Re: PLEASE SUPPORT DEFYING LIMITATIONS

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, a whole segment of our population lives in food

deserts, where corner stores are their only access, especially if

they don't have transportation. Sometimes these stores have produce,

but they're usually exorbitantly priced, while cheap, non-nutritive

prepared foods are in easy reach of a scant budget. Gone are the days

of milk wagons, produce wagons, etc. that plied their trade in poor

urban neighborhoods. I'm so grateful that I can drive to a

supermarket and natural food store, rather than shop in the

convenience store around the block. So many don't have this luxury.

Be well,

Léna

> Um, I hardly think switching sugars in a soda pop or changing the

> type of

> grease Mc's cooks their fries in would have anything to do

> with a

> healthier America. It's called--get up, exercise, grows some of

> your own

> food or if not possible at least cook your own wholesome food at

> home, where

> you know what goes into it, eat some type of raw veggies every day,

> drink

> good water. People just don't want to do what they need to do to get

> healthy. It's in everyone's budget and ability. They simply choose

> to eat

> at fast food joints and guzzle pop and eat junk food. Just because

> it's

> there doesn't mean you HAVE to eat it. No one is forcing anyone to

> do that.

> Yet. :-(

>

> samala,

>

> www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt

> Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps

> you get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> Now. If Mcs would just do the same thing, maybe we could

> recover America s former good health. At present we are a bunch of

> fat diabetic heart patients.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would have thought all grocery stores had at least a small veggie section.

Or if only a local corner store, then access by bus to a larger store. And

cooking at home has been supplanted with fast food simply because people don

t WANT to cook. There's still plenty of basic ingredients (even if not

actual raw veggies there is still canned veggies) that put together make a

much healthier meal than any you will buy an a fast food join.

Granted, some good restaurants have very healthy meals--but we are talking

junk food and fast food places. Sure, it's way easier to buy a bag of

potato chips--but at almost (if not sometimes more) than $3 for ONE bag of

chips, you can buy a 5 pound bag of potatoes for that. Large fries in any

fast food joint here is $2--probably equal to ONE potato that's been cut and

fried. So for the $3 bag of real potatoes they could make at least a dozen

of their own fries and save a bunch of money.

I've seen people on busses, with little pull carts, that they put their

groceries in, so that they CAN go and shop where there is live food.

It's very convenient to say " no food available that I can afford " but it is

surely much more expensive to eat out daily than to cook daily. I had

friends who couldn't pay their water bill, and would get their water shut

off, yet still have money to go to Mcs and eat, or the pizza joint, or

any of the many dozens of fast eateries, almost every single night, because

they didn't want to cook--or eat the type of foods they'd be eating at home.

They wanted the grease, salt and chemicals.

It becomes a matter of choice. How badly does a person want to be well? To

what extent are they willing to put themselves out to actually do something

about getting well?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Unfortunately, a whole segment of our population lives in food

deserts, where corner stores are their only access, especially if

they don't have transportation.

[Guest guest]

Many people. cannot cook at home. No matter what exercise you get, HFCS is

toxic. It is not just another sweetener. It is a FIVE carbon sugar. And

whether or not we COULD eat better, the fact is America DOES eat fast food and

if that fast food were more wholesome our country would be healthier. So many

young fathers have their children weekends only and take the kids to Mcs

for a Happy Meal . Santa Barbara California just passed an ordinance forbidding

restaurants from giving toys to children. The restaurants include the toy to

entice children to their unwholesome food.

Ann

>Um, I hardly think switching sugars in a soda pop or changing the type of

>grease Mc's cooks their fries in would have anything to do with a

>healthier America. It's called--get up, exercise, grows some of your own

>food or if not possible at least cook your own wholesome food at home, where

>you know what goes into it, eat some type of raw veggies every day, drink

>good water. People just don't want to do what they need to do to get

>healthy. It's in everyone's budget and ability. They simply choose to eat

>at fast food joints and guzzle pop and eat junk food. Just because it's

>there doesn't mean you HAVE to eat it. No one is forcing anyone to do that.

