Re: A 'novel' ANTIVIRAL treatment, wonder what you guys think

[Guest guest]

http://www.krysalis.net/autism1.htm

let us know how you get on with cider vinegar.

Natasa

>

> ,

>

> Thanks for your reply. I did forget to mention that there is an

interaction

> between vitamin C and lysine/proline; specifically that collagen (and

> probably other connective tissue and the exterior matrix around cells

in

> general) is formed by lysine and proline becoming hydroxylated by

vitamin C.

> This interaction was the basis of Rath and ing's breakthrough

discovery

> of the root cause of cardiovascular disease, and it was in the context

of

> this research (at ing Institute) that Rath discovered the

> protease-disease connection and the hypothesis that vitamin C and

lysine

> together could stop some disease processes.

>

> Rath found most recently that when these three (vitamin C, lysine,

proline)

> are combined with one of the phenolic compounds in green tea (a

selective

> chemotherapeutic agent), that the combination stops cancer cells from

> attacking a collagen matrix in vitro - repeatability in the

laboratory. This

> combination is now being successfully used by cancer patients to

physically

> stop cancer. This then gives the body the opportunity to kill the

cancerous

> cells (and the green tea appears to cause apoptosis of cancer cells as

> well).

>

> The application of this technique to stop viral replication is touched

upon

> in Rath's book on cancer, which is available by free download at the

website

> I cited in my previous message, and also at the website devoted

specifically

> to cancer: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org.

>

> It would be interesting to find out how/if increased oxygen transport

(from

> MSM) might affect the success of Rath's approach.

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Response Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:53 AM

>

> ,

>

> I just picked up this email. I would like your permission to add it

also to

> my web page.

>

>

>

> Date: Mon, 1Dec2003 21:11:13

>

> ,

>

> By all means take and reprint whatever you feel appropriate from my

emails.

> This kind of information is never, and should be never, proprietary.

Rath's

> work is extraordinary, and in a different kind of world he would have

earned

> the Nobel Prize in Medicine. He is relegated and marginalized by the

medical

> establishment and the pharma companies to sell integrated vitamin

> combinations to support his very modest research facility. He is a

one-man

> dynamo, bringing the struggle against the pharma companies to the

> International Criminal Court. He convinced enough delegates to the

Codex

> Alimentarius meetings to stop what was eventually to become a

worldwide ban

> of nutritional supplements for use against disease (see

> http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org).

>

> Your contribution is important; it completes the hypotheses of

Levy

> (author of Vitamin C, Infections, Diseases, and Toxins - Curing the

> Incurable) and others who have found that vitamin C (and other

antioxidants)

> effectively stopped oxidative stress.

>

> You may also excerpt or link to my web pages for cancer, AIDS,

> cardiovascular disease, etc: http://www.cqs.com is my home page.

>

> Regards

>

>

> UPDATE 12/03

>

> Intravenous Immunoglobulin (IVIG) treatments and CLES bath

implications: I

> have just learned more about a treatment I had heard was successful in

some

> cases, Intravenous Immunoglobulin (IVIG) treatments. Immunoglobulin

boosts

> the immune system and thus treats a broad range of viruses. This is a

very

> new treatment approach with little published about it so far, but

appears to

> have a high success rate. Kent checked into it for his daughter. The

> treatment protocol used by the doctor he contacted consisted of 5-6

> intravenous injections spaced one month apart (at a cost of

approximately

> $5,000 each). A six-month treatment protocol.

>

> This answers many questions. It is very early in the use of the

treatment,

> but I will state the questions it answers for me and its implications

for

> the CLES bath.

>

> 1.

> It supports the premise that the root cause of autism is a

chronic

> viral infection.

> 2.

> I have wondered why the measles virus infection is chronic. The

> measles virus is a RNA virus. All retrovirus are RNA viruses but not

all RNA

> viruses are retroviruses. A retrovirus creates a DNA template, which

then is

> inserted in the cell's genome. Thereafter the genetic structure of the

cell

> itself provides the template to continually produce the RNA of the

virus and

> thus more viruses. I have long suspected that even though the measles

virus

> does not always act as a retrovirus, there may have been a mutation

that has

> taken place in some that has converted them into a retrovirus. This

explains

> the chronic nature of the viral infection. If this has happened, the

only

> treatment is to eliminate the infected cells. The only treatment I can

think

> of to accomplish this is to start by eliminating/deactivating the

active

> viruses continually, as they are produced, to prevent them from

infecting

> more cells. If this process is sustained long enough, the infected

cells

> will eventually die off, leaving only healthy cells. This explains why

the

> sustained IVIG treatments over several months are required. It is also

very

> encouraging because it demonstrates that this approach will be

effective.

> There are healthy cells that will produce more healthy cells to

replace the

> infected ones as long as they are not infected by more viruses.

>

> The retrovirus theory could explain how the measles virus could

have

> caused genetic damage that has disrupted the duodenal cells ability to

> produce secretin. If the virus DNA template is inserted in just the

wrong

> place in the cells genetic structure, the genes that are responsible

for

> producing the system that produces secretin might be deactivated.

> 3.

>

> This has implications for the CLES bath. If it is effective at

> controlling the viruses, as postulated, a sustained use of it over

> approximately six months has a chance at producing the same result - a

> permanent elimination of the measles infection in the intestine.

However, it

> also means that such a sustained treatment approach will be required.

>

>

> I personally don't have the capability to demonstrate this since I am

not a

> medical doctor and do not treat patients. I thus can only hope that

someone

> who does treat autistic children will attempt to evaluate the CLES

bath

> concept. If it is effective it could provide a far less expensive and

more

> readily available treatment option than the IVIG treatment.

> UPDATE 2/04

>

> An unexpected result from the CLES bath: She recovered her hearing!

>

> From: " Vickie Bockenkamp " vickie@

> Date: Mon Feb 2, 2004 12:50:53 PM US/Pacific

> To: dwgregg@

> Subject: CLES Bath update and my hearing loss correction

>

> :

>

> Back in 1992 I had surgery to correct a hearing loss in my left ear. I

was

> an outpatient at Alta Bates Hospital in Berkeley, CA, and was assured

that

> there would be no side affects to this day surgery and would be

feeling fine

> by the time I left the hospital at the end of the day. Imagine my

> disappointment after the surgery when every time I moved my head I

vomited!

