Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Activated charcoal either gooed on instantly with water or made into a poultice with something like psyllium seed husk will pull the toxin rapidly and you may not even have redness or any pain. Takes no time at all if you have the psyllium seed husk and charcoal in your kitchen cabinet. However, the trick is to get it on instantly. This is same stuff given to any kid brought into emergency and they have no idea what he or she may have ingested. They immediately drench with activated charcoal. Will also work on any infection from open wound. It is a good drench to be taken few times a month as standard maintenance. Harvey in Houston > That's interesting DB, that they both bite and sting. I have noticed > that some > fire ants bites raise a pustule and some do not. If it was not for the > fact that > Fire Ants have eliminated ticks in our area I would bear them a great deal > of ill will. > > I've seen persistent infections from fire ants when my mother, who was > in her late 70's, got bit on her foot. The area of inflammation and > infection > persisted for over a month until I gave her some Tea Tree Oil to put on it. > Her doctor just blew it off and told her it was just slow to heal. First > time she > had ever asked me for a remedy. Her standard Neopsorin was not enough > but the Tee Tree cleared it up within a week. > > My immediate response is household ammonia which neutralizes the acid in the > sting. Works really well for scorpions which we have in abundance in central > Texas. And they manage to show up in the most unusual places so often > surprise you when you are sleeping or when you pull on your jeans in the > morning. Ammonia works on chiggers too, kills the little buggers, may take > two applications 12 hours apart. > > It's been years since I've been stung by anything. The last one was a red > wasp on the back of my thigh, and that one left a small crater so there was > tissue necrosis. Burned like heck for a good long time, I sat on him so he > must have given me a good load of venom. It swelled and hurt for several > days, like a bruise. Worst wasp sting I ever had. > > I have used Lavendar oil that I carried with me when away from > home. That actually worked pretty well on a wasp sting, not sure if it was a > yellow jacket as we were in the car and it was a hit and run from hanging > an arm out the window. > > Garnet > > > > ransley@... wrote: > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need to know >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to see >> just >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. >> >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the same time! >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not only >> that, >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. They do >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's exactly >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, and do it >> all over again. >> >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a white head >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the bite. I >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not the >> stings. >> >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet they >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they have >> one of >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost >> anything >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. >> >> DaddyBob >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Home Page: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > Books: > DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton > MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton, NDYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Hi DaddyBob, You make a good point about yellow jackets. As a beekeeper, I always tried to be specific: not everything that buzzes and stings is a honeybee, yet people lump them all together. Wasp and yellow jacket stings are worse and the fiends don't rip their own abdomens out in the process like honey bees, so they can go on to sting multiple times. Unless they've been Africanized, most honeybees have no desire to suicide/sting, unless they're defending their hive, someone is giving off an extreme fear pheromones, or is seriously agitating the environment. A honeybee once investigated my husband's ear. It was scary, but I talked him through it and she eventually decided he wasn't a flower and backed out without incident. I used to take beekeeping paraphernalia, and a jar full of drones to my sons' elementary school. I'd tell them that without bees, within two years we'd have no beef, as the bees pollinate the feed crops. They learned about queens, workers, nurse, and guard bees, and the grand finale would be the release of the drones, which are big and scary but completely stingless. I hope a portion at least of that generation grew up with a kindly attitude toward honey bees. Be well, Léna > You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need > to know > this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to > see just > why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. > > Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the > same time! > They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not > only that, > but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. > They do > not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's > exactly > what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, > and do it > all over again. > > Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a > white head > pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the > bite. I > personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not > the stings. > > I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet > they > infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they > have one of > the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost > anything > that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. > > DaddyBob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Lena: You will know. I presently have big bad looking carpenter bees at work on my garage door drilling holes that look like I have used an electric drill to make them (nice and round). You can put your ear up to door while they work and hear them tearing out chunks of wood that are very large in shaving size and, if a man had this kind of strength, he would make the incredible hulk look like a wimp. It takes tremendous power to rip out a chunk of wood the size of their shavings. Question, Carpenters are about size of