Re: Re: Hyper??? Help PLEASE.

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Thanks for your reply. In the past two years I've either been on straight cytomel or Armour only. Armour was awful for me. One doctor muscle tested me and told me I was allergic to it. I didn't believe him and thought he was practicing voodoo. Turns out he was right. I felt so bad on Armour I didn't care if I lived or died. Another doc was going to put me on timed released t-3 (another failure) so I missed two days of Armour and couldn't believe the difference in how I felt. The 15 mcg of timed released t-3 gave me instant insomnia. So far today, and it's almost 11:00 PM, no palps but I haven't gone to bed yet! I am not going to take the benadryl even if I can't sleep. I agree that if the palps continue maybe it's the levoxyl that needs to be reduced. What dose are you on? I have gained 5 pounds in three weeks on the levoxyl/cytomel. I'm waiting to hear from my doctor.

Thanks again,

Dee

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Since I'm highly allergic to so many different things, I'm really thinking

that some of the fillers in some thyroid meds could be the problem for some

people. Some allergic reactions are very strange in some people, like

palpitations, restlessness, nervousness. It's really hard to be sure. I am

allergic to the acacia in the Synthroid, and it is in many more T4 meds and

in vitamin supps too. Povidone is a common one for a lot of people, and it

is an ingredient in many meds. Everyone has their own unique allergies,

though. Anyway, I really think that allergy to fillers can be a hidden

factor for some people.

Tx

Re: Hyper??? Help PLEASE.

> I take 10 mcg of Cytomel with 88 mcg of Levoxyl.. I thought that

> the Cytomel was on the low side. I don't know, the stuff has

> become almost like water for me.. I don't think it's helping at all...

> until I stop taking it, then I feel awful.

>

> Dee -- why did you switch from Armour, just curious? How long

> have you been taking thyroid supps? I have only ever taken

> Levoxyl, recently added Cytomel... I think the palps could be due

> to you being hyper but my worst palps were when I was

> technically hypo... so it could even be the meds... OR if you are

> new to thyroid supps, it can take a long while for your body to get

> used to them. I had horrible nighttime palps and nervousness

> for several months when I first started Levoxyl and had to take

> Ativan to sleep. Hopefully you are not new to thyroid meds and

> have to go through that adjustment... here are some other tips...

> First, do NOT take any of your meds in the evening. Finish them

> by mid-afternoon ideally. Second, Sheila is right, Benedryl

> makes the palps worse and is not indicated for thyroid patients...

> it may calm you at first but usually has a boomerang effect. I

> would definitely try lowering your dosage... of the Levoxyl too. Call

> your doc to consult. If the lowered dosage doesn't help or you

> start having hypo symptoms again (this is me -- palps, 15 lb.

> weight gain, tired), consider trying a different med. I'm probably

> going to try Armour soon... my palps don't keep me up any more

> but clearly something in my thyroid regimen needs improved.

> Take care and keep us posted -

>

>

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You know what amazes me? The fact that that thyroid med has been around for

around 100 yrs, and this company has not pushed it's sale during the last 2

decades. Yet, there are literally millions of people taking it, saying that

it makes them feel better than they every did on T4-only drugs, which are

really only a recent advent, in what, the last 20 or so yrs? There's got to

be a reason for that. Forrest doesn't even have to push the sale of it.

The proof is in the puddin'. I do know that a few people have said that

they didn't feel good on Armour, but it so rare to hear this. I'm not all

the way " there " yet, by any means, but one thing I know, is that that

terrible aching and stiffness that I used to have on rising from bed is

gone. I AM sleeping better (when there's not a ton of noise around me; you

know, all the standard things that would normally keep a person awake), my

feet don't ache the way they used to, and my sinus problems have improved, I

think, not due to the Armour, but rather to excluding the T4 med. I stopped

the levoxyl about 3 wks ago, and, once again, the sinus problems have

improved (I think it's allergy to different fillers that I can't quite

determine). I gradually increased my Armour from the 45 mgs I was taking up

to 90 mgs, and there is where I'm staying for awhile. I have more of a

tendency to have the palpitations with hypo, when the heart beat is entirely

too slow.