> My doctor would not discharge me--it was soon discovered that I could

not

> walk, and my equilibrium was just totally off. I was finally

discharged

> after three days when the nurse propped me up in a chair, per my

husband's

> request. " A hospital was no place to get well! " I still could not walk

on my

> own, and was crawling on my hands and knees for three weeks. I was off

work

> for over six weeks, and when I was able to walk again without a wall

for

> support, I had an 85 to 90% hearing loss in that ear! I was

devastated, but

> learned to live with it. When going back to have my hearing checked my

> doctor told me he really didn't know what happened--this surgery had a

98%

> success rate and I was the 2% it did not work for--his only theory was

that

> I may have had a virus that was dormant in my system and it had

settled in

> my left ear--far fetched, possibly--but we never really knew. It has

> continued over the years to cause me distress. It seems to always be

full of

> fluid and many times painful, but when having it checked repeatedly,

was

> told everything was fine. I just now had a permanent hearing loss in

my left

> ear and was told to take good care of my right ear. I was also left

with

> Tinnitus and told that I would get used to it after a while--I use the

> Tinnitus as a stress gauge to this day--when I ear starts ringing at a

> louder tone, I know I have pushed myself too far and back off on my

> activities and the tone drops dramatically--I have never gotten use to

it

> after 12 years.

>

> After reviewing your information on your website under " Autism " and

the CLES

> bath, I tried a variation of this on myself. After talking to Kent

> Heckenlively about the CLES bath and the results with his daughter, I

had

> lost my voice and was about to cancel out on a very important project.

I

> thought, " Hey, why not try this bath and see if I feel a bit better? "

When

> searching for the Epsom Salt at Longs drugs I became discouraged

because of

> my general fatigue, and purchased the " Queene Helene " Batherapy bath

liquid.

> (Like Epsom Salt, its primary salt is magnesium sulfate) I crushed

4000 mg

> of Vitamin C with 1000 mg of L-Lysine and added it to a tub of water

with 2

> oz's of the Queene Helene Batherapy liquid. I crawled in the tub for

about

> 45 minutes to an hour--long enough to get into a good book! It was

very

> relaxing and not uncomfortable at all. Imagine my amazement when I got

out

> of the tub and went to get into bed and said to my husband, " my body

feels

> kind of tingly, but.... " then I stopped as he looked at me in

amazement--my

> voice was back! My eyes began to water and my nose began to run

non-stop for

> almost an hour and a half but I could talk. (My husband said, " oh no,

quiet

> time is over! " )

>

> The next day this ailment that I had was now in my eyes and I was

still

> terribly congested. I decided to kick the CLES bath up a notch, so I

did 2oz

> of the Queene Helene batherapy liquid, 8000 mg of vitamin C and 2000

mg of

> L-Lysine--again I soaked for about 45 minutes to an hour. Again the

response

> was one of instant congestion relief, and again I slept well. The

following

> morning I felt okay and went to work. By mid day I was starting to

slow down

> and decided to go home and take a little nap. Well, I woke from the

nap

> feeling a general body ache with flu like symptoms, aching all over

and

> generally sluggish. I decided to do another bath, and this time I used

> another 2 oz of the Queene Helene batherapy liquid, 10,000 mg of

Vitamin C

> and 3000 of L-Lysine. After my afternoon bath, I just wanted to sleep

and

> went in and lay down for another nap--my husband came in and was

talking on

> the phone, and I ask him to quiet down. I then commented that there

was a

> humming sound coming from the TV. My husband then came in the room and

ask

> me what was wrong, and why was I so sensitive all of a sudden. As I

rolled

> over on my pillow it occurred to me that I could hear the sound of the

> pillow case on my ear and the side of my head. My hearing had been

> restored--within a few hours of taking the CLES bath. I have trying to

> adjust to my new found hearing over the past few days, and it has been

a bit

> overwhelming at times. I woke this morning to the sound of the rain

and

> could hardly believe it. My ears are still full of fluid, and I am

still

> congested from whatever was moving through my system, but I can hear

the

> dial tone on the phone in my left ear, something I could not do for

years,

> and I can hear someone talking on my left side. I cannot tell you how

many

> times over the years people have said to me, " what's the matter with

you,

> are you deaf? " In the line at the grocery store when someone is trying

to

> talk to me and I cannot hear them, or at an airport. I did not have an

" out

> of order " sign on my left ear--so people did not realize that I had a

> hearing loss.

>

> We also discussed the possibility of adding a low dose of zinc to the

> mixture and so I tried another bath with the Queene Helene batherapy,

10,000

> mg of Vitamin C and 3000 of L-lysine with 50 mg of zinc. I could not

sleep

> that night and felt like I had the energy of Wonderwoman. My left ear

> starting ringing at a very high frequency and I attempted to drowned

out the

> sound by leaving the TV on all night and louder than normal--it was

> terrible. After finally falling asleep at around 3:30AM--I woke around

> 6:00AM and the ringing had subsided substantially. (I would not

recommend

> this combination for anyone with Tinnitus!)

>

> My point to this whole story is that if there is a connection with

nutrition

> and dormant virus's in the system, whether it has settled in the gut,

or as

> in my case, in my left ear--this may be a very viable treatment. I

contacted

> one of my clients who has an autistic son, who has been having major

> behavioral management issues with him after doing an AIT (sound

therapy

> program) over the holidays. The practioners comments where that

sometimes

> that happened, so what do we do about about? It appeared as though

nothing.

> I ask her to try the CLES bath with her son, and she came in to report

that

> he was far calmer and more settled after doing the bath. We are going

to

> continue with the baths three times a week to see what affect this

will have

> on him, and I will keep you posted.

> Sincerely,

>

> Vickie Bockenkamp

> Power Tools for Learning

> UPDATE 4/04

>

> A report from a mother using Pig Duodenum Powder (PDP) as a source of

> secretin for her autistic son.

>

> From Aldrene in Hawaii

> Aldrene has an eight-year-old autistic son and has recently explored

using

> pig duodenum powder (PDP) as a source of secretin - starting in

November

> 2003. In the past she had success first using an intravenous source

and then

> a trans=dermal source and both have now become unavailable. She found

them

> to be very effective in helping her son. When they became unavailable

and

> her doctor had no replacement, she decided to try the PDP offered on

my

> product page. She discovered that it was equivalently effective after

she

> developed a protocol that was right for him.

>

> Her Successful Protocol: She stirred the PDP into applesauce and fed

it to

> him three times a day. Once in the morning before breakfast, once

after

> school, and once in the evening before bed along with a fruit snack.

She

> started with a measured tablespoon full of PDP for each serving.

However she

> found that it made him a bit hyper. She then reduced it to 1/2 a

measured

> tablespoon of PDP for each serving and it seemed about right. It kept

him

> stable. She said if she missed even one serving his behavior became

> " spacey " .

>

> At the rate she was using the PDP, one container lasted her about

three

> months. Thus, her cost was about $20/month.

> UPDATE 7/26/04

>

> An email from another mother using Pig Duodenum Powder (PDP) as a

source of

> secretin for her autistic son.

>

> Dear Dr. Gregg,

>

> Just thought I would share a little of what I observed with Duncan

following

> the administration of PDS (pig duodenal substance).

