Re: Capsaicin could stop a heart attack in progress, scientists find

October 14, 2009

Pardon me for butting in, but mixing cayenne with DMSO seems rather

redundant to me since they both do pretty much the same thing- that

is carry stuff thru the skin and into the blood stream fast.

Cayenne tincture made from the hottest peppers you can find and

RAW ACV is a totally lifesaving remedy in and of itself. I am

never very far away from a dropper bottle full. It will not only

stop a heart attack in its tracks, it can very well make the

difference of whether you survive an attack or even a stroke. Dr.

Schultz relates an account where he revived a patient who had

already died (within minutes of course) who had no ill effects

later. Taken internally it cleans the plaque from your arteries,

lowers blood pressure as well as increase the HDL levels. Aside

from raw garlic its one of natures most precious of gifts. It

works so fast and efficiently I wonder why adding DMSO would be

necessary or even desired. I'd rather save the DMSO for where its

actually needed.

Zoe

Bruce Chesley wrote:

This begs the obvious question about mixing X amount DMSO with

Y amount cayenne and applying the mixture to Where ? on the body

?

I guess, Garnet, we need to start with the cayenne dalton. Then

determine X, Y and Where.

"Now science has come up with proof cayenne does have a

remarkable

ability to help the heart. University of Cincinnati (UC)

scientists have

found that capsaicin,

the main component of cayenne,

may literally stop

a heart attack in its tracks when applied

topically."

http://www.naturalnews.com/027238_capsaicin_heart_attack_cayenne.html

Bruce Chesley

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October 14, 2009

I think what Bruce is trying to say is that DMSO might help if

the Cayenne is being applied topically.

DMSO alone, in oral dose, will stop a heart attack or a stroke.

But of course in emergency the out come is unknown and

every effort seems reasonable to ensure success.

Making a DMSO Cayenne tincture might be the way to

go, so that you have it ready ahead of time. I'm no

expert at making tinctures but Doug has posted on this

before. 1 part water to 3 parts DMSO, not sure how much

Cayenne or what strength of Cayenne. There's some pretty

hot stuff out there.

You can also buy Capsaicin cream and follow that with DMSO

in a pinch.

Garnet

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zoew wrote:

>

> Pardon me for butting in, but mixing cayenne with DMSO seems rather

> redundant to me since they both do pretty much the same thing- that

> is carry stuff thru the skin and into the blood stream fast.

> Cayenne tincture made from the hottest peppers you can find and RAW

> ACV is a totally lifesaving remedy in and of itself. I am never

> very far away from a dropper bottle full. It will not only stop a

> heart attack in its tracks, it can very well make the difference of

> whether you survive an attack or even a stroke. Dr. Schultz

> relates an account where he revived a patient who had already died

> (within minutes of course) who had no ill effects later. Taken

> internally it cleans the plaque from your arteries, lowers blood

> pressure as well as increase the HDL levels. Aside from raw garlic

> its one of natures most precious of gifts. It works so fast and

> efficiently I wonder why adding DMSO would be necessary or even

> desired. I'd rather save the DMSO for where its actually needed.

>

> Zoe

>

> Bruce Chesley wrote:

>

>> This begs the obvious question about mixing X amount DMSO with

>> Y amount cayenne and applying the mixture to Where ? on the body ?

>> I guess, Garnet, we need to start with the cayenne dalton. Then

>> determine X, Y and Where.

>>

>> " Now science has come up with proof cayenne does have a remarkable

>> ability to help the heart. University of Cincinnati (UC) scientists have

>> found that capsaicin <http://www.naturalnews.com/capsaicin.html>, the

>> main component of cayenne <http://www.naturalnews.com/cayenne.html>,

>> may literally stop

>> a heart attack <http://www.naturalnews.com/heart_attack.html> in its

>> tracks when applied topically. "

>> http://www.naturalnews.com/027238_capsaicin_heart_attack_cayenne.html

>> <http://www.naturalnews.com/027238_capsaicin_heart_attack_cayenne.html>

>>

>> Bruce Chesley

>> Truth is a terrible cross to bear.

>> Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. - Paine

>> The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacitus

>> Treason for $$$$. ALL " pro 2A " orgs.

>>

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October 14, 2009

This is the point I am trying to get across. Both cayenne

(capsaicin) and DMSO have essentially the very same properties.

