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Ann Brandenberger wrote:

> I learned the human body can transmute manganese into iron when needed.

Maybe not so wonderful if that happens when we DON " T need more iron. I

have too much, and load fast, maybe I shoudl stop my manganese supplement?

sol

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This only happens if you need iron. Not all the time. Since you do not need

iron, it will not do this.

Ann

>Ann Brandenberger wrote:

>> I learned the human body can transmute manganese into iron when needed.

>Maybe not so wonderful if that happens when we DON " T need more iron. I

>have too much, and load fast, maybe I shoudl stop my manganese supplement?

>sol

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Ann Brandenberger wrote:

> This only happens if you need iron. Not all the time. Since you do not need

iron, it will not do this.

>

FWIW, my husband the chemistry major says manganese cannot be transmuted

into iron by any process that happens in the human body. He says it is a

matter of subatomic particles, not chemical reactions. The body does

chemical reactions, not subatomic particle rearrangement...........I

sure hope he is right and your DVD is wrong.

sol

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I am grateful that our world is not totally materialistic. Of course your

husband says it is not possible. Chemistry does not involve anything except the

Newtonian world. If you do not believe this, fine with me. Photons are real

particles. Light waves are energy. What was it before humans made the decision

to split the beam? It was something no doubt and human intention made the

difference. I really could care less whether anyone else.lbelieves this. I do

believe in an unseen world and one in which we play a special part, not just as

non influential observers, but one in which even electrons have free will. So

take it or leave it. I am willing to.share with you. If you reject it, I

understand. It has been more than 40 years since I studied the geometry of

n-dimensins (also impossible you know) and I am afraid I am not an able advocate

for this type of thinking so I will just bow to your wisdom.

Ann

>Ann Brandenberger wrote:

>> This only happens if you need iron. Not all the time. Since you do not need

iron, it will not do this.

>>

>FWIW, my husband the chemistry major says manganese cannot be transmuted

>into iron by any process that happens in the human body. He says it is a

>matter of subatomic particles, not chemical reactions. The body does

>chemical reactions, not subatomic particle rearrangement...........I

>sure hope he is right and your DVD is wrong.

>sol

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Cool, Bruce. Geo Washington had to.be bled once in a while. I think they used

leeches.

Ann

>The official name for iron overload is hemochromatosis. In the

>mid 1990s, I subscribed to an MD run list for HCTers.

>

>Summarily, then, it was known that there are two types:

>1. Temporary: Consuming iron rich food, usually as a prelude

>....to a couple contributing to global warming;-))))) FE count

>....soon returns to normal.

>2. Genetic: Usually Northern Europeans / aryan races. It was

>....semi humorously speculated that adult industry workers,

>....swingers and serial monogomists are genetic HCTers. A

>....dating service was suggested;-)))))

>2.A. It was speculated that folks who are struck by lightening may

>....be HCTers.

>2.B. I speculated that HCT gives us our magnetic personalities;-)))))

>

>It was further revealed that iron rich blood is exactly what surgical

>patients need to more quickly recover. The good news is that their

>are enough known HCTers in America, to supply ALL this blood,

>internationally, with plenty left over. This blood could be freely

>acquired as donations to the American Red Cross. The bad news

>is that the ARC rejects HCT blood. The ARC removes all FE from

>donated blood, ships the remainder to where FE is transfused into the

>blood, then distributed to where needed. This process makes the

>blood far more expensive.

>

>The only other known HCT treatment is therapeutic phlebotomy, where

>the patient pays to have blood drawn and discarded.

>

>Bruce Chesley

>Truth is a terrible cross to bear.

>Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. - Paine

>The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacitus

>Treason for $$$$. ALL " pro 2A " orgs.

>

>

>Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:24:32 -0600

>Maybe not so wonderful if that happens when we DON " T need more

>iron. I have too much, and load fast, maybe I shoudl stop my manganese

>supplement?

>sol

>

>Ann Brandenberger wrote:

>I learned the human body can transmute manganese into iron when needed.

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The official name for iron overload is hemochromatosis. In the

mid 1990s, I subscribed to an MD run list for HCTers.

Summarily, then, it was known that there are two types:

1. Temporary: Consuming iron rich food, usually as a prelude

.....to a couple contributing to global warming;-))))) FE count

.....soon returns to normal.

2. Genetic: Usually Northern Europeans / aryan races. It was

.....semi humorously speculated that adult industry workers,

.....swingers and serial monogomists are genetic HCTers. A

.....dating service was suggested;-)))))

2.A. It was speculated that folks who are struck by lightening may

.....be HCTers.

2.B. I speculated that HCT gives us our magnetic personalities;-)))))

It was further revealed that iron rich blood is exactly what surgical

patients need to more quickly recover. The good news is that their

are enough known HCTers in America, to supply ALL this blood,

internationally, with plenty left over. This blood could be freely

acquired as donations to the American Red Cross. The bad news

is that the ARC rejects HCT blood. The ARC removes all FE from

donated blood, ships the remainder to where FE is transfused into the

blood, then distributed to where needed. This process makes the

blood far more expensive.

