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We do have housekeeping to clean our rooms. We are suppose to strip the beds &

throw out the IV bags, or any syringes left in the room. Sounds like I should be thankful, at least, for our housekeeping. We have so many pts. that I don't think the hospital would want to "tie up" the nurses doing cleaning when there are pts waiting for a nurse.

Carlene

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Hi everyone -

Thanks for your input with my question. We also have to clean up our instruments and equipment, etc etc...strip off the linen and stuff like that. Our housekeepers are kinda strange - they don't want to clean up any body fluids...they want the nurses to do it and then they can come in and just tidy up. One night one of the nurses had a patient that vomited all over the floor, and she called housekeeping ( she had 2 active labor patients ) and when the housekeeper came, he complained that she didn't clean up the vomit - he thought that he was just going to mop up where the puke *had* been! * sigh *

Chris

[Guest guest]

OMG.....do we have the same housekeepers? LOL

JoAnn

[Guest guest]

WOW am I feeling thankful this morning. We do about

3500 deliveries a year and we are required to make sure

the sharps are discarded but that is it. Our msr

(maternity services reps) strip the bed, clean the

floors, etc. they even take care of the placenta

buckets and delivery packs (we don't use delivery tables

just precip packs for deliveries) and will pack and bag

your placenta for pathology if you leave a requisition

and some labels with the pack.

Most of us clean up as much as possible during our

recovery period but that's it. They clean the pumps at

that time too

After we scrub we discard our sharps and clean our

instruments but we leave the rest of the room for the

msr.

> We do have housekeeping to clean our rooms. We are suppose to strip the beds &

> throw out the IV bags, or any syringes left in the room. Sounds like I

> should be thankful, at least, for our housekeeping. We have so many pts. that

> I don't think the hospital would want to " tie up " the nurses doing cleaning

> when there are pts waiting for a nurse.

>

> Carlene

[Guest guest]

.. they even take care of the placenta buckets and delivery packs (we don't use delivery tables just precip packs for deliveries) and will pack and bag your placenta for pathology if you leave a requisition and some labels with the pack

...are your materniy services reps a unit assitant/nursing type person or from environmental services? Just curious.......Lori

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they are technically both. On our unit they mostly do

environmental services type stuff. they clean and stock

the rooms, run bloods to the lab if the tube system is

down, transport patients (mom's only they aren't allowed

to transport babies) but they can also be pulled off of

the unit to be sitters on the psych or peds floor. They

are multi-talented

> In a message dated 5/6/01 11:37:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> juliedeemer2@... writes:

>

>

> > . they even take care of the placenta

> > buckets and delivery packs (we don't use delivery tables

> > just precip packs for deliveries) and will pack and bag

> > your placenta for pathology if you leave a requisition

> >

>

> ...are your materniy services reps a unit assitant/nursing type person

> or from environmental services? Just curious.......Lori

[Guest guest]

Regarding iridologist insights:

Isn't it reasonable to suspect that someone else with similar problems

has told them these things ?

C

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:01:41 -0800 (PST) Caroline Hull

writes:

but then how do they know the things we know without telling them our

problems first. They must have some credibility in

their statements.

[Guest guest]

Wow, you are freaking

me out because I have had so many experiences like this and hesitate to talk

about them unless others are, since most people have thought I was nuts when I

have talked about these things.

I often know who is on

the phone when it rings, or before it rings I know it will ring and who it will

be. If I’m thinking about something

else when I pick it up, I’ll say “Hello (name here” and

really make them crazy because I don’t have caller ID. I’ve had arguments over whether I

have caller ID.

As a child I used to ‘see’

things before I came across them, as mentioned, and even entire events

happen, and was so confused when they actually did happen – I thought I

was crazy really - mostly in recurring dreams days or weeks before they

happened - but as I grew older that stopped. When this was happening, I decided that

when I had a bad dream I would tell somebody about it because I noticed none of

the dreams I talked about would happen IRL.

As an adult, I usually

don’t know anything specific is going to happen, but usually do know who

it will happen to. It usually only

happens with people in my family, but also some e-friends. Once in a while it is a general feeling

instead of about a specific person.

As a matter of fact I’ve

been trying to get in touch with an e-friend for a few days because of this ‘feeling’

and haven’t been able to.