Cayenne is added to other herbal tinctures in order to speed up

absorption both internally as well as externally, both will stop a

heart attack, both will clear arteries, etc., etc. So my question

is to what advantage is it to have both in the same tincture when they

both do the same thing? Please Im not trying to be argumentative, I

would truly like to have this explained, but it just doesn't make sense

to me to have both when either one will do the same job. We use

Cayenne in a lot of our remedies because it is Capable of crossing

the blood brain barrier and will drive the other herbs there too, that

do not have this capability on their own. So my question is really,

how are they different and in what way might they be beneficial used

together? I make Cayenne tincture all the time, so adding the DMSO

to the recipe is not a problem, I just want to know WHY?

zoe

Garnet wrote:

> I think what Bruce is trying to say is that DMSO might help if

> the Cayenne is being applied topically.

>

> DMSO alone, in oral dose, will stop a heart attack or a stroke.

>

> But of course in emergency the out come is unknown and

> every effort seems reasonable to ensure success.

>

> Making a DMSO Cayenne tincture might be the way to

> go, so that you have it ready ahead of time. I'm no

> expert at making tinctures but Doug has posted on this

> before. 1 part water to 3 parts DMSO, not sure how much

> Cayenne or what strength of Cayenne. There's some pretty

> hot stuff out there.

>

> You can also buy Capsaicin cream and follow that with DMSO

> in a pinch.

>

> Garnet

>

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>

> Dr Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN

>

> zoew wrote:

>

>>

>> Pardon me for butting in, but mixing cayenne with DMSO seems rather

>> redundant to me since they both do pretty much the same thing- that

>> is carry stuff thru the skin and into the blood stream fast.

>> Cayenne tincture made from the hottest peppers you can find and RAW

>> ACV is a totally lifesaving remedy in and of itself. I am never

>> very far away from a dropper bottle full. It will not only stop a

>> heart attack in its tracks, it can very well make the difference of

>> whether you survive an attack or even a stroke. Dr. Schultz

>> relates an account where he revived a patient who had already died

>> (within minutes of course) who had no ill effects later. Taken

>> internally it cleans the plaque from your arteries, lowers blood

>> pressure as well as increase the HDL levels. Aside from raw garlic

>> its one of natures most precious of gifts. It works so fast and

>> efficiently I wonder why adding DMSO would be necessary or even

>> desired. I'd rather save the DMSO for where its actually needed.

>>

>> Zoe

>>

>> Bruce Chesley wrote:

>>

October 14, 2009

All I can say is why not?

We don't have any hard data to quantify effect and if it

won't hurt it

makes sense to me. Both are really cheap so no need to conserve.

Maybe they would work really well together. I am not

advocating either

way. I just don't see any reason not to try them both when

someone's

life is at stake and you want to optimize the outcome.

Garnet

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zoe w wrote:

>

> This is the point I am trying to get across. Both cayenne

> (capsaicin) and DMSO have essentially the very same properties.

> Cayenne is added to other herbal tinctures in order to speed up

> absorption both internally as well as externally, both will stop a

> heart attack, both will clear arteries, etc., etc. So my question

> is to what advantage is it to have both in the same tincture when they

> both do the same thing? Please Im not trying to be argumentative, I

> would truly like to have this explained, but it just doesn't make sense

> to me to have both when either one will do the same job. We use

> Cayenne in a lot of our remedies because it is Capable of crossing

> the blood brain barrier and will drive the other herbs there too, that

> do not have this capability on their own. So my question is really,

> how are they different and in what way might they be beneficial used

> together? I make Cayenne tincture all the time, so adding the DMSO

> to the recipe is not a problem, I just want to know WHY?

>

> zoe

>

> Garnet wrote:

> > I think what Bruce is trying to say is that DMSO might help if

> > the Cayenne is being applied topically.

> >

> > DMSO alone, in oral dose, will stop a heart attack or a stroke.

> >

> > But of course in emergency the out come is unknown and

> > every effort seems reasonable to ensure success.

> >

> > Making a DMSO Cayenne tincture might be the way to

> > go, so that you have it ready ahead of time. I'm no

> > expert at making tinctures but Doug has posted on this

> > before. 1 part water to 3 parts DMSO, not sure how much

> > Cayenne or what strength of Cayenne. There's some pretty

> > hot stuff out there.

> >

> > You can also buy Capsaicin cream and follow that with DMSO

> > in a pinch.

> >

> > Garnet

> >

> > ------------------

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone

> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone>

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information>

> >

> > Dr Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN

> >

> <

>

> >

> > zoew wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Pardon me for butting in, but mixing cayenne with DMSO seems rather

> >> redundant to me since they both do pretty much the same thing- that

> >> is carry stuff thru the skin and into the blood stream fast.

