Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 It's a big help if the client understands the electrodes, how they work, what one "channel" means, ground, etc. A good understanding will result in fewer mistakes. It seems initial office visits would be ideal for slipping in information such as what a good connection looks like, what the reward is rewarding, when it appears to be moving in a desired direction and especially any trouble shooting of tech or behavior problems in office. All in preparation for future home training. Unfortunately it seems from all the tech posts that problems come up as a matter of course. I set up on my own without supervision but with support from "the guys" online. I had problems with my computer because I didn't understand it well. I actually didn't know I had to first save a file downloading and then install it. Also there was with the USB/serial adaptor cable and even with my infrared adaptor (Pocket A1). Then when things get changed on a computer sometimes new trouble crop up. As a home user, we liked instant messenger chats in real time and shared emails. We were time consuming!! Occasional office training visits might not always be necessary, but could really be more efficient for seeing what is happening sometimes. You can have all the recordings and data files sent to you. This requires more training of the client if he doesn't know how to zip and send files already. Our experience with home training supervision was very positive. I would say the professional must be prepared, extremely patient with clients and and sharp to pick up on what the client is communicating (all of which is! ). Rah (Didn't stay invisible long.)MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. Instale grátis. Clique aqui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Jane, well spoken, I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said, home training can work, there is no question about it. I would encourage people to give it a go, but as you can understand all it would take is one bad press and our profession will be pushed back 20 years. If a home trainer has a bad experience, no one knows about it, but if our company made someone worse then we go out of business and everyone else practicing out there will find it difficult to get people to trust neurofeedback again. That is what I am trying to say, to give the other side of the story and why we have such high costs, training expenses, insurance, etc. Home trainers, please do not be discouraged from using the systems available, go to the conferences, get professional training and visit these forums, learn as much as you can. But, please realise that there are some people with severe disorders who will not respond to basic protocols and this is where you will best help them by going to a professional first. pacman > > Pac pac, > > I appreciate all your concerns about legalities and liability. Surely, we live in a very litigious (right word?) society. But I do want to bring us back to our very successful hometrainers group in the Washington, DC, area and link our success to your comment below: > > -- " I would love to give my clients a home trainer, but we get the very worst cases to treat, no one comes to us with mild anxiety, they wait until it is a full blown panic disorder or something just as bad. " -- > > A large number of us, including myself, began neurofeedback under the very condition you discuss. It's not that I waited until a full-blown whatever occurred to start neurofeedback, it's just that it took me awhile to find out about it, read about it, decide to try it. Believe me, if I had known about neurofeedback, we would have never gone the meds-hospitalization route, which included advice from more than one psychiatrist to place our son outside the home. > > It is very possible for a committed parent to work on a child at home, no matter what condition the child is in, as long as the parent has taken Pete's training and has continued support from Pete and others. In my case, Sue Othmer provided much-needed information about her protocols, which helped my son tremendously. > > I am posting again, not to beat a dead horse, but to reassure parents who are lurking on this list that they can do this at home with the right commitment, knowledge, and support. Certainly, the many parents in our hometrainers group who are working so diligently with their kids have proved this. > > Jane > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 <But, please realise that thereare some people with severe disorders who will not respond to basicprotocols and this is where you will best help them by going to aprofessional first.>Pacman~ I think what Jane was trying to say is that her son does have a serious disorder, and she figured out how to train him without "basic protocols" and had success, when the licensed professional clinician she went to did not. Its not so much about professional vs non-professional that makes the difference. Its mostly about People, professional or not; How clever and motivated they are to learn and become successful. ~ Re: Hometraining Jane, well spoken, I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said,home training can work, there is no question about it. I wouldencourage people to give it a go, but as you can understand all itwould take is one bad press and our profession will be pushed back 20years.If a home trainer has a bad experience, no one knows about it, but ifour company made someone worse then we go out of business and everyoneelse practicing out there will find it difficult to get people totrust neurofeedback again. That is what I am trying to say, to give the other side of the storyand why we have such high costs, training expenses, insurance, etc.Home trainers, please do not be discouraged from using the systemsavailable, go to the conferences, get professional training and visitthese forums, learn as much as you can. But, please realise that thereare some people with severe disorders who will not respond to basicprotocols and this is where you will best help them by going to aprofessional first.pacman>> Pac pac,> > I appreciate all your concerns about legalities and liability.Surely, we live in a very litigious (right word?) society. But I dowant to bring us back to our very successful hometrainers group in theWashington, DC, area and link our success to your comment below:> > --"I would love to give my clients a home trainer, but we get thevery worst cases to treat, no one comes to us with mild anxiety, theywait until it is a full blown panic disorder or something just as bad."--> > A large number of us, including myself, began neurofeedback underthe very condition you discuss. It's not that I waited until afull-blown whatever occurred to start neurofeedback, it's just that ittook me awhile to find out about it, read about it, decide to try it.Believe me, if I had known about neurofeedback, we would have nevergone the meds-hospitalization route, which included advice from morethan one psychiatrist to place our son outside the home. > > It is very possible for a committed parent to work on a child athome, no matter what condition the child is in, as long as the parenthas taken Pete's training and has continued support from Pete andothers. In my case, Sue Othmer provided much-needed information abouther protocols, which helped my son tremendously.> > I am posting again, not to beat a dead horse, but to reassureparents who are lurking on this list that they can do this at homewith the right commitment, knowledge, and support. Certainly, the manyparents in our hometrainers group who are working so diligently withtheir kids have proved this. > > Jane > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Jane, I just noted that you mentioned aspergers what protocol did you use etc. I have had good advice from the list people so far but more knowledge is always nice. Cheers Tony From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of Jane Gurin Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 3:14 p.m. To: braintrainer Subject: Re: Hometraining Pacman, I can't tell if there's anything we disagree on. But, in fact, it is the very thing that you're talking about . . . " if our company made someone worse then we go out of business and everyone else practicing out there will find it difficult to get people to trust neurofeedback again.. . . " that we hometrainers are working so hard against. I have on several occasions, upon telling a parent about neurofeedback, heard, " Oh, we've tried that and it doesn't work, " due to some neurofeedback professionals in the DC area. Frustrating, huh? Pete has taught me that " severe disorders " is not the way neurofeedback works. Diagnoses don't matter much. What matters is what you see on the assessment and knowing how to train what you see. And that's worked for me even though my son had a tremendously " severe disorder " and it's worked for my neighbors and friends with kids whose diagnoses run the alphabet, from Asperger's to bipolar disorder to ADHD to OCD. Train what you see, train what you see, train what you see. Pacman (and who are you, by the way?), really, I count among my circle of hometrainers several who know as much as the professionals in my area. So, while I agree with you that a well-trained professional who knows how to read a Q or a TLC assessment and how to generate appropriate protocols based on that information is probably a good professional to go to, that hasn't been my experience with professionals (I started with one) aaannnnndddddd it has been my experience with hometrainers. I guess we're traveling in different circles. The bottom line is that all I care about is that people learn about neurofeedback and find a way to use it with their kids. I think we can both agree on that:-) All the best, Jane -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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