>

> A little history:

>

> Duncan is 10 years old. He was diagnosed with autism when he was

almost 5

> years old. We have tried to follow the DAN protocol and eventually

hooked up

> with Dr. Green.

>

>

> We have been seeing Dr. A. Green III in Oregon City, Oregon since

> August of 2002. He offered Secretin injections (IV), which we tried.

The

> biggest benefit we noticed was that Duncan started sleeping all night

on a

> regular basis. This seemed to be the case for approx. 5 weeks, at

which time

> Duncan would begin waking in the night again. We continued the

injections

> every 1-2 months, as we were able until December of 2003. In January

of 2004

> I told Dr. Green that we hadn't been getting the same results the past

2

> months (Duncan sleeping all night) that we previously had gotten with

the

> Secretin. He informed me that the porcine-type of Secretin had become

> unavailable starting in November of 2003 and they had been using

synthetic

> Secretin. We discontinued the IV Secretin because we felt the benefit

we

> observed wasn't there anymore. Dr. Green suggested that there was

another

> type of Secretin available (via pig duodenum) that seemed helpful to

some,

> and shared Gregg's phone number. I purchased a bottle of the PDS

to

> try.

>

> February 2004:

>

> Dose: I wasn't sure how much or how to administer the PDS. So I tried

> different things, starting with the suggestions on the Krysalis web

page. I

> started with 1/2 T (1-1/2 teaspoons) per meal. After 2 days Duncan

became so

> energetic (a little hyper) I decided to cut back on the dose. After

much

> experimentation we found that 1/4 tsp. per meal was about right. More

than

> that seemed to get him a little " too happy " . He did begin sleeping at

night

> again (within 2 days) and I noticed the consistency of his stools

changed

> (within one day) to be much more compact and slightly darker. In the

> following 2-3 weeks Duncan's teacher made the remark that Duncan seems

to be

> " whipping through " his school work. She usually has had to prompt and

> redirect in protracted sessions to get him to finish his math and

spelling.

> Now he was finishing before everyone else. She was not aware that I

had

> changed anything at home.

>

> We have continued to enjoy the benefits of the PDS. Duncan does still

have

> some difficulty with dysbiosis, but the fact that his toileting is

much more

> regular, he's sleeping at night and continuing to demonstrate his

learning

> ability better has made me a believer that the PDS is a positive

> contribution to his gut and his brain!

>

> Note: I do not heat up the PDS. I store the big bottle in a deep

freeze and

> take out a small Tupperware amount at a time. I keep this smaller

container

> in my freezer in the kitchen and get my doses for each meal out of

that. I

> use a packed _ tsp. and mix it with coconut butter (at room temp. this

has a

> consistency of shortening) I have to kind of " smoosh " it around to get

it

> completely mixed and then I have Duncan take it. The coconut butter

kind of

> masks the flavor of the PDS briefly. He drinks lots of water or

diluted

> juice following that to get it down. He doesn't particularly like it,

but he

> is very cooperative about taking it.

>

> I hope this is useful information. I appreciate the opportunity to try

the

> PDS. Thank-you!

>

> Sandi Frood

>

[Guest guest]

Very interesting....

I would like to try the bath when we do antivirals. In the meantime I am a bit freaked out about the part that says " Viruses replicate using Protease.... " . My child did not do well on enzymes. Actually this summer he worsened considerably- it does coincide with introduction of enzymes. Could the proteases be feeding his virus? ( we are still awaiting the viral panel)

[Guest guest]

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply. I did forget to mention that there is an

> interaction

> > between vitamin C and lysine/proline; specifically that collagen

(and

> > probably other connective tissue and the exterior matrix around

cells

> in

> > general) is formed by lysine and proline becoming hydroxylated by

> vitamin C.

> > This interaction was the basis of Rath and ing's breakthrough

> discovery

> > of the root cause of cardiovascular disease, and it was in the

context

> of

> > this research (at ing Institute) that Rath discovered the

> > protease-disease connection and the hypothesis that vitamin C and

> lysine

> > together could stop some disease processes.

> >

> > Rath found most recently that when these three (vitamin C,

lysine,

> proline)

> > are combined with one of the phenolic compounds in green tea (a

> selective

> > chemotherapeutic agent), that the combination stops cancer cells

from

> > attacking a collagen matrix in vitro - repeatability in the

> laboratory. This

> > combination is now being successfully used by cancer patients to

> physically

> > stop cancer. This then gives the body the opportunity to kill the

> cancerous

> > cells (and the green tea appears to cause apoptosis of cancer

cells as

> > well).

> >

> > The application of this technique to stop viral replication is

touched

> upon

> > in Rath's book on cancer, which is available by free download at

the

> website

> > I cited in my previous message, and also at the website devoted

> specifically

> > to cancer: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org.

> >

> > It would be interesting to find out how/if increased oxygen

transport

> (from

> > MSM) might affect the success of Rath's approach.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> > Response Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:53 AM

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I just picked up this email. I would like your permission to add

it

> also to

> > my web page.

> >

> >

> >

> > Date: Mon, 1Dec2003 21:11:13

> >

> > ,

> >

> > By all means take and reprint whatever you feel appropriate from

my

> emails.

> > This kind of information is never, and should be never,

proprietary.

> Rath's

> > work is extraordinary, and in a different kind of world he would

have

> earned

> > the Nobel Prize in Medicine. He is relegated and marginalized by

the

> medical

> > establishment and the pharma companies to sell integrated vitamin

> > combinations to support his very modest research facility. He is

a

> one-man

> > dynamo, bringing the struggle against the pharma companies to the

> > International Criminal Court. He convinced enough delegates to

the

> Codex

> > Alimentarius meetings to stop what was eventually to become a

> worldwide ban

> > of nutritional supplements for use against disease (see

> > http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org).

> >

> > Your contribution is important; it completes the hypotheses of

> Levy

> > (author of Vitamin C, Infections, Diseases, and Toxins - Curing

the

> > Incurable) and others who have found that vitamin C (and other

> antioxidants)

> > effectively stopped oxidative stress.

> >

> > You may also excerpt or link to my web pages for cancer, AIDS,

> > cardiovascular disease, etc: http://www.cqs.com is my home page.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> > UPDATE 12/03

> >

> > Intravenous Immunoglobulin (IVIG) treatments and CLES bath

> implications: I

> > have just learned more about a treatment I had heard was

successful in

> some

> > cases, Intravenous Immunoglobulin (IVIG) treatments.

Immunoglobulin

> boosts

> > the immune system and thus treats a broad range of viruses. This

is a

> very

> > new treatment approach with little published about it so far, but

> appears to

> > have a high success rate. Kent checked into it for his daughter.

The

> > treatment protocol used by the doctor he contacted consisted of

5-6

> > intravenous injections spaced one month apart (at a cost of

> approximately

> > $5,000 each). A six-month treatment protocol.