> Yet. :-(

>

>samala,

>

>www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt

>Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps

>you get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here

>

>-------Original Message-------

>

> Now. If Mcs would just do the same thing, maybe we could recover America

s former good health. At present we are a bunch of fat diabetic heart patients.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You make so many assumptions. What bus? Our nation is very spread out. We don

t all have buses. There is a Park and Ride here that will take you to Santa Fe

for $6. But I can t take it because the entrance step is so high I don t have

the strength to get on them. But it doesnt matter. People choose to eat fast

food whether or not they could eat something else. And what if they can get to

a grocery store but it is 35 mountain miles to a health food store (our

situation here in this one horse town)? It isn t right that even soda crackers

have HFCS in them. Nabisco is the only brand we have and it has it. Even

people that cook at home like to put crackers in their meatloaf. I do not

believe our nations health can be improved by telling people it is an individual

responsibility. Or maybe you don t realize the poor state of our health. 46

nations have greater longevity than the United States. And it is not because of

our screwed up health

insurance.

Ann

>I would have thought all grocery stores had at least a small veggie section.

> Or if only a local corner store, then access by bus to a larger store. And

>cooking at home has been supplanted with fast food simply because people don

>t WANT to cook. There's still plenty of basic ingredients (even if not

>actual raw veggies there is still canned veggies) that put together make a

>much healthier meal than any you will buy an a fast food join.

>

>Granted, some good restaurants have very healthy meals--but we are talking

>junk food and fast food places. Sure, it's way easier to buy a bag of

>potato chips--but at almost (if not sometimes more) than $3 for ONE bag of

>chips, you can buy a 5 pound bag of potatoes for that. Large fries in any

>fast food joint here is $2--probably equal to ONE potato that's been cut and

>fried. So for the $3 bag of real potatoes they could make at least a dozen

>of their own fries and save a bunch of money.

>

>I've seen people on busses, with little pull carts, that they put their

>groceries in, so that they CAN go and shop where there is live food.

>

>It's very convenient to say " no food available that I can afford " but it is

>surely much more expensive to eat out daily than to cook daily. I had

>friends who couldn't pay their water bill, and would get their water shut

>off, yet still have money to go to Mcs and eat, or the pizza joint, or

>any of the many dozens of fast eateries, almost every single night, because

>they didn't want to cook--or eat the type of foods they'd be eating at home.

> They wanted the grease, salt and chemicals.

>

>It becomes a matter of choice. How badly does a person want to be well? To

>what extent are they willing to put themselves out to actually do something

>about getting well?

>

>Samala,

>

>

>-------Original Message-------

> Unfortunately, a whole segment of our population lives in food

>deserts, where corner stores are their only access, especially if

>they don't have transportation.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann. Yes--we are certainly screwed up health wise and it IS due to food

more than health care itself--although that is horrendous. It is a crime

what food manufacturers put into the products.

I was talking in general about having access to grocery stores and food

choices. Your situation is not that common in comparison with the whole of

the united states, which we were talking about in a generalized manner. I'm

sure parts of the unpopulated west your situation is far more common than

the rest of the country. So yes--there are certain people where good food

and even decent simple whole food products are not available. But this is

not the reason so many Americans are overweight and unhealthy. Your

situation would constitute a small minority. I live outside of San

8th largest city in america--where there is handicap accessible

transportation, decent grocery stores usually within 5 miles of each other

and a fast food joint on every corner and one of the highest percentages of

diabetes in the US. Are these people eating healthy home cooked food or

eating out at junk food places? Statistics speak for themselves.

THAT is what I was referring to. I'm sorry that you felt I was talking

about every single person no matter their situation, in the whole of the

united states. I wasn't.

If we wanted to get that specific I could say that even apartment dwellers

can have window sill gardens. There are many books on it. Sprouting is

super healthy and takes no space at all. There are ways around the

situations if a person is truly dedicated. Note--I did not say it was easy

to do. I did not say it is within everyone's ability. But, if we are

talking about even small groups of people there are always ways to do things

Even community gardens sponsored by churches or other organizations. Some

schools grow food and give to certain groups. It takes effort, certainly.

And for the towns that don't have that, even one person can make a

difference by starting such a group--or if they are physically unable to

start such a group, suggesting it to others.

Yes, there will always be those certain people where even this is physically

too much for them, and they are in a position of aloneness. Still--again,

we were talking about the majority of the American people.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

You make so many assumptions. What bus? Our nation is very spread out. We don

t all have buses. There is a Park and Ride here that will take you to Santa Fe

for $6. But I can t take it because the entrance step is so high I don t have

the strength to get on them.