Last time I had this feeling she had a very serious meltdown and hurt

herself, and this time it was stronger and I’m pretty nervous. The feeling has passed now and I’m

hoping to hear that she is ok soon.

Every time it happens with another e-friend, it is almost the exact time

she is admitted into a hospital.

Wendi

[Guest guest]

There might be something to AMs being a bit more sensitive then others. First though, I tend to spend much of the day in a sort of meditation. It is usually accompanied by stimming and it allows me to visualize things very clearly, which helps in the writing. I'll just list another couple of odd experiences too.

There was this old house near my late grandmother's house in Northern Virginia. The family has lived in this area since the 1640s, though I don't know if this house was one any of our line lived in. I was about 14 or 15 and was looking through the house, which was in bad shape in parts because a tree had damaged the roof. As I was walking around on the first floor, I saw something move in the corner of my vision, like a person trying to get behind me. I turned and brought up my rifle, but there was noone there, just a really creepy and slightly hostile feeling. Going back out in the hall, it got worse and I had a real feeling that something was at the top of the stairs, though I saw nothing. I made a hurried exit out the front door and after about 20 yards I looked back. I know I saw a slightly darker patch in the shadows of the doorway. That night, I woke up and felt that same feeling only very intense. I never saw anything but I swear it was in the room with me. I said, "in the name of God, thee gone." and the feeling went away. About a year later I went back to the house with a friend of mine. I felt a little creepy and even he noticed something, though I had not told him about the ghost yet. I said, "its ok, we're just here to look at the architecture of the house. We aren't going to damage anything." With that, the feelings stop and even changed to something akin to welcome. Again, even my friend noticed. Sadly, this house was burned down about 3 years after this. I guess that stuck up Washington Bureacrat who lives in the family's old house must have gone in there.

I once went into a house here in sburg that belongs to a friend of a friend. As soon as I walked through the door, I had this really uncomfortable feeling. It almost felt like the focus was up on the landing around the top of the stairs. I mentioned that I had the creeps and the owner told me that his mother had died up there at the top of the stairs. I was not the only one whoh had seen her as appearantly many cleaning ladies had been run out of the house by the ghost. On later visits I had no problem.

There is a house in Selma Alabama that had been a Confederate officer's hospital during the Civil War. The house is supposed to be haunted by a Colonel, I think that is the right rating. Since this house was now a museum and was near where my father lived at the time, I visited it a couple of times. After talking to the guide for a while about the history of the building and the ghost, I turned to leave and was walking toward the front door. As I approached, the latch clicked and the door opened about an inch. There were some tourists outside, but they were not yet up on the porch. The guide noticed (she previously had said that the ghost would sometimes do odd things) and looked a little surprised by laughed. I said, "thank you, sir." and walked out passed the tourist. They were looking at me funny, then looked around the door for who opened it. Not seeing anyone, I heard the guide say it was the ghost of the house, I didn't catch their reaction however.

I once went to a church for a wedding. It isn't really one I wanted to go to since it was for a former childhood friend how ended up making my teen years miserable, but that's another post. Everything was going ok until I crossed the threshold of that church. I stepped inside and felt decidely unwanted. This was really strange since I went to a Baptist affiliated boarding school for 5 years and had chapel 3 times per week and never had any problem. It calmed down after a while, but I was glad to leave after the service. The only thing I can think of was that this church had some "funny ideas" and perhaps it was the sense of the place or perhaps the entity trying to lead the flock astray didn't like my being there. Not saying I'm a saint by any stretch of the imagination, but perhaps it could have percieved me as a threat.

In high school, I had a dream several times about this house in the woods that when I approached, a man came out and shot me. In North Carolina I was at a friend's grandparent's place and we were out in the woods. We came to a small clearing with that same house on the opposite edge. Needless to say, I wouldn't even leave the treeline and told my friend not to either. We never saw anyone n or around the house, but then we also didin't stay very long either.

I'll post some more later.

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Tom:

> In Biblical times, I'm betting that autistics were regarded as

possessed by demons. Many of the characteristics fully autistic

people have more likely than not would have been considered

attributable to possession. Many mutter repretitively (speak in

tongues), have tics and odd movements, many have certain " extra-

sensory abilities (AS people on AI have stated that certain letters

have different colors, and so on),

Synestesia is not really an extra-sensory ability, though. But many of us

have other ESPs.