> >

> > This answers many questions. It is very early in the use of the

> treatment,

> > but I will state the questions it answers for me and its

implications

> for

> > the CLES bath.

> >

> > 1.

> > It supports the premise that the root cause of autism is a

> chronic

> > viral infection.

> > 2.

> > I have wondered why the measles virus infection is

chronic. The

> > measles virus is a RNA virus. All retrovirus are RNA viruses but

not

> all RNA

> > viruses are retroviruses. A retrovirus creates a DNA template,

which

> then is

> > inserted in the cell's genome. Thereafter the genetic structure

of the

> cell

> > itself provides the template to continually produce the RNA of

the

> virus and

> > thus more viruses. I have long suspected that even though the

measles

> virus

> > does not always act as a retrovirus, there may have been a

mutation

> that has

> > taken place in some that has converted them into a retrovirus.

This

> explains

> > the chronic nature of the viral infection. If this has happened,

the

> only

> > treatment is to eliminate the infected cells. The only treatment

I can

> think

> > of to accomplish this is to start by eliminating/deactivating the

> active

> > viruses continually, as they are produced, to prevent them from

> infecting

> > more cells. If this process is sustained long enough, the

infected

> cells

> > will eventually die off, leaving only healthy cells. This

explains why

> the

> > sustained IVIG treatments over several months are required. It

is also

> very

> > encouraging because it demonstrates that this approach will be

> effective.

> > There are healthy cells that will produce more healthy cells to

> replace the

> > infected ones as long as they are not infected by more viruses.

> >

> > The retrovirus theory could explain how the measles virus

could

> have

> > caused genetic damage that has disrupted the duodenal cells

ability to

> > produce secretin. If the virus DNA template is inserted in just

the

> wrong

> > place in the cells genetic structure, the genes that are

responsible

> for

> > producing the system that produces secretin might be deactivated.

> > 3.

> >

> > This has implications for the CLES bath. If it is

effective at

> > controlling the viruses, as postulated, a sustained use of it

over

> > approximately six months has a chance at producing the same

result - a

> > permanent elimination of the measles infection in the intestine.

> However, it

> > also means that such a sustained treatment approach will be

required.

> >

> >

> > I personally don't have the capability to demonstrate this since

I am

> not a

> > medical doctor and do not treat patients. I thus can only hope

that

> someone

> > who does treat autistic children will attempt to evaluate the

CLES

> bath

> > concept. If it is effective it could provide a far less

expensive and

> more

> > readily available treatment option than the IVIG treatment.

> > UPDATE 2/04

> >

> > An unexpected result from the CLES bath: She recovered her

hearing!

> >

> > From: " Vickie Bockenkamp " vickie@

> > Date: Mon Feb 2, 2004 12:50:53 PM US/Pacific

> > To: dwgregg@

> > Subject: CLES Bath update and my hearing loss correction

> >

> > :

> >

> > Back in 1992 I had surgery to correct a hearing loss in my left

ear. I

> was

> > an outpatient at Alta Bates Hospital in Berkeley, CA, and was

assured

> that

> > there would be no side affects to this day surgery and would be

> feeling fine

> > by the time I left the hospital at the end of the day. Imagine my

> > disappointment after the surgery when every time I moved my head

I

> vomited!

> > My doctor would not discharge me--it was soon discovered that I

could

> not

> > walk, and my equilibrium was just totally off. I was finally

> discharged

> > after three days when the nurse propped me up in a chair, per my

> husband's

> > request. " A hospital was no place to get well! " I still could

not walk

> on my

> > own, and was crawling on my hands and knees for three weeks. I

was off

> work

> > for over six weeks, and when I was able to walk again without a

wall

> for

> > support, I had an 85 to 90% hearing loss in that ear! I was

> devastated, but

> > learned to live with it. When going back to have my hearing

checked my

> > doctor told me he really didn't know what happened--this surgery

had a

> 98%

> > success rate and I was the 2% it did not work for--his only

theory was

> that

> > I may have had a virus that was dormant in my system and it had

> settled in

> > my left ear--far fetched, possibly--but we never really knew. It

has

> > continued over the years to cause me distress. It seems to

always be

> full of

> > fluid and many times painful, but when having it checked

repeatedly,

> was

> > told everything was fine. I just now had a permanent hearing

loss in

> my left

> > ear and was told to take good care of my right ear. I was also

left

> with

> > Tinnitus and told that I would get used to it after a while--I

use the

> > Tinnitus as a stress gauge to this day--when I ear starts

ringing at a

> > louder tone, I know I have pushed myself too far and back off on

my

> > activities and the tone drops dramatically--I have never gotten

use to

> it

> > after 12 years.

> >

> > After reviewing your information on your website under " Autism "

and

> the CLES

> > bath, I tried a variation of this on myself. After talking to

Kent

> > Heckenlively about the CLES bath and the results with his

daughter, I

> had

> > lost my voice and was about to cancel out on a very important

project.

> I

> > thought, " Hey, why not try this bath and see if I feel a bit

better? "

> When

> > searching for the Epsom Salt at Longs drugs I became discouraged

> because of

> > my general fatigue, and purchased the " Queene Helene " Batherapy

bath

> liquid.

> > (Like Epsom Salt, its primary salt is magnesium sulfate) I

crushed

> 4000 mg

> > of Vitamin C with 1000 mg of L-Lysine and added it to a tub of

water

> with 2

> > oz's of the Queene Helene Batherapy liquid. I crawled in the tub

for

> about

> > 45 minutes to an hour--long enough to get into a good book! It

was

> very

> > relaxing and not uncomfortable at all. Imagine my amazement when

I got

> out

> > of the tub and went to get into bed and said to my husband, " my

body

> feels

> > kind of tingly, but.... " then I stopped as he looked at me in

> amazement--my

> > voice was back! My eyes began to water and my nose began to run

> non-stop for

> > almost an hour and a half but I could talk. (My husband

said, " oh no,

> quiet

> > time is over! " )

> >

> > The next day this ailment that I had was now in my eyes and I was

> still

> > terribly congested. I decided to kick the CLES bath up a notch,

so I

> did 2oz

> > of the Queene Helene batherapy liquid, 8000 mg of vitamin C and

2000

> mg of

> > L-Lysine--again I soaked for about 45 minutes to an hour. Again

the

> response

> > was one of instant congestion relief, and again I slept well. The

> following

> > morning I felt okay and went to work. By mid day I was starting

to

> slow down

> > and decided to go home and take a little nap. Well, I woke from

the

> nap

> > feeling a general body ache with flu like symptoms, aching all

over

> and

> > generally sluggish. I decided to do another bath, and this time

I used

> > another 2 oz of the Queene Helene batherapy liquid, 10,000 mg of

> Vitamin C

> > and 3000 of L-Lysine. After my afternoon bath, I just wanted to

sleep

> and

> > went in and lay down for another nap--my husband came in and was

> talking on

> > the phone, and I ask him to quiet down. I then commented that

there

> was a

> > humming sound coming from the TV. My husband then came in the

room and

> ask

> > me what was wrong, and why was I so sensitive all of a sudden.