[Guest guest]

I lived in San . My friends who live in the senior condos on the north

side can t even grow a potted tomato. There are more of these people than you

might imagine. I don t have a sunny window but I do have a plethora of

dandelions which I am now enjoying. But even if we were all fat and diabetic be

cause we ate our meals at fast food joints be cause we were stupid and lazy,

what does that do for the safety of our.country? And by the way, I lived in

Francis dormitory while I attended St s and took my. meals at the

cafeteria. There was no.cooking or gardening although I did steal fallen pecans

from the monks who had many trees on campus. Thankfully I never had to use a

San bus except for the fiesta downtown circulators.

Ann

>Hi Ann. Yes--we are certainly screwed up health wise and it IS due to food

>more than health care itself--although that is horrendous. It is a crime

>what food manufacturers put into the products.

>

>I was talking in general about having access to grocery stores and food

>choices. Your situation is not that common in comparison with the whole of

>the united states, which we were talking about in a generalized manner. I'm

>sure parts of the unpopulated west your situation is far more common than

>the rest of the country. So yes--there are certain people where good food

>and even decent simple whole food products are not available. But this is

>not the reason so many Americans are overweight and unhealthy. Your

>situation would constitute a small minority. I live outside of San

> 8th largest city in america--where there is handicap accessible

>transportation, decent grocery stores usually within 5 miles of each other

>and a fast food joint on every corner and one of the highest percentages of

>diabetes in the US. Are these people eating healthy home cooked food or

>eating out at junk food places? Statistics speak for themselves.

>

>THAT is what I was referring to. I'm sorry that you felt I was talking

>about every single person no matter their situation, in the whole of the

>united states. I wasn't.

>

>If we wanted to get that specific I could say that even apartment dwellers

>can have window sill gardens. There are many books on it. Sprouting is

>super healthy and takes no space at all. There are ways around the

>situations if a person is truly dedicated. Note--I did not say it was easy

>to do. I did not say it is within everyone's ability. But, if we are

>talking about even small groups of people there are always ways to do things

> Even community gardens sponsored by churches or other organizations. Some

>schools grow food and give to certain groups. It takes effort, certainly.

>And for the towns that don't have that, even one person can make a

>difference by starting such a group--or if they are physically unable to

>start such a group, suggesting it to others.

>

>Yes, there will always be those certain people where even this is physically

>too much for them, and they are in a position of aloneness. Still--again,

>we were talking about the majority of the American people.

>

>Samala,

>

>

>

>

>-------Original Message-------

>

>You make so many assumptions. What bus? Our nation is very spread out. We don

t all have buses. There is a Park and Ride here that will take you to Santa Fe

for $6. But I can t take it because the entrance step is so high I don t have

the strength to get on them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, you are really taking this personally. I'm sorry you feel that way. I

was talking generalities of the greatest percentage. You keep bringing it

back to one person.

And of course, anyone can always find the dark side of any discussion, and

stick with that. Your choice of course.

Me--I prefer to take responsibility for myself and my own health and not

blame every one else. I make poor food choices some times. I accept that.

I know better, but still--sometimes I don't want to cook, and it is easier

to run to the fast food joint, or buy some junk food from the store. But I

know what I'm doing, and why, and accept that.

I never said stupid or lazy--not once. That's your interpretation of what I

was trying to say. Take responsibility and quit blaming everyone else.

So--I'm done with this conversation, because you certainly are taking this

to extremes and choosing to blame the whole industry and apparently see no

way out except to change everyone else.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I lived in San .

[Guest guest]

You misunderstood. I said EVEN If making a worst case scenario. I personally

eat pretty healthy but have to reject half the food served at the senior center.

Sorry you think I am out of sorts. Your choice of.course.

Ann

>Wow, you are really taking this personally. I'm sorry you feel that way. I

>was talking generalities of the greatest percentage. You keep bringing it

>back to one person.

>

>And of course, anyone can always find the dark side of any discussion, and

>stick with that. Your choice of course.

>

>Me--I prefer to take responsibility for myself and my own health and not

>blame every one else. I make poor food choices some times. I accept that.

>I know better, but still--sometimes I don't want to cook, and it is easier

>to run to the fast food joint, or buy some junk food from the store. But I

>know what I'm doing, and why, and accept that.

>

>I never said stupid or lazy--not once. That's your interpretation of what I

>was trying to say. Take responsibility and quit blaming everyone else.

>

>So--I'm done with this conversation, because you certainly are taking this

>to extremes and choosing to blame the whole industry and apparently see no

>way out except to change everyone else.

>

>Samala,

>

>

>-------Original Message-------

>

>I lived in San .

>

>