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In a message dated 7/11/00 10:49:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

starmom@... writes:

<< We have baby npo for l hr prior to circ >>

Just curious, but what is the rationale for this????

Jan

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In a message dated 7/12/00 5:28:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

kemper1974@... writes:

<< .do any of your facilities allow parents to watch the circ being done >>

Absolutely! Why shouldn't those Dad's that insist on it being done get the

priveldge of watching the torture!!!!!!!

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In a message dated 7/12/00 6:58:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

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<< My experience with blocks is that they don't help. They have to hurt too

>>

OMG, thats barbaric!

In my clinical observation...blocks are extremely effective when done

properly and given time to become effective.

All circs where I work are done with blocks...We also use a sucrose solution,

given orally to babes. (Believe it or not, thanks to one of our peds who

heard about this at a ocnference about 10 years ago) There is literature that

shows that sucrose solution given po to a baby at least 10-20 minutes prior

to the procedure, works on the opiate receptors in the newborn brain....we

also allow baby to suckle on these homemade sucrose suckers for awhile after

the procedure. We rarely have babies that cry during procedure. We only

restrain the baby's thighs, hands are allowed free, usually the baby keeps

them well out of the way, up by the face. And parents are allowed!! Procedure

is done on a padded restraint under a radiant warmer. Baby is immediately

taken to the mother for breastfeeding or skin to skin for comfort. Circ

checks are done (with baby on the Mom or Dad usually) for q 15 mins X 1 hr.

The docs use either traditional Gomco (for which a mixture of lidocaine jelly

and vaseline is placed on the dressing for 24 hrs) or plastibell (no

dressing). Tylenol is ordered prn and we give it when we think baby is

unsually fussy...which is pretty rare.

Most babies are quiet, sleepy for the day of circ. This corresponding with

less feedings or shorter feedings for that day. We prefer not to circ any

baby that is sleepy and/or having breastfeeding difficulties. The permit for

circ is usually not signed by the parent until feedings are established (this

keeps the " well meaning " ped from hurrying the circ along! We try not to circ

them until the AM of the day they are going home)

We do not use EMLA cream for circs, it is clearly stated in the accompanying

package literature that it should not be used on the penis. Our RM dept gets

alittle squirrely about us using things in a way that have specific written

contraindications.

We do use EMLA cream for any IV starts on newborns (and ped patients), it is

important to remember that for the EMLA cream to be effective it seems to

require at least an hour of time in place before the start therefore not good

for those stat starts. We smear it on and cover it with a tegaderm.

Jan

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I'll have to check with our Peds to see what they use. I work in L & D so don't

get " back there " to see it done. I used to work for a group of Peds where

one of them, a very devote Jewish Dr, would give the babies a nipple full of

Manesheviz wine just prior to the circ. I asked her if this was a religious

thing and she told me that it was because it tasted good and calmed them down!

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we used to keep them NPO years ago..I believe rationale was so they wouldn't

vomit and aspirate during the procedure.

Glad to see you back, Jan!!! Lori

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we do too, to prevent the baby from spitting up on the circ board and

possible aspiriating...sue

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> << We have baby npo for l hr prior to circ >>

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> Just curious, but what is the rationale for this????

>

> Jan

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In a message dated 7/20/00 7:52:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

kemper1974@... writes:

<< Glad to see you back, Jan!!! Lori >>

Thanks Lori!!!!

How's the weather??? Teehee

Jan

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