As I

> rolled

> > over on my pillow it occurred to me that I could hear the sound

of the

> > pillow case on my ear and the side of my head. My hearing had

been

> > restored--within a few hours of taking the CLES bath. I have

trying to

> > adjust to my new found hearing over the past few days, and it

has been

> a bit

> > overwhelming at times. I woke this morning to the sound of the

rain

> and

> > could hardly believe it. My ears are still full of fluid, and I

am

> still

> > congested from whatever was moving through my system, but I can

hear

> the

> > dial tone on the phone in my left ear, something I could not do

for

> years,

> > and I can hear someone talking on my left side. I cannot tell

you how

> many

> > times over the years people have said to me, " what's the matter

with

> you,

> > are you deaf? " In the line at the grocery store when someone is

trying

> to

> > talk to me and I cannot hear them, or at an airport. I did not

have an

> " out

> > of order " sign on my left ear--so people did not realize that I

had a

> > hearing loss.

> >

> > We also discussed the possibility of adding a low dose of zinc

to the

> > mixture and so I tried another bath with the Queene Helene

batherapy,

> 10,000

> > mg of Vitamin C and 3000 of L-lysine with 50 mg of zinc. I could

not

> sleep

> > that night and felt like I had the energy of Wonderwoman. My

left ear

> > starting ringing at a very high frequency and I attempted to

drowned

> out the

> > sound by leaving the TV on all night and louder than normal--it

was

> > terrible. After finally falling asleep at around 3:30AM--I woke

around

> > 6:00AM and the ringing had subsided substantially. (I would not

> recommend

> > this combination for anyone with Tinnitus!)

> >

> > My point to this whole story is that if there is a connection

with

> nutrition

> > and dormant virus's in the system, whether it has settled in the

gut,

> or as

> > in my case, in my left ear--this may be a very viable treatment.

I

> contacted

> > one of my clients who has an autistic son, who has been having

major

> > behavioral management issues with him after doing an AIT (sound

> therapy

> > program) over the holidays. The practioners comments where that

> sometimes

> > that happened, so what do we do about about? It appeared as

though

> nothing.

> > I ask her to try the CLES bath with her son, and she came in to

report

> that

> > he was far calmer and more settled after doing the bath. We are

going

> to

> > continue with the baths three times a week to see what affect

this

> will have

> > on him, and I will keep you posted.

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Vickie Bockenkamp

> > Power Tools for Learning

> > UPDATE 4/04

> >

> > A report from a mother using Pig Duodenum Powder (PDP) as a

source of

> > secretin for her autistic son.

> >

> > From Aldrene in Hawaii

> > Aldrene has an eight-year-old autistic son and has recently

explored

> using

> > pig duodenum powder (PDP) as a source of secretin - starting in

> November

> > 2003. In the past she had success first using an intravenous

source

> and then

> > a trans=dermal source and both have now become unavailable. She

found

> them

> > to be very effective in helping her son. When they became

unavailable

> and

> > her doctor had no replacement, she decided to try the PDP

offered on

> my

> > product page. She discovered that it was equivalently effective

after

> she

> > developed a protocol that was right for him.

> >

> > Her Successful Protocol: She stirred the PDP into applesauce and

fed

> it to

> > him three times a day. Once in the morning before breakfast, once

> after

> > school, and once in the evening before bed along with a fruit

snack.

> She

> > started with a measured tablespoon full of PDP for each serving.

> However she

> > found that it made him a bit hyper. She then reduced it to 1/2 a

> measured

> > tablespoon of PDP for each serving and it seemed about right. It

kept

> him

> > stable. She said if she missed even one serving his behavior

became

> > " spacey " .

> >

> > At the rate she was using the PDP, one container lasted her about

> three

> > months. Thus, her cost was about $20/month.

> > UPDATE 7/26/04

> >

> > An email from another mother using Pig Duodenum Powder (PDP) as a

> source of

> > secretin for her autistic son.

> >

> > Dear Dr. Gregg,

> >

> > Just thought I would share a little of what I observed with

Duncan

> following

> > the administration of PDS (pig duodenal substance).

> >

> > A little history:

> >

> > Duncan is 10 years old. He was diagnosed with autism when he was

> almost 5

> > years old. We have tried to follow the DAN protocol and

eventually

> hooked up

> > with Dr. Green.

> >

> >

> > We have been seeing Dr. A. Green III in Oregon City, Oregon

since

> > August of 2002. He offered Secretin injections (IV), which we

tried.

> The

> > biggest benefit we noticed was that Duncan started sleeping all

night

> on a

> > regular basis. This seemed to be the case for approx. 5 weeks, at

> which time

> > Duncan would begin waking in the night again. We continued the

> injections

> > every 1-2 months, as we were able until December of 2003. In

January

> of 2004

> > I told Dr. Green that we hadn't been getting the same results

the past

> 2

> > months (Duncan sleeping all night) that we previously had gotten

with

> the

> > Secretin. He informed me that the porcine-type of Secretin had

become

> > unavailable starting in November of 2003 and they had been using

> synthetic

> > Secretin. We discontinued the IV Secretin because we felt the

benefit

> we

> > observed wasn't there anymore. Dr. Green suggested that there was

> another

> > type of Secretin available (via pig duodenum) that seemed

helpful to

> some,

> > and shared Gregg's phone number. I purchased a bottle of

the PDS

> to

> > try.

> >

> > February 2004:

> >

> > Dose: I wasn't sure how much or how to administer the PDS. So I

tried

> > different things, starting with the suggestions on the Krysalis

web

> page. I

> > started with 1/2 T (1-1/2 teaspoons) per meal. After 2 days

Duncan

> became so

> > energetic (a little hyper) I decided to cut back on the dose.

After

> much

> > experimentation we found that 1/4 tsp. per meal was about right.

More

> than

> > that seemed to get him a little " too happy " . He did begin

sleeping at

> night

> > again (within 2 days) and I noticed the consistency of his stools

> changed

> > (within one day) to be much more compact and slightly darker. In

the

> > following 2-3 weeks Duncan's teacher made the remark that Duncan

seems

> to be

> > " whipping through " his school work. She usually has had to

prompt and

> > redirect in protracted sessions to get him to finish his math and

> spelling.

> > Now he was finishing before everyone else. She was not aware

that I

> had

> > changed anything at home.

> >

> > We have continued to enjoy the benefits of the PDS. Duncan does

still

> have

> > some difficulty with dysbiosis, but the fact that his toileting

is

> much more

> > regular, he's sleeping at night and continuing to demonstrate his

> learning

> > ability better has made me a believer that the PDS is a positive

> > contribution to his gut and his brain!