bumble bee. Are they good pollinators and where do they " hang out " when they are not drilling my door as I only see them around a few weeks at most in the Spring in Houston. They are not aggressive at all as I can walk directly into them and they will back up and go around kinda like " excuse me " . Harvey in Houston > Hi DaddyBob, > > You make a good point about yellow jackets. > > As a beekeeper, I always tried to be specific: not everything that > buzzes and stings is a honeybee, yet people lump them all together. > Wasp and yellow jacket stings are worse and the fiends don't rip > their own abdomens out in the process like honey bees, so they can go > on to sting multiple times. > > Unless they've been Africanized, most honeybees have no desire to > suicide/sting, unless they're defending their hive, someone is giving > off an extreme fear pheromones, or is seriously agitating the > environment. A honeybee once investigated my husband's ear. It was > scary, but I talked him through it and she eventually decided he > wasn't a flower and backed out without incident. > > I used to take beekeeping paraphernalia, and a jar full of drones to > my sons' elementary school. I'd tell them that without bees, within > two years we'd have no beef, as the bees pollinate the feed crops. > They learned about queens, workers, nurse, and guard bees, and the > grand finale would be the release of the drones, which are big and > scary but completely stingless. I hope a portion at least of that > generation grew up with a kindly attitude toward honey bees. > > Be well, > Léna > > > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need >> to know >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to >> see just >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. >> >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the >> same time! >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not >> only that, >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. >> They do >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's >> exactly >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, >> and do it >> all over again. >> >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a >> white head >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the >> bite. I >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not >> the stings. >> >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet >> they >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they >> have one of >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost >> anything >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. >> >> DaddyBob >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Hi Harvey, I live in the north, so am not familiar with carpenter bees. If you contact Cornell University, they have some expert apiologists there who could probably tell you everything you'd like to know. We watch paper wasps gather wood fibers from our teak deck table to make their nests, but these sound like some kind of borer. We've been called to remove 'honey bees' who have turned out to be bumbles, and they definitely don't produce the honey that would make our removal worth the effort for us. Generally, removing bees from the walls of a house is a heart-breaking ordeal. If you watch your guys and see them work the flowers, then you know they're pollinators of some sort. Or, they might not even be in the vespid family at all. There are some insects that look like big bees that aren't. Are yours in any sort of colony that you can see? Then you have to decide whether their service to nature is worth the problems they're causing you. If they're a stinging kind of insect, you can even call people who collect vespid colonies for the anti-venin industry.(google this) Each year, they get a list of what labs are looking for, then they go out wearing bee gear at night when the colony is sleeping, frost them with CO2, bag them, put them in the deep freeze, and then send them off with dry ice. Hope this helps, Be well, Léna > Lena: > > You will know. > > I presently have big bad looking carpenter bees at work on my garage > door drilling holes that look like I have used an electric drill to > make > them (nice and round). You can put your ear up to door while they work > and hear them tearing out chunks of wood that are very large in > shaving > size and, if a man had this kind of strength, he would make the > incredible hulk look like a wimp. It takes tremendous power to rip out > a chunk of wood the size of their shavings. > > Question, Carpenters are about size of bumble bee. Are they good > pollinators and where do they " hang out " when they are not drilling my > door as I only see them around a few weeks at most in the Spring in > Houston. They are not aggressive at all as I can walk directly into > them and they will back up and go around kinda like " excuse me " . > > Harvey in Houston > > > > Hi DaddyBob, > > > > You make a good point about yellow jackets. > > > > As a beekeeper, I always tried to be specific: not everything that > > buzzes and stings is a honeybee, yet people lump them all together. > > Wasp and yellow jacket stings are worse and the fiends don't rip > > their own abdomens out in the process like honey bees, so they > can go > > on to sting multiple times. > > > > Unless they've been Africanized, most honeybees have no desire to > > suicide/sting, unless they're defending their hive, someone is > giving > > off an extreme fear pheromones, or is seriously agitating the > > environment. A honeybee once investigated my husband's ear. It was > > scary, but I talked him through it and she eventually decided he > > wasn't a flower and backed out without incident. > > > > I used to take beekeeping paraphernalia, and a jar full of drones to > > my sons' elementary school. I'd tell them that without bees, within > > two years we'd have no beef, as the bees pollinate the feed crops. > > They learned about queens, workers, nurse, and guard bees, and the > > grand finale would be the release of the drones, which are big and > > scary but completely stingless. I hope a portion at least of that > > generation grew up with a kindly attitude toward honey bees. > > > > Be well, > > Léna > > > > > > > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need > >> to know > >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to > >> see just > >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. > >> > >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the > >> same time! > >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not > >> only that, > >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. > >> They