The only other known HCT treatment is therapeutic phlebotomy, where

the patient pays to have blood drawn and discarded.

Bruce Chesley

Truth is a terrible cross to bear.

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. - Paine

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacitus

Treason for $$$$. ALL " pro 2A " orgs.

Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:24:32 -0600

Maybe not so wonderful if that happens when we DON " T need more

iron. I have too much, and load fast, maybe I shoudl stop my manganese

supplement?

sol

Ann Brandenberger wrote:

I learned the human body can transmute manganese into iron when needed.

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Ann Brandenberger wrote:

> I really could care less whether anyone else.lbelieves this. I do believe

in an unseen world and one in which we play a special part, not just as non

influential observers, but one in which even electrons have free will. So take

it or leave it.

It is good you don't care, so you should not be offended at all that I

don't go in much for a lot of what I see as the woo-woo idea of

chemistry and physics. We are all free to believe what seems right to

us.............I just hope I'm not loading iron even faster because of

using a manganese supplement. Whatever the body can or cannot do in

theory, bodies in fact do not always operate as they

should................so what I am saying is if the body CAN transmute

manganese into iron, any individual body COULD do so when the iron is

not actually needed but would contribute to further overload. Things

just don't always work according to rules...............if bodies always

worked according to the rules, nobody would ever get iron overload in

the first place.

just my own two cents,

I frankly don't care if you agree or not, my sole interest and

responsibility is myself, and I have a body that doesn't follow rules,

and often reacts oppositely to expected.

sol

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How can one element be transmuted into another element?

Jane

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Re: [Fwd: The Hidden Wikipedia: How to Find Deleted Material

about Nutritional Medicine]

>I am grateful that our world is not totally materialistic. Of course your

>husband says it is not possible. Chemistry does not involve anything

>except the Newtonian world. If you do not believe this, fine with me.

>Photons are real particles. Light waves are energy. What was it before

>humans made the decision to split the beam? It was something no doubt and

>human intention made the difference. I really could care less whether

>anyone else.lbelieves this. I do believe in an unseen world and one in

>which we play a special part, not just as non influential observers, but

>one in which even electrons have free will. So take it or leave it. I am

>willing to.share with you. If you reject it, I understand. It has been

>more than 40 years since I studied the geometry of n-dimensins (also

>impossible you know) and I am afraid I am not an able advocate for this

>type of thinking so I will just bow to your wisdom.

> Ann

>

>

>

>>Ann Brandenberger wrote:

>>> This only happens if you need iron. Not all the time. Since you do not

>>> need iron, it will not do this.

>>>

>>FWIW, my husband the chemistry major says manganese cannot be transmuted

>>into iron by any process that happens in the human body. He says it is a

>>matter of subatomic particles, not chemical reactions. The body does

>>chemical reactions, not subatomic particle rearrangement...........I

>>sure hope he is right and your DVD is wrong.

>>sol

>>

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>>DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton

>>MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton, NDYahoo!

>>Groups Links

>>

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[Guest guest]

No, I certainly am not offended. Not in the slightest. I am not aware of the

ordinary requirement for manganese. Surely it is quite small. Those tiny

ammounts can make huge differences though. For example oil of lemon, orange,

and grapefruit are all mostly limonene. Yet our noses can detect the

distinguishing odor of grapefruit in a New York second. There is a unique

sulfur containing compound in grapefruit. Quantity? Less than 1 part per

billion. That is like 5 drops in an Olympic size swimming pool. Yet we pick it

out easily. So tiny quantities can be very important. So I am not saying you

don t need manganese, but I am wondering how much you need to supplement. Do you

have access to some kind of food chemistry books? I am wondering which foods

would be more likely to give you all you need. Another thing I believe that. I

cannot prove is that our bodies can process natural organic food better than

manufactured nutrients and would be less

likely to store them in deleterious ways. Is there any reason to supplement

manganese? I wish I knew the answer, but I think you are correct that there is

a malfunction somewhere or You wouldntt have too much iron unless you ttook it

in supplements.

Sorry about the fat finger typing. I have asked my daughter to fix me a stylus

that a touch screen will respond to, but so far she has ignored my request.

Ann

>Ann Brandenberger wrote:

>> I really could care less whether anyone else.lbelieves this. I do believe

in an unseen world and one in which we play a special part, not just as non

influential observers, but one in which even electrons have free will. So take

it or leave it.