> >

> > Note: I do not heat up the PDS. I store the big bottle in a deep

> freeze and

> > take out a small Tupperware amount at a time. I keep this smaller

> container

> > in my freezer in the kitchen and get my doses for each meal out

of

> that. I

> > use a packed _ tsp. and mix it with coconut butter (at room

temp. this

> has a

> > consistency of shortening) I have to kind of " smoosh " it around

to get

> it

> > completely mixed and then I have Duncan take it. The coconut

butter

> kind of

> > masks the flavor of the PDS briefly. He drinks lots of water or

> diluted

> > juice following that to get it down. He doesn't particularly

like it,

> but he

> > is very cooperative about taking it.

> >

> > I hope this is useful information. I appreciate the opportunity

to try

> the

> > PDS. Thank-you!

> >

> > Sandi Frood

> >

>

hello , that was woderfull information. thank you for that.

[Guest guest]

>

> Very interesting....

> >

>

> I would like to try the bath when we do antivirals. In the

meantime I am a

> bit freaked out about the part that says " Viruses replicate using

> Protease.... " . My child did not do well on enzymes. Actually this

summer he

> worsened considerably- it does coincide with introduction of

enzymes. Could

> the proteases be feeding his virus? ( we are still awaiting the

viral panel)

>

>

>

> I have heard protease, feeds the cancer cell, but not the virues,

where did you hear that?

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Thanks for your reply. I did forget to mention that there is an

interaction

> between vitamin C and lysine/proline; specifically that collagen

(and

> probably other connective tissue and the exterior matrix around

cells in

> general) is formed by lysine and proline becoming hydroxylated by

vitamin C.

> This interaction was the basis of Rath and ing's breakthrough

discovery

> of the root cause of cardiovascular disease, and it was in the

context of

> this research (at ing Institute) that Rath discovered the

> protease-disease connection and the hypothesis that vitamin C and

lysine

> together could stop some disease processes.

>

> Rath found most recently that when these three (vitamin C, lysine,

proline)

> are combined with one of the phenolic compounds in green tea (a

selective

> chemotherapeutic agent), that the combination stops cancer cells

from

> attacking a collagen matrix in vitro - repeatability in the

laboratory. This

> combination is now being successfully used by cancer patients to

physically

> stop cancer. This then gives the body the opportunity to kill the

cancerous

> cells (and the green tea appears to cause apoptosis of cancer

cells as

> well).

>

> The application of this technique to stop viral replication is

touched upon

> in Rath's book on cancer, which is available by free download at

the website

> I cited in my previous message, and also at the website devoted

specifically

> to cancer: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org.

>

> It would be interesting to find out how/if increased oxygen

transport (from

> MSM) might affect the success of Rath's approach.

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Response Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:53 AM

>

> ,

>

> I just picked up this email. I would like your permission to add

it also to

> my web page.

>

>

>

> Date: Mon, 1Dec2003 21:11:13

>

> ,

>

> By all means take and reprint whatever you feel appropriate from

my emails.

> This kind of information is never, and should be never,

proprietary. Rath's

> work is extraordinary, and in a different kind of world he would

have earned

> the Nobel Prize in Medicine. He is relegated and marginalized by

the medical

> establishment and the pharma companies to sell integrated vitamin

> combinations to support his very modest research facility. He is a

one-man

> dynamo, bringing the struggle against the pharma companies to the

> International Criminal Court. He convinced enough delegates to the

Codex

> Alimentarius meetings to stop what was eventually to become a

worldwide ban

> of nutritional supplements for use against disease (see

> http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org).

>

> Your contribution is important; it completes the hypotheses of

Levy

> (author of Vitamin C, Infections, Diseases, and Toxins - Curing the

> Incurable) and others who have found that vitamin C (and other

antioxidants)

> effectively stopped oxidative stress.

>

> You may also excerpt or link to my web pages for cancer, AIDS,

> cardiovascular disease, etc: http://www.cqs.com is my home page.

>

> Regards

>

>

> UPDATE 12/03

>

> Intravenous Immunoglobulin (IVIG) treatments and CLES bath

implications: I

> have just learned more about a treatment I had heard was

successful in some

> cases, Intravenous Immunoglobulin (IVIG) treatments.

Immunoglobulin boosts

> the immune system and thus treats a broad range of viruses. This

is a very

> new treatment approach with little published about it so far, but

appears to

> have a high success rate. Kent checked into it for his daughter.

The

> treatment protocol used by the doctor he contacted consisted of 5-6

> intravenous injections spaced one month apart (at a cost of

approximately

> $5,000 each). A six-month treatment protocol.

>

> This answers many questions. It is very early in the use of the

treatment,

> but I will state the questions it answers for me and its

implications for

> the CLES bath.

>

> 1.

> It supports the premise that the root cause of autism is a

chronic

> viral infection.

> 2.

> I have wondered why the measles virus infection is chronic.

The

> measles virus is a RNA virus. All retrovirus are RNA viruses but

not all RNA

> viruses are retroviruses. A retrovirus creates a DNA template,

which then is

> inserted in the cell's genome. Thereafter the genetic structure of

the cell

> itself provides the template to continually produce the RNA of the

virus and

> thus more viruses. I have long suspected that even though the

measles virus

> does not always act as a retrovirus, there may have been a

mutation that has

> taken place in some that has converted them into a retrovirus.

This explains

> the chronic nature of the viral infection. If this has happened,

the only

> treatment is to eliminate the infected cells. The only treatment I

can think

> of to accomplish this is to start by eliminating/deactivating the

active

> viruses continually, as they are produced, to prevent them from

infecting

> more cells. If this process is sustained long enough, the infected

cells

> will eventually die off, leaving only healthy cells. This explains

why the

> sustained IVIG treatments over several months are required. It is

also very

> encouraging because it demonstrates that this approach will be

effective.

> There are healthy cells that will produce more healthy cells to

replace the

> infected ones as long as they are not infected by more viruses.

>

> The retrovirus theory could explain how the measles virus

could have

> caused genetic damage that has disrupted the duodenal cells

ability to

> produce secretin. If the virus DNA template is inserted in just

the wrong

> place in the cells genetic structure, the genes that are

responsible for

> producing the system that produces secretin might be deactivated.

> 3.

>

> This has implications for the CLES bath. If it is effective

at

> controlling the viruses, as postulated, a sustained use of it over

> approximately six months has a chance at producing the same

result - a

> permanent elimination of the measles infection in the intestine.

However, it

> also means that such a sustained treatment approach will be

required.

>

>

> I personally don't have the capability to demonstrate this since I

am not a

> medical doctor and do not treat patients. I thus can only hope

that someone

> who does treat autistic children will attempt to evaluate the CLES

bath

> concept. If it is effective it could provide a far less expensive

and more

> readily available treatment option than the IVIG treatment.

