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, it is best not to provide statistics with regard to NFP use and divorce rates. The information is mostly "anecdotal." Years ago Nona Aguilar did an informal survey of NFP use and divorce rates. She quoted the low divorce rate among NFP users. Nona reported her information in her book, The New No-Pill No-Risk Birth Control (1986). It was not a formal study. Mercedes sponsored a study of the question which, as Judith Leonard noted was published in the Catholic Social Science Review, but it too is not considered strong science. It was more of a good "beginning" at getting at the question. It may be more helpful to take a look at the studies on NFP and couple behavior. These show more agreement with regard to all those items that make for building a strong relationship. Any one have some favorite studies to recommend to ? Tn >>> " Lee Barron" 10/15/2007 5:52 PM >>>Dear ,The quoting of 5% on the divorce rate troubles me. Perhaps someone on the list can provide more recent studies. I thought that 5% was truly amazing so I looked into this. I found a study listed on the CCL website that dates to the late 1970s. The study was a NFP teachers and the divorce rate was 5% while they were teaching NFP. Someone can correct me if I am wrong on this. It is my understanding that Mercedes recently did a study with some favorable results but I have not seen that study. I have not been able to locate anything in peer reviewed journals relating to nfp and the divorce rate. So what I do is to quote the high satisfaction rate with NFP--Vandevusse, Hanson, Fehring (2003) Couples views of the effects of natural family planning on marital dynamics. Journal of Nursing Scholarship, 35, 2: 171-176. Hope this helps. And if more material is out there please let us know--we can all benefit! Lee BarronPS I will be praying too!On 10/15/07, kdpoehailoscomcast (DOT) net <kdpoehailoscomcast (DOT) net> wrote:, I did last night and early this am. Can you take a look at it? I was going to send to the reporter this afternoon before we talk. It pastes a little awkwardly, sorry. Thanks, Who are the best candidates for this sort of plan? NFP can be used successfully by any woman who desires to learn the method. It does NOT depend on having regular cycles. To use NFP successfully, one must learn the signs of fertility and the rules for her method, and follow them daily. What are some of the advantages? Safe—NFP does not have the health risks of birth control pills or other methods of hormonal contraception. Hormonal contraceptives are listed as Category 1 carcinogens by the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer since 2005. This group acknowledged links of the birth control pill with liver, breast, and cervical cancer. The risk of breast cancer in a recent meta-analysis published in Mayo Clinical Proceedings was highest in women who used the pill for at least four years prior to first full term pregnancy. In addition, the Pill increases risks of blood clots, heart disease, and stroke...particularly in smokers and older women, but seen in younger ones as well. The Pill can also increase the risk of clinical depression, or just that of depressed mood for which a woman may feel emotionally flat but not seek treatment. Healthy—A woman learns to read her body well, and can recognize potential problems with her reproductive health earlier so that they can be addressed in a timely fashion. Environmentally conscious—There have been concerns raised by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) about pharmaceuticals polluting the water. This includes steroid hormones such as those in the birth control pill, as the hormones will pass into the woman's urine and enter the water supply. There are risks of ecologic harm, and more research is needed to determine if human harm arises from this. NFP has no such risks to the environment. Relationship building—The divorce rate among couples who use NFP has been quoted at 5%, much lower than the general population. What are some of the drawbacks? It does involve a woman monitoring her fertility signs on a daily basis and recording them. This is not time consuming, but does need to be done daily in order to be effective. Women with irregular cycles or breastfeeding may have more trouble learning the method initially, but it can be done. The couple, if they are choosing to avoid pregnancy at a given time, also needs to realize that there will be a period of abstinence (about 7-10 days) in each cycle. Though this is often perceived as a problem, couples come to view this as a positive, with a "honeymoon" occurring each month when they can resume intercourse again. What does training involve? How much does this training cost (in general)? In Charlottesville, training involves two classes to learn the method and then individual follow-ups with the teacher to go over the client's own charts over the next six months. The requested donation is 75.00. How reliable is it? A recent study in the journal Human Reproduction showed that the SymptoThermal Method which we teach here showed an unintended pregnancy rate of 0.6 per 100 women over 13 cycles (about one year.) This is comparable to the efficacy of the birth control pill. For women trying to achieve pregnancy, it is very effective as well in identifying the fertile period and optimizing chances of achieving pregnancy quickly. What are the philosophical/religious reasons one might opt for this method? Many women who take the birth control pill do not realize that if breakthrough ovulation occurs, one of the further ways in which clinically recognized pregnancy can be prevented is by post-fertilization effects (after the union of ovum and sperm.) This information can be found in the Physicians Desk Reference or product insert, and is discussed in an article from Archives of Family Medicine in 2000. Women of any faith who believe that life begins at conception (union of the ovum and sperm) will find this morally problematic. This method is also respectful of the woman—it does not require her to take health risks to manage her fertility, her husband learns to respect her fertility and accept responsibility for family planning with her, and she gets to learn more about how her body functions. REFERENCES: International Agency for Research on Cancer "IARC Monographs Programme Finds Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Contraceptives and Menopausal Therapy Are Carcinogenic to Humans" Press Release No. 167, 29 July 2005. Kahlenborn C, et al. "Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Premenopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-Analysis" Mayo Clin Proc. 2006; 81: 1290-1302. Environmental Protection Agency "Pharmaceuticals and Personal Care Products" www.epa.gov (Last updated 17 July 2007) -Herrmann P, et al. "The Effectiveness of a Fertility Awareness Based Method to Avoid Pregnancy in Relation to a Couple's Sexual Behaviour During the Fertile Time: A Prospective Longitudinal Study"Human Reproduction 2007; 22: 1310-1319. Larimore WL and Stanford JC. "Postfertilization Effects of Oral Contraceptives and Their Relationship to Informed Consent" ArchFam Med 2000; 9: 126-133. --------- Re: Any advice for interview Can I ask, what is on the 1 page summary sheet for the CrM? > > I agree with all the great points below, especially > #2! > > Several years ago I was thrilled when a free lance > reporter wanted to attend a Creighton Model > Introductory Session. > > She took a lot of notes and declined the offer of a > summary sheet. Sandrock, RNC, CNM, MSN Creighton Model Fertility Care System Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern & Arbonne Consultant ID 15986543 www.arbonne.com __________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ < http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/> -- Lee Barron PhD©, APRN, BC, FNPAssociate ProfessorCoordinator, Family Nurse Practitioner ProgramSaint Louis University

