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:09:24 AMSubject: Book - hospital

Hi all. I am in a bit of indecision about what to do with this hospital visit. I have to admit that I had read about nightmare hospital visits and ER visits in the past and (smugly) thought I haven't ever had a problem. Guess my turn came around. ROFL! I am working with a patient representative, but I am definitely getting the feeling that my concerns are not going to be addressed in the manner that I feel they should. I have a good family friend who is an attorney. I am going to call him on Monday and let him know what went on and let him advise me about it. I really don't want to file a lawsuit, but if that is what it takes to make some changes I will. In general the hospital system I use is terrific. The nursing staff, respiratory, and dietary just can't be beat. Part of that may be that I have spent so much time there I know most of them by first name.

LOL. So, they are very friendly and tend to tell me things and get me little treats that I know other patients don't get. The problem is the way the system is set up with these hospitalists. I have always been afraid of the situation that happened this time. Getting some doc who I have never seen before with a chip the size of Texas on his shoulder. In his defense, how is he supposed to know that I know what I am talking about. Especially when it comes to my lungs. Even my pulmonologist will tell you I am probably more informed than he is in some aspects of lung disease especially as it relates to me. So, it is all the more frustrating when I can't get a doc to listen. In all honesty (and don't worry - I am getting better and was stable when I was discharged), I should probably have stayed at least one more day. Maybe two, but I think I would have checked out AMA rather than do that. The

frustration level was just making things worse. I am not bouncing back quite as fast as I normally do, but I have found that with every severe episode it takes a little longer each time.This issue with the ER is my really major deal right now. They literally almost killed me. My husband has been out of his mind the last few days after witnessing that attack. I will be getting a complete copy of the records on Monday or Tuesday so I can read exactly what happened (and hopefully the records are accurate) because for about 4 or 5 hours I really have no idea. I do know that I went to the ER having a reaction to the Imuran (which I am off of now for good - I don't know yet what they will try to replace it with). My peak flows had dropped over 100 points in 20 minutes, and I immediately called 911. The paramedic who came through the door was an asthmatic himself and very informed. He didn't even bother

with the whole Q & A session and getting all the normal sats routine. He saw that I was in real trouble & told the guys that were with him to load me up and hit the lights. We made a 25 minute drive to the hospital in 10 minutes flat. Upon arriving at the hospital he told the intake nurse that I was in severe respiratory distress and he believed my CO2 levels were way too high. Well they stuck me on a little cot in the corner with oxygen and no one even came to look at me for almost an hour other than registration and the lab techs to draw the normal blood samples. Thank god I had my nebulizer. I started my own breathing treatments again. They never even drew an arterial blood gas which should have been the first thing to happen. Then when I finally did see the doc and respiratory, I had stopped dropping and my breathing was much more stable. The respiratory tech knew me very well so she was

able to tell the doc that if I came in to take it serious. So, the doc sat and talked with me and realized how low my flows still were even though I had been able to pretty much stabilize my breathing patterns (counting) and realized that I really had to stay at least overnight for a couple of extra salumedrol doses and to make sure I didn't decide to tank again. Ok, so good there. Not the best ER response I have ever seen, but it turned out ok. THEN, the patient who had been on the cot next to me left and the cleaning lady started spraying something on the bed to clean it which immediately set me off majorly. My husband yelled at her to quit and she wouldn't. Him yelling got the attention of the nurses who saw me turning several colors and it took two of them yelling at her to get her to quit spraying the stuff. I still don't know what it was. No one seems to know and that really is bugging me.

First I need to know so that it is on my stay away from list. I obviously can't handle it. Guys I have never had an attack like that. I remember her spraying, then a whole group of nurses, one of those manual breather mask things where the nurses are squeezing the bulb, being wheeled into some room where they put me on some machine that had this face mask with a big bag attached to it (does anyone have a clue what that was?), hearing someone say there wasn't time to hook up a ventilator, and then not much else for several hours. I do know it took them 5 hours to stabilize me enough to put me on the nursing floor. That is a long time, and I haven't been able to get anyone to tell me what really happened or went on which is what really bugs me. It feels like they are trying to hush it up. So, what should have been an overnight stay due to a drug reaction turned into two days and would have been longer except my

pulmonologist knows that I can handle most things at home better than the hospital staff. Also, I blew 3 IV's in 12 hours and the tech refused to put in a PICC line saying my veins were not good enough & the vasular surgeon said that I wasn't stable enough to have a port put in. They have to use local anesthetic and he wasn't willing to do that. He also said that if there are complications that they sometimes have to change over to a more general anesthetic in mid procedure and he couldn't take the chance of that with me until I was fully stable. At least one doc with a brain. So we had to switch back to all oral meds. Without the IV fluids and IV salumedrol not much use in me sitting in a hospital bed being exposed to God knows what.So that is where things stand right now. A brief version, but really as complete as I know. I will be working very hard over the next couple of days to try to