> UPDATE 2/04

>

> An unexpected result from the CLES bath: She recovered her hearing!

>

> From: " Vickie Bockenkamp " vickie@

> Date: Mon Feb 2, 2004 12:50:53 PM US/Pacific

> To: dwgregg@

> Subject: CLES Bath update and my hearing loss correction

>

> :

>

> Back in 1992 I had surgery to correct a hearing loss in my left

ear. I was

> an outpatient at Alta Bates Hospital in Berkeley, CA, and was

assured that

> there would be no side affects to this day surgery and would be

feeling fine

> by the time I left the hospital at the end of the day. Imagine my

> disappointment after the surgery when every time I moved my head I

vomited!

> My doctor would not discharge me--it was soon discovered that I

could not

> walk, and my equilibrium was just totally off. I was finally

discharged

> after three days when the nurse propped me up in a chair, per my

husband's

> request. " A hospital was no place to get well! " I still could not

walk on my

> own, and was crawling on my hands and knees for three weeks. I was

off work

> for over six weeks, and when I was able to walk again without a

wall for

> support, I had an 85 to 90% hearing loss in that ear! I was

devastated, but

> learned to live with it. When going back to have my hearing

checked my

> doctor told me he really didn't know what happened--this surgery

had a 98%

> success rate and I was the 2% it did not work for--his only theory

was that

> I may have had a virus that was dormant in my system and it had

settled in

> my left ear--far fetched, possibly--but we never really knew. It

has

> continued over the years to cause me distress. It seems to always

be full of

> fluid and many times painful, but when having it checked

repeatedly, was

> told everything was fine. I just now had a permanent hearing loss

in my left

> ear and was told to take good care of my right ear. I was also

left with

> Tinnitus and told that I would get used to it after a while--I use

the

> Tinnitus as a stress gauge to this day--when I ear starts ringing

at a

> louder tone, I know I have pushed myself too far and back off on my

> activities and the tone drops dramatically--I have never gotten

use to it

> after 12 years.

>

> After reviewing your information on your website under " Autism "

and the CLES

> bath, I tried a variation of this on myself. After talking to Kent

> Heckenlively about the CLES bath and the results with his

daughter, I had

> lost my voice and was about to cancel out on a very important

project. I

> thought, " Hey, why not try this bath and see if I feel a bit

better? " When

> searching for the Epsom Salt at Longs drugs I became discouraged

because of

> my general fatigue, and purchased the " Queene Helene " Batherapy

bath liquid.

> (Like Epsom Salt, its primary salt is magnesium sulfate) I crushed

4000 mg

> of Vitamin C with 1000 mg of L-Lysine and added it to a tub of

water with 2

> oz's of the Queene Helene Batherapy liquid. I crawled in the tub

for about

> 45 minutes to an hour--long enough to get into a good book! It was

very

> relaxing and not uncomfortable at all. Imagine my amazement when I

got out

> of the tub and went to get into bed and said to my husband, " my

body feels

> kind of tingly, but.... " then I stopped as he looked at me in

amazement--my

> voice was back! My eyes began to water and my nose began to run

non-stop for

> almost an hour and a half but I could talk. (My husband said, " oh

no, quiet

> time is over! " )

>

> The next day this ailment that I had was now in my eyes and I was

still

> terribly congested. I decided to kick the CLES bath up a notch, so

I did 2oz

> of the Queene Helene batherapy liquid, 8000 mg of vitamin C and

2000 mg of

> L-Lysine--again I soaked for about 45 minutes to an hour. Again

the response

> was one of instant congestion relief, and again I slept well. The

following

> morning I felt okay and went to work. By mid day I was starting to

slow down

> and decided to go home and take a little nap. Well, I woke from

the nap

> feeling a general body ache with flu like symptoms, aching all

over and

> generally sluggish. I decided to do another bath, and this time I

used

> another 2 oz of the Queene Helene batherapy liquid, 10,000 mg of

Vitamin C

> and 3000 of L-Lysine. After my afternoon bath, I just wanted to

sleep and

> went in and lay down for another nap--my husband came in and was

talking on

> the phone, and I ask him to quiet down. I then commented that

there was a

> humming sound coming from the TV. My husband then came in the room

and ask

> me what was wrong, and why was I so sensitive all of a sudden. As

I rolled

> over on my pillow it occurred to me that I could hear the sound of

the

> pillow case on my ear and the side of my head. My hearing had been

> restored--within a few hours of taking the CLES bath. I have

trying to

> adjust to my new found hearing over the past few days, and it has

been a bit

> overwhelming at times. I woke this morning to the sound of the

rain and

> could hardly believe it. My ears are still full of fluid, and I am

still

> congested from whatever was moving through my system, but I can

hear the

> dial tone on the phone in my left ear, something I could not do

for years,

> and I can hear someone talking on my left side. I cannot tell you

how many

> times over the years people have said to me, " what's the matter

with you,

> are you deaf? " In the line at the grocery store when someone is

trying to

> talk to me and I cannot hear them, or at an airport. I did not

have an " out

> of order " sign on my left ear--so people did not realize that I

had a

> hearing loss.

>

> We also discussed the possibility of adding a low dose of zinc to

the

> mixture and so I tried another bath with the Queene Helene

batherapy, 10,000

> mg of Vitamin C and 3000 of L-lysine with 50 mg of zinc. I could

not sleep

> that night and felt like I had the energy of Wonderwoman. My left

ear

> starting ringing at a very high frequency and I attempted to

drowned out the

> sound by leaving the TV on all night and louder than normal--it was

> terrible. After finally falling asleep at around 3:30AM--I woke

around

> 6:00AM and the ringing had subsided substantially. (I would not

recommend

> this combination for anyone with Tinnitus!)

>

> My point to this whole story is that if there is a connection with

nutrition

> and dormant virus's in the system, whether it has settled in the

gut, or as

> in my case, in my left ear--this may be a very viable treatment. I

contacted

> one of my clients who has an autistic son, who has been having

major

> behavioral management issues with him after doing an AIT (sound

therapy

> program) over the holidays. The practioners comments where that

sometimes

> that happened, so what do we do about about? It appeared as though

nothing.

> I ask her to try the CLES bath with her son, and she came in to

report that

> he was far calmer and more settled after doing the bath. We are

going to

> continue with the baths three times a week to see what affect this

will have

> on him, and I will keep you posted.

> Sincerely,

>

> Vickie Bockenkamp

> Power Tools for Learning

> UPDATE 4/04

>

> A report from a mother using Pig Duodenum Powder (PDP) as a source

of

> secretin for her autistic son.