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Maybe so, but then one must not forget to mention the peer-reviewed studies -- excellent data -- showing the association of contracepton and divorce, such as the doubling of the divorce rate in the original Royal College (pill) Study (Pitman Medical 1974), the logistic regression done by the economist (I believe that was his name?) showing the pill doubled the divorce rate from 1965 to 1975 in the U.S.

In effect, the 2 types of comparisons are equally admissable, i.e., any theoretical advantage NFP may have in lowering divorce rates, but also the detrimental effect when contraception is used.

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

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[sPAM] Re: Any advice for interview

, it is best not to provide statistics with regard to NFP use and divorce rates. The information is mostly "anecdotal."

Years ago Nona Aguilar did an informal survey of NFP use and divorce rates. She quoted the low divorce rate among NFP users. Nona reported her information in her book, The New No-Pill No-Risk Birth Control (1986). It was not a formal study.

Mercedes sponsored a study of the question which, as Judith Leonard noted was published in the Catholic Social Science Review, but it too is not considered strong science. It was more of a good "beginning" at getting at the question.

It may be more helpful to take a look at the studies on NFP and couple behavior. These show more agreement with regard to all those items that make for building a strong relationship. Any one have some favorite studies to recommend to ?

Tn

>>> " Lee Barron" 10/15/2007 5:52 PM >>>

Dear ,

The quoting of 5% on the divorce rate troubles me. Perhaps someone on the list can provide more recent studies. I thought that 5% was truly amazing so I looked into this. I found a study listed on the CCL website that dates to the late 1970s. The study was a NFP teachers and the divorce rate was 5% while they were teaching NFP. Someone can correct me if I am wrong on this.

It is my understanding that Mercedes recently did a study with some favorable results but I have not seen that study. I have not been able to locate anything in peer reviewed journals relating to nfp and the divorce rate. So what I do is to quote the high satisfaction rate with NFP--Vandevusse, Hanson, Fehring (2003) Couples views of the effects of natural family planning on marital dynamics. Journal of Nursing Scholarship, 35, 2: 171-176.

Hope this helps. And if more material is out there please let us know--we can all benefit!

Lee Barron

PS I will be praying too!

On 10/15/07, kdpoehailoscomcast (DOT) net <kdpoehailoscomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

,

I did last night and early this am. Can you take a look at it? I was going to send to the reporter this afternoon before we talk. It pastes a little awkwardly, sorry.

Thanks,

Who are the best candidates for this sort of plan?

NFP can be used successfully by any woman who desires to learn the method.

It does NOT depend on having regular cycles. To use NFP successfully, one must learn the signs of fertility and the rules for her method, and follow them daily.