> many can perform inexplicable " miracles " (think Rainman, where a box of

toothpicks falls to the floor and Rainman instantly sees and knows how many

have fallen out of the box), and the savant skills many possess may

also be considered " Godly " (the ability to hear a tune once and play it note

for note on a piano, or the ability to remember all the events that happened

in a day if you name a date.)

> It's quite possible that while Christians would have seen an autistic

person as being possessed by demons, a non-Christian might have seen an

autistic individual as being " in communion with the Gods. " If I were a

primitive and superstitious person, I would see the non-Christian

perspective as being more valid. Autistic people, as far as I know, do not

display hosility or overt antagonism toward any person or creature unless

provoked or in self-defense, whereas a demon's agenda would be to deceive,

corrupt, cause great pain, and hurt people.

You forget the " divine fools " (not sure of the correct English translation)

of Russia, where the simple-minded were thought to be closer to God in their

innocence. In some sense I agree with this, especially when I meet people

with Down Syndrome and autism. Like animals, they often have a purity of

spirit that is rare to find among other humans.

> Now, from a modern day Christian persepctive, I was taught by my

pastors that some humans do indeed possess powers given to them by

God, but others possess powers given to them by Satan, and so, upon

witnessing someone professing to be able to heal someone, or predict

the future, or whatnot, it is the Christian's duty to question where

that power is coming from, or question the displayed abilities

themselves. Best would be to steer clear of them.

From my neo-Pythagorean metaphysical studies, I would say that they may come

from a higher, purer sourse or from lower less reliable, depending on the

person's moral development, which in turn determines which " frequencies of

existence " one can access. The spiritual maturity of a person always shows

itself in how any extra-sensory powers or other gifts are USED; to help,

console, enlighten and empower without asking anything in return simply

because it is a true joy to do so, or for personal gain.

> From a practical standpoint, I do believe that all individuals

possess certain abilities that cannot be adequately defined and

categorized.

Yes. I belive we all have these abilities latent in or minds, and that they

will be awakened in us when we have reached enough spiritual maturity to use

them wisely. Some can be artificially induced by for example electromagnetic

stimulation of certain regions in the brain, entrainment by light and sound,

advanced yoga/breathing exercises, hallucinogenic drugs and special

training. I would personally advice against that though. Better to work at

developing one's moral character and have them come naturally that way. This

will ensure both a better quality (accessing a higher source) and a wiser

use of them.

> And I also believe that certain individuals might have abilities that are

more prominant than others simply because of how their minds are structured.

Autistic people and Asperger Syndrome people have physiolocial differences

in their brains in comparrison with NTs. Our behaviors, consequently differ

markedly and noticeably. Is it too much to extrapolate and say that

Autistic

people and those lying on the autistic spectrum MIGHT consequently have

exceptional " extra-sensory " abilities?

From numerous discussions on this subject with other atypical people (AS,

TS, ADHD etc), I have found that surprisingly many have gifts and

experiences out of the ordinary.

Among the hypersensitive type, such as myself, it is not unusual to be

highly intuitive, receptive, creative and empathic. According to Marcy

Calhoun, hypersensitivity is often the beginning stages of ESP abilities.

http://www.netstoreusa.com/phbooks/093/0931892104.shtml

On this page http://www.drjoechampion.com/ used to be the results of a poll

showing autistic children to have more ESP abilities than NT controls.

And an ADHD friend of mine, Redstar, who is a personal friend of the people

in the original Stargate group (whom CIA trained to do Remote Viewing) says

they have found that ADHD-ers often have brains which are more easily

trained in this type of ESP ability. (This is classified info, so don't

spread it ouside this list.)

I suspect this would be the same for autistic brains. This is due to our

brains more often functioning in the Alpha/Theta range known as the Shumann

Resonance, which normal people access only for brief seconds upon falling

asleep and waking up. This could easily explain the dazedness, hyperfocus

(=light trance) and poor sense of time which many autistics and ADDers

experience. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/schumann.html

I feel like being in continuous meditation myself, although I avoid

meditating and do my best to stay focused on this physical plane.