>

> From Aldrene in Hawaii

> Aldrene has an eight-year-old autistic son and has recently

explored using

> pig duodenum powder (PDP) as a source of secretin - starting in

November

> 2003. In the past she had success first using an intravenous

source and then

> a trans=dermal source and both have now become unavailable. She

found them

> to be very effective in helping her son. When they became

unavailable and

> her doctor had no replacement, she decided to try the PDP offered

on my

> product page. She discovered that it was equivalently effective

after she

> developed a protocol that was right for him.

>

> Her Successful Protocol: She stirred the PDP into applesauce and

fed it to

> him three times a day. Once in the morning before breakfast, once

after

> school, and once in the evening before bed along with a fruit

snack. She

> started with a measured tablespoon full of PDP for each serving.

However she

> found that it made him a bit hyper. She then reduced it to 1/2 a

measured

> tablespoon of PDP for each serving and it seemed about right. It

kept him

> stable. She said if she missed even one serving his behavior became

> " spacey " .

>

> At the rate she was using the PDP, one container lasted her about

three

> months. Thus, her cost was about $20/month.

> UPDATE 7/26/04

>

> An email from another mother using Pig Duodenum Powder (PDP) as a

source of

> secretin for her autistic son.

>

> Dear Dr. Gregg,

>

> Just thought I would share a little of what I observed with Duncan

following

> the administration of PDS (pig duodenal substance).

>

> A little history:

>

> Duncan is 10 years old. He was diagnosed with autism when he was

almost 5

> years old. We have tried to follow the DAN protocol and eventually

hooked up

> with Dr. Green.

>

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> We have been seeing Dr. A. Green III in Oregon City, Oregon

since

> August of 2002. He offered Secretin injections (IV), which we

tried. The

> biggest benefit we noticed was that Duncan started sleeping all

night on a

> regular basis. This seemed to be the case for approx. 5 weeks, at

which time

> Duncan would begin waking in the night again. We continued the

injections

> every 1-2 months, as we were able until December of 2003. In

January of 2004

> I told Dr. Green that we hadn't been getting the same results the

past 2

> months (Duncan sleeping all night) that we previously had gotten

with the

> Secretin. He informed me that the porcine-type of Secretin had

become

> unavailable starting in November of 2003 and they had been using

synthetic

> Secretin. We discontinued the IV Secretin because we felt the

benefit we

> observed wasn't there anymore. Dr. Green suggested that there was

another

> type of Secretin available (via pig duodenum) that seemed helpful

to some,

> and shared Gregg's phone number. I purchased a bottle of the

PDS to

> try.

>

> February 2004:

>

> Dose: I wasn't sure how much or how to administer the PDS. So I

tried

> different things, starting with the suggestions on the Krysalis

web page. I

> started with 1/2 T (1-1/2 teaspoons) per meal. After 2 days Duncan

became so

> energetic (a little hyper) I decided to cut back on the dose.

After much

> experimentation we found that 1/4 tsp. per meal was about right.

More than

> that seemed to get him a little " too happy " . He did begin sleeping

at night

> again (within 2 days) and I noticed the consistency of his stools

changed

> (within one day) to be much more compact and slightly darker. In

the

> following 2-3 weeks Duncan's teacher made the remark that Duncan

seems to be

> " whipping through " his school work. She usually has had to prompt

and

> redirect in protracted sessions to get him to finish his math and

spelling.

> Now he was finishing before everyone else. She was not aware that

I had

> changed anything at home.

>

> We have continued to enjoy the benefits of the PDS. Duncan does

still have

> some difficulty with dysbiosis, but the fact that his toileting is

much more

> regular, he's sleeping at night and continuing to demonstrate his

learning

> ability better has made me a believer that the PDS is a positive

> contribution to his gut and his brain!

>

> Note: I do not heat up the PDS. I store the big bottle in a deep

freeze and

> take out a small Tupperware amount at a time. I keep this smaller

container

> in my freezer in the kitchen and get my doses for each meal out of

that. I

> use a packed _ tsp. and mix it with coconut butter (at room temp.

this has a

> consistency of shortening) I have to kind of " smoosh " it around to

get it

> completely mixed and then I have Duncan take it. The coconut

butter kind of

> masks the flavor of the PDS briefly. He drinks lots of water or

diluted

> juice following that to get it down. He doesn't particularly like

it, but he

> is very cooperative about taking it.

>

> I hope this is useful information. I appreciate the opportunity to

try the

> PDS. Thank-you!

>

> Sandi Frood

>

hello again , could you tell me if protease enzyme feeds the

viruses, my son has a herpes virues, but not measeles, thank you.

[Guest guest]

, have you tried posting that quiestion on autism-enzymes list?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/EnzymesandAutism

Natasa

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> I would like to try the bath when we do antivirals. In the meantime I

am a

> bit freaked out about the part that says " Viruses replicate using

> Protease.... " . My child did not do well on enzymes. Actually this

summer he

> worsened considerably- it does coincide with introduction of enzymes.

Could

> the proteases be feeding his virus? ( we are still awaiting the viral

panel)

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[Guest guest]

what is the best test to check for yeast? thanks, lisa

Re: A 'novel' ANTIVIRAL treatment, wonder what you guys think

, have you tried posting that quiestion on autism-enzymes list?http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/EnzymesandAutismNatasa--- In mb12 valtrex , "Mommy Boy" wrote:>> Very interesting....> >>> I would like to try the bath when we do antivirals. In the meantime Iam a> bit freaked out about the part that says "Viruses replicate using> Protease....". My child did not do well on enzymes. Actually thissummer he> worsened considerably- it does coincide with introduction of enzymes.Could> the proteases be feeding his virus? ( we are still awaiting the viralpanel)>> >>>>>>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Natasa, I will do that.

, have you tried posting that quiestion on autism-enzymes list?http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/EnzymesandAutism

Natasa>

> Very interesting....> >>> I would like to try the bath when we do antivirals. In the meantime Iam a> bit freaked out about the part that says " Viruses replicate using

> Protease.... " . My child did not do well on enzymes. Actually thissummer he> worsened considerably- it does coincide with introduction of enzymes.Could> the proteases be feeding his virus? ( we are still awaiting the viral

panel)>> >>>>>>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Organic Acid Test I believe.

Natasa

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> > Protease.... " . My child did not do well on enzymes. Actually this

> summer he

> > worsened considerably- it does coincide with introduction of

enzymes.

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viral

> panel)

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[Guest guest]

I hear a lot about the epsom salt baths. How much epson salt should be put in the water? I tried this once, I think the carton said 2 cups, which I guesstimated. My son developed large, raw, scaly, cracking patches on his thighs. We did not use epsom salt again. I put calendula oil on the raw areas which seemed to help. I haven't seen anything like that before or since. He has had hyperkeratosis from a young age, which is almost gone since he started cod liver oil. I also put apricot oil in his bathwater and use dove unscented soap.

Jen