>It is good you don't care, so you should not be offended at all that I

>don't go in much for a lot of what I see as the woo-woo idea of

>chemistry and physics. We are all free to believe what seems right to

>us.............I just hope I'm not loading iron even faster because of

>using a manganese supplement. Whatever the body can or cannot do in

>theory, bodies in fact do not always operate as they

>should................so what I am saying is if the body CAN transmute

>manganese into iron, any individual body COULD do so when the iron is

>not actually needed but would contribute to further overload. Things

>just don't always work according to rules...............if bodies always

>worked according to the rules, nobody would ever get iron overload in

>the first place.

>just my own two cents,

>I frankly don't care if you agree or not, my sole interest and

>responsibility is myself, and I have a body that doesn't follow rules,

>and often reacts oppositely to expected.

>sol

>

>

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>MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton, NDYahoo!

Groups Links

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann Brandenberger wrote:

> Sol, I haven t a clue how to monitor your minerals. But I would think

monitoring would be wise if you are supplementing with metals as opposed to just

getting them out of food. Too bad doctor is so closed to helping you get

balanced.

>

I pay for everything out of pocket due to a high deductible, so I am

limited in what tests I can get. And blood serum, which is all they do

here, is supposed to be fairly inaccurate anyway. So I do the best I

can, monitor myself carefully. And take breaks from supplementing.

sol

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Garnet_LDN wrote:

> Manganese is a trace mineral and is not needed in large amounts. But

> a good trace mineral supplement is not a bad idea. I would not worry

> about it converting to Iron and causing an over load simply because

> your supplement does not contain that much of it. Maybe I am not familiar

> enough with your condition to realize that there could be an issue, but

> I would not stop taking the supplement if it seems to be helping you.

>

>

Thanks Garnet,

I won't worry about it, and it does seem to help (taken as part of the

pyroluria protocol supplements).

sol

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Hair analysis is often used as a more accurate measure of minerals than

blood levels. But

you have to know what the levels mean. Allopathic doctors only know what

blood levels

mean because that is the only test they are familiar with.

The mercury chelation groups use hair analysis. There are some very

informative groups

related to chelating for autism. They have specific recommendations for

testing facilities.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

There is a book on interpreting the results by Cutler that is

widely used by the Austism

community, as well as his book and protocol on chelation using oral DMSA

and ALA.

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities How To Properly

Interpret Hair Analysis

This page has a list of the minerals that are tested.

http://herballure.com/Products/HairTestInterpretation,FindingHiddenToxicities,An\

drewCutler/index.html

Garnet

sol wrote:

>

> Ann Brandenberger wrote:

> > Sol, I haven t a clue how to monitor your minerals. But I would

> think monitoring would be wise if you are supplementing with metals as

> opposed to just getting them out of food. Too bad doctor is so closed

> to helping you get balanced.

> >

> I pay for everything out of pocket due to a high deductible, so I am

> limited in what tests I can get. And blood serum, which is all they do

> here, is supposed to be fairly inaccurate anyway. So I do the best I

> can, monitor myself carefully. And take breaks from supplementing.

> sol

>

>

[Guest guest]

Noticed you mentioned chelation and using it to help with autism. I believe

that actor Jim Carey's significant other was able to cure her child of autism

thru chelation and detoxing and supplementing diet.

Was wondering what you or anyone would know about a product called 'Kelatox'.

It is a suppository for chelation and costs about $17/suppository. Supposed to

contain ETA if I recall correctlly and goes after all metals. Suspect a good

multimineral would be a good thing to do if one is doing Kelatox. They

recommend bedtime or evening for taking the suppository.

I thought it would not be a bad thing to do maybe 10 or so at my age (67) just

for a type of insurance. I figured it could not hurt and might benefit me as

time goes on, regarding overall circulation and possible removing any aluminum

or mercury in my body tissues.

Gerry

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about Nutritional Medicine]

Hair analysis is often used as a more accurate measure of minerals than

blood levels. But

you have to know what the levels mean. Allopathic doctors only know what

blood levels

mean because that is the only test they are familiar with.

The mercury chelation groups use hair analysis. There are some very

informative groups

related to chelating for autism. They have specific recommendations for

testing facilities.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

There is a book on interpreting the results by Cutler that is

widely used by the Austism

community, as well as his book and protocol on chelation using oral DMSA

and ALA.

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities How To Properly

Interpret Hair Analysis

This page has a list of the minerals that are tested.

http://herballure.com/Products/HairTestInterpretation,FindingHiddenToxicities,An\

drewCutler/index.html

Garnet

sol wrote:

>

> Ann Brandenberger wrote:

> > Sol, I haven t a clue how to monitor your minerals. But I would

> think monitoring would be wise if you are supplementing with metals as

> opposed to just getting them out of food. Too bad doctor is so closed

> to helping you get balanced.

> >

> I pay for everything out of pocket due to a high deductible, so I am

> limited in what tests I can get. And blood serum, which is all they do

> here, is supposed to be fairly inaccurate anyway. So I do the best I

> can, monitor myself carefully. And take breaks from supplementing.

> sol

>

>

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