An autistic online friend of mine said that upon measuring, his brainwaves

were the same as those of people who have been meditating for 20 years,

although he had done nothing of the sort. He too has ESPs.

Another autistic friend can dowse for water, and seems to have inherited

this ability from his grandma (if i remember correctly).

Being able to instinctively understand animals also seems to be more common

among autistics and ADHD-ers.

I have earlier mentioned my ability to percieve people's vibes from their

photograps, and to a lesser degree from their words. I have had many unusual

experiences, including visions and telepathy.

> My stomach always ties up in a knot they day before a relative dies,

and I usually don't find out about the death until the following day.

This, like your earthquake and meteor experiences, is an example of

precognition.

Here are some of mine:

1. When I was a kid, I went with my grandparents to some sort of meeting

where they had a book raffle. As they started reading out the numbers, all

of a sudden I just knew clear as clear that my number would be up. And it

was! Unfortunately the book was an old boring one, but I was so excited

nonetheless. Have had the same feeling at auctions too, where I'd just know

in advance that I would get something for a certain price.

2. When i was a teenager, I used to have these very vivid dreams of the Old

Town of Stockholm. Usually it would involve an old shop of some kind. And

they felt special somehow, not just like ordinary dreams. In my 20's I

suddenly developed antiques as a special interest and read all the books I

could find in the library, but without ever having any plans for this

leading anywhere. I already had a job I was quite content with. And then

only a few years later I met my husband who was an antiques dealer in the

Old Town, had both a shop and an apartment there - and an extra facility in

the same house that he didn't know what to do with. He practically begged me

to open my own lower range shop there, and gave me all the help I needed to

do it. So then I ended up living in Old Town and running an old shop there

too. How is that for coincidence?

3. I then started dreaming of the house I grew up in. Again, the same

recurring vivid dreams with that very special feeling to them. Never thought

they would lead to anything either. But a few years later after I had left

my husband, I had to sell the apartment i had bought because I couldn't

afford the morgages on it. And so I had nowhere to live. But at that precise

time, my grandmother who lived in the house I grew up in had recently died,

and my aunt from N.J. who now owned it, asked me to please move in, rent

free, just to keep it in shape for her since she only came to Sweden a few

weeks

a year. And so I ended up living there for 5 years. (And renovating it for

her

as thanks.) Soon as I moved in, my dreams stopped.

4. Once I dreamed that I was in a car and got attacked by a dog that was

trying to get in. The very next day I'm going with my mother to buy a

bathtub. And what happens when I open the car door? A German shepherd

jumps right on me and bites me in the leg! That was really spooky!

5. A couple of years ago, I dreamed that I was listening to a conversation

by president Clinton and that a little boy came in and started throwing

green apples at me. I wake up and start zapping on the TV. First channel I

turn on is president Clinton, and when I quickly changed channel again,

there is a film about a boy throwing green apples at someone!

6. When I was younger, my favourite artist was Yves Tanguy. Not many of

his paintings around. Most have never heard of him. Anyway, I go in to this

second hand bookstore and just look around for nothing in particular. See a

bunch of art books stacked in a box. Think of Yves Tanguy then and just grab

one about modern art and flip it open at random. And guess what? Yes, the

page i opened had a painting by Tanguy! Probably the only one in the whole

shop.

7. Once I was sitting on the subway train on my way home from work. I was

really tired and just wanted to get home. All of a sudden I get this really

strong feeling that I should get off and walk around town instead. And I

don't

even like that particular station at all. So I get off anyway and start

strolling along. Walk past a sort of movie-theatre mall. Start thinking: "

hmm, maybe I should go to a movie? " Weird because I really don't like going

to movies.

Prefer to snuggle at home with a video. So I go get a paper anyway to see

what's on. Only thing that caught my eye was " Dead poet's society " that I'd

heard people talking about. But I'd already missed 10 minutes or so, so I

decide against it and go home. Utterly annoyed with myself for having wasted

my time, and bewildered as to what might have possessed me to do so.

Next day my best friend at that time calls me up and said she was at the

movies last night and really wished I could have been there with her, but

that she just missed me at work. So I said " what did you see then? " " Dead

poet's society " ! And at that precise cinema mall that I passed by.