Tx

Re: Hyper??? Help PLEASE.

> -

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> You may be right-it's just so hard because everyone is different.

>

> I said the same thing about Armour (that it was like water), but now

> I'm thinking about trying it again, but with a t4. The ratio of the

> t3/t4 in Armour is higher than what I'm taking now. So, if I took a

> dose that had equal t3 (7 1/2 mcgs) and added some t4 I could

> potentially have the same dose/ratio that I have now. The added

> benefit would be getting the t1, t2 or whatever the other Thyroid

> hormornes that are in the Armour.

>

> Take care,

> Miaja**

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Hi and all

I just came back from a long week-end at the beach. Chilly and windy

but soooo fascinating, sunsets on the sea, fireplace and all.

I have an almost chronic iron deficiency. Have been having it for

nearly ten years. Don't know whether it's related to my Hashi (it was

diagnosed only two years ago) but I would like to know more about it.

My iron level goes close to normal if I get treated but as soon as I

stop taking my iron drops it sinks dramatically. And of course my

ferritin is always below the normal. It's true, , I got heart

palps when I was severely lacking iron. And I got them when I was hypo

too...heart palps are a bitch, it seems that I get them more easily

when I'm hypo than hyper. They stopped when I quitted the Synthroid to

try a combo that gave me also t3. My general state (except the iron

lol) improved a lot so if I were you I would decrease the T4 you're

taking to add some T3. It can give heart palps too in some cases but

you get them right away, alas two - three hours after having assumed

the medication.

Let me know how it goes on... And remember there is always the

cure..we just have to be patient and try, try, try.

Ciao

Carla

Lunedì, 2 feb 2004, alle 18:21 Europe/Rome, loboshe ha scritto:

> Hi . Yes, Ferritin refers to your storage iron. And for some

> reason, it can be low in thyroid patients! And I have no

> documentation yet to explain this. I just see it on my natural

> thyroid site. And when it's low, it can affect your body's reaction

> to thyroid hormones. Plus, a low Ferritin can mimic hypothyroid---

> low grade depression, achiness, easy fatigue, hair loss. It's

> crucial when you have thyroid disease to get your Ferritin tested,

> and corrected, which can take months.

>

> Janie

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> > Janie, when you can, will you post more on Ferritin?? I hadn't

> > heard of that before (just did a quick google on it -- an iron

> > storage protein?) or about the connection with palps.. would be

> > interested to know more... thanks!

> >

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> *Note: Information is freely exchanged on this board based on patient

> experiences, and should not be considered a medical recommendation.

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Carla, do you eat red meat?

Tx

Re: Re: Hyper??? Help PLEASE.

Hi and allI just came back from a long week-end at the beach. Chilly and windy but soooo fascinating, sunsets on the sea, fireplace and all. I have an almost chronic iron deficiency. Have been having it for nearly ten years. Don't know whether it's related to my Hashi (it was diagnosed only two years ago) but I would like to know more about it. My iron level goes close to normal if I get treated but as soon as I stop taking my iron drops it sinks dramatically. And of course my ferritin is always below the normal. It's true, , I got heart palps when I was severely lacking iron. And I got them when I was hypo too...heart palps are a bitch, it seems that I get them more easily when I'm hypo than hyper. They stopped when I quitted the Synthroid to try a combo that gave me also t3. My general state (except the iron lol) improved a lot so if I were you I would decrease the T4 you're taking to add some T3. It can give heart palps too in some cases but you get them right away, alas two - three hours after having assumed the medication. Let me know how it goes on... And remember there is always the cure..we just have to be patient and try, try, try.CiaoCarlaLunedì, 2 feb 2004, alle 18:21 Europe/Rome, loboshe ha scritto:

Hi . Yes, Ferritin refers to your storage iron. And for somereason, it can be low in thyroid patients! And I have nodocumentation yet to explain this. I just see it on my naturalthyroid site. And when it's low, it can affect your body's reactionto thyroid hormones. Plus, a low Ferritin can mimic hypothyroid---low grade depression, achiness, easy fatigue, hair loss. It'scrucial when you have thyroid disease to get your Ferritin tested,and corrected, which can take months.Janie