figure out exactly what happened. I won't be doing therapy at all this week . My doc says my lungs won't handle it. So, other than doctor appointments every day - yep all my docs want to see me this week - I will be spending the rest of my time trying to piece it all together. I am not really interested in retribution although I am madder than a wet hen. I really want to see some procedural changes and education with the janitorial staff and procedural changes with the hospitalist system (especially communications) . I think I had mentioned before that I am only supposed to see 3 of them & if none of those are available at the hospital the hospital doc who is there should at least pick up the phone and call one of them. I am going to make a formal complaint and file several incident reports on Monday with the hospitals risk management office as well as confer with my attorney. This was just

ridiculous. Workers comp has already indicated that they are filing suit for the cost of the visit. They are not denying the claim as they don't want it falling back on me, but they don't feel they should be responsible for some cleaning lady's lack of intelligence. I have to say I fully agree. Ok. I am done for now. Sorry I got on a rant there. I can't seem to be objective about this right now. I have to stop before my bp hits the roof! LOL! Hopefully, I will be able to be up with my kids a little more today. So still not online much. I will keep you all in the loop as I learn anything new. On an up note, I am so looking forward to Friday. The kids are out of school and we are heading to the coast where I breathe so much better! It will be a nice weekend sitting on the pier fishing! Love you

all.Madeline

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

I have a $1227.00 hospital bill I am looking at right

now. I don't have a penny to my name. My roommate

is paying a little at a time to get payed off. Yesterday I

got another statement ststing that they recieved my

payment, but now the hospital wants the whole amount

and not a little bit at a time. what the hospital don't know

is that I am not paying the bill but my rommate is paying the bill.

Me and my roommate is living on is my roommate disability

check that he get in the amount of $749.00 a month and

that is not easy to do.

To: asthma Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 11:10:18 AMSubject: Re: Book - hospital-/Madeline

~

Does your hospital have community assistance? It is something you can try to fill out and if accepted, the hospital will pay for part of the bill.

Madeline~

Sorry you had such a bad time.

I used to work at our hospital, and we are always told to watch perfumes or anything that has a strong odor or scent, or anything that could make someone not feel good. I might be wrong, but I think that was part of our orientation, and people at the hospital still remind others to keep the smells down. They do need to look at changing some procedures. I know our cleaning staff is really amazing, if someone asked them to stop, they would definetely stop. I can't believe that she kept cleaning after nurses told her to stop. Feel better.

Rhonda W.

"Behold , I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19)

From: Bourg <kmanjamesyahoo (DOT) com>To: asthmayahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:57:12 AMSubject: Re: Book - hospital

Hi Madeline,

Girl you have been going through and lot as of

lately. The machine you were on I think is called a vent-

alater, it help people like you and me breathe to take some

of the stress of of you lungs. You never gues what I got

from the hospital. It was a bill and it said thanks for the your

parshal payment, but now we need the whole amount. I

told them over and over I don't have the money to pay

the whole bill, but Iguess they can't get it. Let me know how the

law suit goes I am curious about it.

From: Madeline Ingram <slim8972yahoo (DOT) com>To: Asthmayahoogroups (DOT) com; LovingAsthmaSupport @yahoogroups. comCc: Margaret <fromtheheart_ byrgmyahoo (DOT) com>; Terry <soccer.momverizon (DOT) net>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:09:24 AMSubject: Book - hospital

Hi all. I am in a bit of indecision about what to do with this hospital visit. I have to admit that I had read about nightmare hospital visits and ER visits in the past and (smugly) thought I haven't ever had a problem. Guess my turn came around. ROFL! I am working with a patient representative, but I am definitely getting the feeling that my concerns are not going to be addressed in the manner that I feel they should. I have a good family friend who is an attorney. I am going to call him on Monday and let him know what went on and let him advise me about it. I really don't want to file a lawsuit, but if that is what it takes to make some changes I will. In general the hospital system I use is terrific. The nursing staff, respiratory, and dietary just can't be beat. Part of that may be that I have spent so much time there I know most of them by first name.