do > >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's > >> exactly > >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, > >> and do it > >> all over again. > >> > >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a > >> white head > >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the > >> bite. I > >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not > >> the stings. > >> > >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet > >> they > >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they > >> have one of > >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost > >> anything > >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma > fire. > >> > >> DaddyBob > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 You know, you don't want them in your house. The holes they make let in moisture and start the wood rotting. A friend makes a spray with clove oil and says it keeps them away for about a year. Sorry I don't know the recipe, but she said clove oil kills bugs on contact and the smell of it repels them for a long time. > > > > > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need > >> to know > >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to > >> see just > >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. > >> > >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the > >> same time! > >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not > >> only that, > >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. > >> They do > >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's > >> exactly > >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, > >> and do it > >> all over again. > >> > >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a > >> white head > >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the > >> bite. I > >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not > >> the stings. > >> > >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet > >> they > >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they > >> have one of > >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost > >> anything > >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. > >> > >> DaddyBob > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Clove essential oil and Cinnamon bark essential oil are both great for deterringmany types of insects, pests, or whatnots. I use a mixture of either vodka or rubbing alcohol & a little water as a carrier for the E.O. and spray anywhere where I want to discourage them from gathering. Lyne ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 6:34:56 PM Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets You know, you don't want them in your house. The holes they make let in moisture and start the wood rotting. A friend makes a spray with clove oil and says it keeps them away for about a year. Sorry I don't know the recipe, but she said clove oil kills bugs on contact and the smell of it repels them for a long time. > > > > > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need > >> to know > >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to > >> see just > >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. > >> > >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the > >> same time! > >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not > >> only that, > >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. > >> They do > >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's > >> exactly > >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, > >> and do it > >> all over again. > >> > >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a > >> white head > >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the > >> bite. I > >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not > >> the stings. > >> > >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet > >> they > >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they > >> have one of > >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost > >> anything > >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. > >> > >> DaddyBob > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 There are two kinds od CLOVE OIL :Â CLOVE BUD OILÂ AND CLOVE LEAF OIL, Â WHICH ONE YOU USE. Iva Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:38 PM Â Clove essential oil and Cinnamon bark essential oil are both great for deterringmany types of insects, pests, or whatnots. I use a mixture of either vodka or rubbing alcohol & a little water as a carrier for the E.O. and spray anywhere where I want to discourage them from gathering. Lyne ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 6:34:56 PM Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets You know, you don't want them in your house. The holes they make let in moisture and start the wood rotting. A friend makes a spray with clove oil and says it keeps them away for about a year. Sorry I don't know the recipe, but she said clove oil kills bugs on contact and the smell of it repels them for a long time. > > > > > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need > >> to know > >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to > >> see just > >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. > >> > >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the > >> same time! > >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not > >> only that, > >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. > >> They do > >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's > >> exactly > >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, > >> and do it > >> all over again. > >> > >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a > >> white head > >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the > >> bite. I > >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not > >> the stings. > >> > >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet > >> they > >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they > >> have one of > >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost > >> anything > >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. > >> > >> DaddyBob > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Since it's for bugs, whatever's cheapest. > > There are two kinds od CLOVE OIL : CLOVE BUD OIL AND CLOVE LEAF OIL, > WHICH ONE YOU USE. > Iva > > > > From: Pinki62 <pinkmartini62@... > <mailto:pinkmartini62%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:38 PM > > > > Clove essential oil and Cinnamon bark essential oil are both great for > deterringmany types of insects, pests, or