> >> Cayenne tincture made from the hottest peppers you can find and RAW

> >> ACV is a totally lifesaving remedy in and of itself. I am never

> >> very far away from a dropper bottle full. It will not only stop a

> >> heart attack in its tracks, it can very well make the difference of

> >> whether you survive an attack or even a stroke. Dr. Schultz

> >> relates an account where he revived a patient who had already died

> >> (within minutes of course) who had no ill effects later. Taken

> >> internally it cleans the plaque from your arteries, lowers blood

> >> pressure as well as increase the HDL levels. Aside from raw garlic

> >> its one of natures most precious of gifts. It works so fast and

> >> efficiently I wonder why adding DMSO would be necessary or even

> >> desired. I'd rather save the DMSO for where its actually needed.

> >>

> >> Zoe

> >>

> >> Bruce Chesley wrote:

> >>

>

October 14, 2009

I didn't know that cayenne was able to cross the blood-brain barrier. I knew that it was used in herb mixtures to give it a kick, and I use a lot of it.

DMSO is used in combination with cayenne and used on Tennessee Walking Horses to cause extreme inflammation on parts of their legs so they pick them up high in shows to impress the judges. It's one of many cruel things they do to those horses. I wouldn't mix the two of them together.

On the other hand, I saw a mare whose foal's hoof tore a hole in her uterus overnight. She was lying in a lake of caked blood when we got there in the morning. The owners finally got a vet there about noon and he discovered a spark of life in her. I watched the vet inject four gallons of saline solution and one gallon of DMSO into the horse. The vet said she had to get on her feet if she was going to live, so five of us lifted her up onto her feet. She made a complete recovery, except for a broken joint in her tail.

Craig

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO From: herebedragons@...Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:16:48 -0400Subject: Re: Capsaicin could stop a heart attack in progress, scientists find

This is the point I am trying to get across. Both cayenne (capsaicin) and DMSO have essentially the very same properties. Cayenne is added to other herbal tinctures in order to speed up absorption both internally as well as externally, both will stop a heart attack, both will clear arteries, etc., etc. So my question is to what advantage is it to have both in the same tincture when they both do the same thing? Please Im not trying to be argumentative, I would truly like to have this explained, but it just doesn't make sense to me to have both when either one will do the same job. We use Cayenne in a lot of our remedies because it is Capable of crossing the blood brain barrier and will drive the other herbs there too, that do not have this capability on their own. So my question is really, how are they different and in what way might they be beneficial used together? I make Cayenne tincture all the time, so adding the DMSO to the recipe is not a problem, I just want to know WHY?zoeGarnet wrote:> I think what Bruce is trying to say is that DMSO might help if> the Cayenne is being applied topically.>> DMSO alone, in oral dose, will stop a heart attack or a stroke.>> But of course in emergency the out come is unknown and> every effort seems reasonable to ensure success.>> Making a DMSO Cayenne tincture might be the way to> go, so that you have it ready ahead of time. I'm no> expert at making tinctures but Doug has posted on this> before. 1 part water to 3 parts DMSO, not sure how much> Cayenne or what strength of Cayenne. There's some pretty> hot stuff out there.>> You can also buy Capsaicin cream and follow that with DMSO> in a pinch.>> Garnet>>>> ------------------> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information>> Dr Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN>

zoew wrote:> >> >>>> Pardon me for butting in, but mixing cayenne with DMSO seems rather >> redundant to me since they both do pretty much the same thing- that >> is carry stuff thru the skin and into the blood stream fast.>> Cayenne tincture made from the hottest peppers you can find and RAW >> ACV is a totally lifesaving remedy in and of itself. I am never >> very far away from a dropper bottle full. It will not only stop a >> heart attack in its tracks, it can very well make the difference of >> whether you survive an attack or even a stroke. Dr. Schultz >> relates an account where he revived a patient who had already died >> (within minutes of course) who had no ill effects later. Taken >> internally it cleans the plaque from your arteries, lowers blood >> pressure as well as increase the HDL levels. Aside from raw garlic >> its one of natures most precious of gifts. It works so fast and >> efficiently I wonder why adding DMSO would be necessary or even >> desired. I'd rather save the DMSO for where its actually needed.>>>> Zoe>>>> Bruce Chesley wrote:>>>>

October 14, 2009

Garnet has identified my goal. As a 2 time heart attack survivor

and someone whom allopathic medicos have stated that they are

surprised that I have survived my medical emergencies, I'm

extremely motivated to have on hand items that I can gulp and / or

topically apply should, GOD FORBID, I begin to experience

another heart attack.