LOL. So, they are very friendly and tend to tell me things and get me little treats that I know other patients don't get. The problem is the way the system is set up with these hospitalists. I have always been afraid of the situation that happened this time. Getting some doc who I have never seen before with a chip the size of Texas on his shoulder. In his defense, how is he supposed to know that I know what I am talking about. Especially when it comes to my lungs. Even my pulmonologist will tell you I am probably more informed than he is in some aspects of lung disease especially as it relates to me. So, it is all the more frustrating when I can't get a doc to listen. In all honesty (and don't worry - I am getting better and was stable when I was discharged), I should probably have stayed at least one more day. Maybe two, but I think I would have checked out AMA rather than do that. The

frustration level was just making things worse. I am not bouncing back quite as fast as I normally do, but I have found that with every severe episode it takes a little longer each time.This issue with the ER is my really major deal right now. They literally almost killed me. My husband has been out of his mind the last few days after witnessing that attack. I will be getting a complete copy of the records on Monday or Tuesday so I can read exactly what happened (and hopefully the records are accurate) because for about 4 or 5 hours I really have no idea. I do know that I went to the ER having a reaction to the Imuran (which I am off of now for good - I don't know yet what they will try to replace it with). My peak flows had dropped over 100 points in 20 minutes, and I immediately called 911. The paramedic who came through the door was an asthmatic himself and very informed. He didn't even bother

with the whole Q & A session and getting all the normal sats routine. He saw that I was in real trouble & told the guys that were with him to load me up and hit the lights. We made a 25 minute drive to the hospital in 10 minutes flat. Upon arriving at the hospital he told the intake nurse that I was in severe respiratory distress and he believed my CO2 levels were way too high. Well they stuck me on a little cot in the corner with oxygen and no one even came to look at me for almost an hour other than registration and the lab techs to draw the normal blood samples. Thank god I had my nebulizer. I started my own breathing treatments again. They never even drew an arterial blood gas which should have been the first thing to happen. Then when I finally did see the doc and respiratory, I had stopped dropping and my breathing was much more stable. The respiratory tech knew me very well so she was

able to tell the doc that if I came in to take it serious. So, the doc sat and talked with me and realized how low my flows still were even though I had been able to pretty much stabilize my breathing patterns (counting) and realized that I really had to stay at least overnight for a couple of extra salumedrol doses and to make sure I didn't decide to tank again. Ok, so good there. Not the best ER response I have ever seen, but it turned out ok. THEN, the patient who had been on the cot next to me left and the cleaning lady started spraying something on the bed to clean it which immediately set me off majorly. My husband yelled at her to quit and she wouldn't. Him yelling got the attention of the nurses who saw me turning several colors and it took two of them yelling at her to get her to quit spraying the stuff. I still don't know what it was. No one seems to know and that really is bugging me.

First I need to know so that it is on my stay away from list. I obviously can't handle it. Guys I have never had an attack like that. I remember her spraying, then a whole group of nurses, one of those manual breather mask things where the nurses are squeezing the bulb, being wheeled into some room where they put me on some machine that had this face mask with a big bag attached to it (does anyone have a clue what that was?), hearing someone say there wasn't time to hook up a ventilator, and then not much else for several hours. I do know it took them 5 hours to stabilize me enough to put me on the nursing floor. That is a long time, and I haven't been able to get anyone to tell me what really happened or went on which is what really bugs me. It feels like they are trying to hush it up. So, what should have been an overnight stay due to a drug reaction turned into two days and would have been longer except my

pulmonologist knows that I can handle most things at home better than the hospital staff. Also, I blew 3 IV's in 12 hours and the tech refused to put in a PICC line saying my veins were not good enough & the vasular surgeon said that I wasn't stable enough to have a port put in. They have to use local anesthetic and he wasn't willing to do that. He also said that if there are complications that they sometimes have to change over to a more general anesthetic in mid procedure and he couldn't take the chance of that with me until I was fully stable. At least one doc with a brain. So we had to switch back to all oral meds. Without the IV fluids and IV salumedrol not much use in me sitting in a hospital bed being exposed to God knows what.So that is where things stand right now. A brief version, but really as complete as I know. I will be working very hard over the next couple of days to try to

figure out exactly what happened. I won't be doing therapy at all this week . My doc says my lungs won't handle it. So, other than doctor appointments every day - yep all my docs want to see me this week - I will be spending the rest of my time trying to piece it all together. I am not really interested in retribution although I am madder than a wet hen. I really want to see some procedural changes and education with the janitorial staff and procedural changes with the hospitalist system (especially communications) . I think I had mentioned before that I am only supposed to see 3 of them & if none of those are available at the hospital the hospital doc who is there should at least pick up the phone and call one of them. I am going to make a formal complaint and file several incident reports on Monday with the hospitals risk management office as well as confer with my attorney. This was just

ridiculous. Workers comp has already indicated that they are filing suit for the cost of the visit. They are not denying the claim as they don't want it falling back on me, but they don't feel they should be responsible for some cleaning lady's lack of intelligence. I have to say I fully agree. Ok. I am done for now. Sorry I got on a rant there. I can't seem to be objective about this right now. I have to stop before my bp hits the roof! LOL! Hopefully, I will be able to be up with my kids a little more today. So still not online much. I will keep you all in the loop as I learn anything new. On an up note, I am so looking forward to Friday. The kids are out of school and we are heading to the coast where I breathe so much better! It will be a nice weekend sitting on the pier fishing! Love you

all.Madeline