What are some of the advantages? Safe

—NFP does not have the health risks of birth control pills or other methods of hormonal contraception. Hormonal contraceptives are listed as Category 1 carcinogens by the

World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer since 2005. This group acknowledged links of the birth control pill with liver, breast, and cervical cancer. The risk of breast cancer in a recent meta-analysis published in Mayo Clinical Proceedings was highest in women who used the pill for at least four years prior to first full term pregnancy.

In addition, the Pill increases risks of blood clots, heart disease, and stroke...particularly in smokers and older women, but seen in younger ones as well. The Pill can also increase the risk of clinical depression, or just that of depressed mood for which a woman may feel emotionally flat but not seek treatment.

Healthy—A woman learns to read her body well, and can recognize potential problems with her reproductive health earlier so that they can be addressed in a timely fashion.

Environmentally conscious

—There have been concerns raised by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) about pharmaceuticals polluting the water. This includes steroid hormones such as those in the birth control pill, as the hormones will pass into the woman's urine and enter the water supply. There are risks of ecologic harm, and more research is needed to determine if human harm arises from this. NFP has no such risks to the environment.

Relationship building—The divorce rate among couples who use NFP has been qu

oted at 5%, much lower than the general population.

What are some of the drawbacks?

It does involve a woman monitoring her fertility signs on a daily basis and recording them.

This is not time consuming, but does need to be done daily in order to be effective. Women with irregular cycles or breastfeeding may have more trouble learning the method initially, but it can be done.

The couple, if they are choosing to avoid pregnancy at a given time, also needs to realize that there will be a period of abstinence (about 7-10 days) in each cycle.

Though this is often perceived as a problem, couples come to view this as a positive, with a "honeymoon" occurring each month when they can resume intercourse again.

What does training involve? How much does this training cost (in

general)?

In Charlottesville, training involves two classes to learn the method and then individual follow-ups with the teacher to go over the client's own charts over the next six months. The requested donation is 75.00.

How reliable is it?

A recent study in the journal Human Reproduction showed that the SymptoThermal Method which we teach here showed an unintended pregnancy rate of 0.6 per 100 women over 13 cycles (about one year.)

This is comparable to the efficacy of the birth control pill. For women trying to achieve pregnancy, it is very effective as well in identifying the fertile period and optimizing chances of achieving pregnancy quickly.

What are the philosophical/religious reasons one might opt for this method?

Many women who take the birth control pill do not realize that if breakthrough ovulation occurs, one of the further ways in which clinically recognized pregnancy can be prevented is by post-fertilization effects (after the union of ovum and sperm.) This information can be found in the Physicians Desk Reference or product insert, and is discussed in an article from Archives of Family Medicine in 2000. Women of any faith who believe that life begins at conception (union of the ovum and sperm) will find this morally problematic.

This method is also respectful of the woman—it does not require her to take health risks to manage her fertility, her husband learns to respect her fertility and accept responsibility for family planning with her, and she gets to learn more about how her body functions.

REFERENCES: International Agency for Research on Cancer "IARC Monographs Programme Finds Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Contracep

tives and Menopausal Therapy Are Carcinogenic to Humans" Press Release No. 167,

29 July 2005.

Kahlenborn C, et al. "Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Premenopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-Analysis"

Mayo Clin Proc. 2006; 81: 1290-1302.

Environmental Prote

ction Agency

"Pharmaceuticals and Personal Care Products"

www.epa.gov (Last updated

17 July 2007)

-Herrmann P, et al. "The Effectiveness of a Fertility Awareness Based Method to Avoid Pregnancy in Relation to a Couple's Sexual Behaviour During the Fertile Time: A Prospective Longitudinal Study"

Human Reproduction 2007; 22: 1310-1319.

Larimore WL and Stanford JC.

"Postfertilization Effects of Oral Contraceptives and Their Relationship to Informed Consent" Arch

Fam Med 2000; 9: 126-133.

--------- Re: Any advice for interview

Can I ask, what is on the 1 page summary sheet for the

CrM?

>

> I agree with all the great points below, especially

> #2!

>

> Several years ago I was thrilled when a free lance

> reporter wanted to attend a Creighton Model

> Introductory Session.

>

> She took a lot of notes and declined the offer of a

> summary sheet.

Sandrock, RNC, CNM, MSN

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

&

Arbonne Consultant

ID 15986543 www.arbonne.com

__________________________________________________________

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ < http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/>

--

Lee Barron PhD©, APRN, BC, FNP

Associate Professor

Coordinator, Family Nurse Practitioner Program

Saint Louis University

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