whatnots. I use a mixture of > either vodka or rubbing alcohol & a little water as a carrier for the > E.O. and spray anywhere where I want to discourage them from gathering. > > Lyne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 I won't go as far as to say I like them, but I have not been bothered by them and I am out every day. We have all varieties here, paper, black, mud daubbers, etc. I never bother with their nests unless I am preparing to paint. In that case, I spray the day before and repeat that evening at dusk to get stragglers. No way I will risk an encounter while on a ladder 2 stories up. I also keep them from building nests around any doors just in case. One thing I do not like is yellowjackets. I will destroy any nest I find on the property. They are just plain mean and aggressive, not live and let live like the others I mentioned. I consider yellowjackets to be Tennessee Killer Bees. They are closest thing we have to killer bees and the temperament to match them. RE: Re: Yellow Jackets > I like wasps That did it----------I'm sending a shrink to visit you!!! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Here in Tennessee, the mud daubbers would just move in to the vicinity with their mud tubes. They are a reddish hue and quite big, but not aggressive. Just make your house trim messy looking with their mud tubes. Re: Re: Yellow Jackets I recently saw a decoy paper wasp nest made from cloth that you can hang where they've been known to colonize. They're territorial and won't build near it. Would be a good solution for doorways, porches, etc. Be well, Léna > wrote: > > I like wasps. I find them very tolerant. They build nests, > usually on our > > deck. > I like them too. If they are too close to the door, we remove the > nests, > but not until winter when they are empty. We have some that build > nests > under our deck, or did. but they haven't done so in the last couple of > years. There is wax and wane phenomenon going on with them here. I > figure when there are more, it is because they have more prey, and I > usually don't care much for the things they prey upon, so we leave > them > alone. > > We also have huge things that look like wasps, but they are a kind of > tree borer, can be 2 inches in length. Scary to look at. They do not > sting. We left some dead tree stumps for them. Perhaps some of the > woodpeckers that come here eat some of the grubs, not sure about that > because the grubs are deep in the center of the dead trunks. > > We also leave ants alone, supposedly ant nests along a house > foundation > keep termites away (the ants eat the termites?). > > So far nothing has tried to eat our house, LOL. Maybe because we leave > plenty of natural food for them in the yard? Or it could just be our > long cold winters............. > sol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Yes, we don't have the paper wasps but we have mud daubers. I love their little tubes. :-) but then I also marvel at the intricacies of the regular wasp nets. I have a paper wasp nest from back home and it's amazing the size and layers. Samala, -------Original Message------- Here in Tennessee, the mud daubbers would just move in to the vicinity with their mud tubes. They are a reddish hue and quite big, but not aggressive. Just make your house trim messy looking with their mud tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Hi , I once did an art piece with paper wasp paper, using polymer gel to flatten it and layer a background panel for a 3-d totem. It's very fragile and dissolves easily, but the gel really brought out the beautiful tones of grays and it felt just like working with gold leaf! Be well, Léna > Yes, we don't have the paper wasps but we have mud daubers. I love > their > little tubes. :-) but then I also marvel at the intricacies of the > regular > wasp nets. I have a paper wasp nest from back home and it's amazing > the > size and layers. > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > Here in Tennessee, the mud daubbers would just move in to the > vicinity with > their mud tubes. They are a reddish hue and quite big, but not > aggressive. > Just make your house trim messy looking with their mud tubes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Clove Bud ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:08:10 PM Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets There are two kinds od CLOVE OIL : CLOVE BUD OIL AND CLOVE LEAF OIL, WHICH ONE YOU USE. Iva Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:38 PM Clove essential oil and Cinnamon bark essential oil are both great for deterringmany types of insects, pests, or whatnots. I use a mixture of either vodka or rubbing alcohol & a little water as a carrier for the E.O. and spray anywhere where I want to discourage them from gathering. Lyne ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 6:34:56 PM Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets You know, you don't want them in your house. The holes they make let in moisture and start the wood rotting. A friend makes a spray with clove oil and says it keeps them away for about a year. Sorry I don't know the recipe, but she said clove oil kills bugs on contact and the smell of it repels them for a long time. > > > > > >> You folks who have had severe reactions to Yellow Jackets may need > >> to know > >> this. The last time I got buzz-bombed, I decided to investigate to > >> see just > >> why such a small insect delivers such a large punch. > >> > >> Both Yellow Jackets and Fire Ants bite you and sting you at the > >> same time! > >> They lock on with their mandibles and then proceed to sting. Not > >> only that, > >> but YJ's in particular will inject the stinger in several places. > >> They do > >> not lose their stinger, they are good to go repeatedly and that's > >> exactly > >> what they do. Then they will turn loose, crawl to another place, > >> and do it > >> all over again. > >> > >> Have you ever noticed how Fire Ant bites/stings will raise to a > >> white head > >> pimple? That's infection and you can bet it's bacteria from the > >> bite. I > >> personally think that those pimples are only from the bites, not > >> the stings. > >> > >> I have not seen that kind of reaction from a YJ attack but I'll bet > >> they > >> infect you with something when they bite. Aside from that, they > >> have one of > >> the more potent toxins in their stings. I'd rather be hit by almost > >> anything > >> that a Yellow Jacket. It's like getting an injection of plasma fire. > >> > >> DaddyBob > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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