My understanding is that DMSO is primarily a pain reliever +, and

can transdermally transport other sub 1000 dalton substances into

the blood stream. Upon joining the list, I initiated the DMSO S:B

thread and am quite satisfied with that exchange.

My DMSO / cayemme pepper query is repeating my first initiated

thread, now for cardiac. If an on hand DMSO / cayenne / other hot

pepper concoction will thwart any future cardiac event, then I want

to know what that concoction is and have it on hand.

Basically, I want to continue dumbfounding the allopaths. Its becoming

fun;-)))))

I approve Garnet's message " Both are really cheap so no need to

conserve. Maybe they would work really well together. I am not

advocating either way. I just don't see any reason not to try them

both when someone's life is at stake and you want to optimize the

outcome. "

So, let's devise the DMSO / cayenne / other hot pepper concoction.

Bruce Chesley

Truth is a terrible cross to bear.

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. - Paine

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacitus

Treason for $$$$. ALL " pro 2A " orgs.

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:05:16 -0500

I think what Bruce is trying to say is that DMSO might help if the

Cayenne is being applied topically. DMSO alone, in oral dose,

will stop a heart attack or a stroke. But of course in emergency

the out come is unknown and every effort seems reasonable to

ensure success. Making a DMSO Cayenne tincture might be the

way to go, so that you have it ready ahead of time. I'm no expert

at making tinctures but Doug has posted on this before. 1 part water

to 3 parts DMSO, not sure how much Cayenne or what strength of

Cayenne. There's some pretty hot stuff out there. You can also buy

Capsaicin cream and follow that with DMSO in a pinch. Garnet

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:16:48 -0400

This is the point I am trying to get across. Both cayenne

(capsaicin) and DMSO have essentially the very same properties.

Cayenne is added to other herbal tinctures in order to speed up

absorption both internally as well as externally, both will stop a heart

attack, both will clear arteries, etc., etc. So my question is to what

advantage is it to have both in the same tincture when they both do the

same thing? Please Im not trying to be argumentative, I would truly like

to have this explained, but it just doesn't make sense to me to have both

when either one will do the same job. We use Cayenne in a lot of our

remedies because it is Capable of crossing the blood brain barrier and

will drive the other herbs there too, that do not have this capability on

their own. So my question is really, how are they different and in what

way might they be beneficial used together? I make Cayenne tincture

all the time, so adding the DMSO to the recipe is not a problem, I just

want to know WHY? zoe

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:37:18 -0500

All I can say is why not? We don't have any hard data to quantify effect

and if it won't hurt it makes sense to me. Both are really cheap so no

need to conserve. Maybe they would work really well together. I am

not advocating either way. I just don't see any reason not to try them

both when someone's life is at stake and you want to optimize the

outcome. Garnet

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October 14, 2009

Thank you both for your replies.

In searching I have found a couple formulas that do use both DMSO and

Cayenne along with other things, so perhaps they do have some

differences that are complimentary. This doesn't really answer my

question but it does indicate that they can work together. I was

concerned that one might hinder the others abilities, but apparently

not.

Does anyone here have experience with a product called Soothanol X2?

Any comments will be appreciated.

This is one that does use both DMSO and Cayenne and looked quite

interesting.

Craig, I was taught in herb school many years ago that cayenne crossed

the blood brain barrier, and recently had access to an article that

also stated this, but I am unable to find a website tonight that

will verify, I will continue to look for this. I think what they do

to those horses is nothing short of criminal, but who am I?

Thanks

zoe

CRAIG SCHADE wrote:

I didn't know that cayenne was able to cross the blood-brain barrier.

I knew that it was used in herb mixtures to give it a kick, and I use a

lot of it.

DMSO is used in combination with cayenne and used on Tennessee

Walking Horses to cause extreme inflammation on parts of their legs so

they pick them up high in shows to impress the judges. It's one of

many cruel things they do to those horses. I wouldn't mix the two of

them together.

On the other hand, I saw a mare whose foal's hoof tore a hole in her

uterus overnight. She was lying in a lake of caked blood when we got

there in the morning. The owners finally got a vet there about noon

and he discovered a spark of life in her. I watched the vet inject

four gallons of saline solution and one gallon of DMSO into the

horse. The vet said she had to get on her feet if she was going to

live, so five of us lifted her up onto her feet. She made a complete

recovery, except for a broken joint in her tail.

Craig

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

From: herebedragons@...

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:16:48 -0400

Subject: Re: Capsaicin could stop a heart attack in progress,

scientists find

This is the point I am trying to get across.

Both cayenne