8. Another time something similar happened. I was going to an auction, and

after I got what I wanted, I thought I'd go to this market too, and on the

way there I happened to pass by my another friend's house. We had not agreed

on meeting though, so I didn't want to just show up. But as I kept going

past her house, it started to feel all wrong so I just had to turn the car

around and go back. So there I am ringing on her door, wondering if she'll

be pissed off for me just dropping by like that (we weren't that close

then). But she's all smiles and says " O, so you got my message then? " What

message? " The message I left on you answering machine that I so missed you

and wished you could come over today " ! And I'm like: " But I haven't been

home, I've been at an auction all day, I just happened to drive by your

house. "

She and I now have come so close that she need only think " it would be nice

to talk to Inger today " and I will invariably get a sudden urge to call her

(she can't call me since I never have my phone plugged in). We have become

so used to this that it feels like the normal thing to us.

Here is a " psychic IQ " test.

http://www.psychics.co.uk/psychictests/psychiciq.html A rather poor one as

the person who designed it obviosly doesn't know enough of the subject to

distinguish between Remote Viewing and the human magnetic sense of

direction. http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s148725.htm Or between

scrying and the brain's normal tendency to form recognisable images in

random patterns. But at least it is based on scientific studies.

Inger

[Guest guest]

Over the years, I have heard NFP teachers make the statement

that the pre-ejaculatory fluid of the male contains sperm, and pregnancy can

result from genital contact, without penetration or ejaculation. We responded

to a question on our Ask the Experts section of our website with this

information, and were challenged. In my attempt to respond to the challenge, I began

researching evidence for the statement, but have been very surprised because, so

far, I have not been able to find any scientific evidence to substantiate this statement.

In fact, the only evidence I am finding are anecdotes by teachers.

What little info I am finding seems to actually refute the

claim, indicating pregnancy would not occur just from pre-ejaculatory fluid.

Does anyone have info on this (other than anecdotal---I know

we all have those stories from clients). What do you all teach on this issue???

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family

Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

[Guest guest]

The link below (on Pub Med) is one that

shows, while very low numbers, that some sperm are present in some ejaculate:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=12286905 & query_hl=1 & itool=pubmed_docsum

, MD

Residency Dir

Shenandoah Valley FPR

Front Royal, VA

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Sheila St.

Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006

10:27 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject:

question

Over the years, I have heard NFP teachers make the statement

that the pre-ejaculatory fluid of the male contains sperm, and pregnancy can

result from genital contact, without penetration or ejaculation. We responded

to a question on our Ask the Experts section of our website with this

information, and were challenged. In my attempt to respond to the challenge, I

began researching evidence for the statement, but have been very surprised

because, so far, I have not been able to find any scientific evidence to

substantiate this statement. In fact, the only evidence I am finding are

anecdotes by teachers.

What little info I am finding seems to actually refute the

claim, indicating pregnancy would not occur just from pre-ejaculatory fluid.

Does anyone have info on this (other than anecdotal---I know

we all have those stories from clients). What do you all teach on this issue???

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association

of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

Someone posted an abstract on this topic at the end of August:

Zukerman Z, Weiss DB, Orvieto R., "Does preejaculatory penile secretion originating from Cowper's gland contain sperm?" J Assist Reprod Genet. 2003 Apr:20(4):157-9.

The research was done by the Dept. of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Rabin Medical Center, Petah Tikva, Israel. Their conclusion was:

"Preejaculatory fluid secreted at the tip of the urethra from Cowper's gland during sexual sti8mulation did not contain sperm and therefore cannot be responsible for pregnancies during coitus interruptus."

Bower

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Sheila St. Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:01 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: question

Over the years, I have heard NFP teachers make the statement that the pre-ejaculatory fluid of the male contains sperm, and pregnancy can result from genital contact, without penetration or ejaculation. We responded to a question on our Ask the Experts section of our website with this information, and were challenged. In my attempt to respond to the challenge, I began researching evidence for the statement, but have been very surprised because, so far, I have not been able to find any scientific evidence to substantiate this statement. In fact, the only evidence I am finding are anecdotes by teachers.

What little info I am finding seems to actually refute the claim, indicating pregnancy would not occur just from pre-ejaculatory fluid.

Does anyone have info on this (other than anecdotal---I know we all have those stories from clients). What do you all teach on this issue???

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org