AIR QUALITY POISON AT WORK

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I couldn't figure out why I was getting so sick at work today, I started to lose my voice and my nose was getting congested and I was getting nauseous and low and behold they were cleaning the marble floors with some crazy cleaner we are on the 4rth floor.

I felt bad but I asked to leave early at 5:00 p.m., and I for the first time informed my boss I had asthma and was concerned about having an attack. Think I am too late already feel my chest getting heavy and my senses overloaded.

bummer.

Subject: Re: Asthma & AdvairTo: asthma Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 4:03 PM

Hi ,

The first time that I say this was on my msn.com home page and the article was "Medicines that Doctors won't take" came back with a link http://allergies. about.com/ od/medicationinf ormation/ a/advair. htmI don't know if this will be what you want. What helps someone is not always good for someone else. Advair made me deathly ill. My grandson who is 14 is taking Advair and doing really well. Hope this answers you question.

Lou

>> Hi Lou,> > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned. > > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil. Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I

stayed away from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic statement: "It would be better to be blind and live then die from asthma." So, I agreed and am back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose. > > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have a link to it?> > Thanks,> > >

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Use your stuff hon!! Try to nip it in the butt before it get's out of hand! Do you have a nebulizer, use it, get those lungs open and clear, also if you have a sinus rinse or a spray use that too! Also do a peak flow reading to see what your dealing with on that end and after about an hour after doing the medications check it again!

Listen to me, I'm giggling at myself, here I'm mother Henning you when I was so thick headed earlier! see I always try to take care of everyone else and don't do it for myself, I'll learn, all though what my in-laws have done really brought tears to my eye's! I can't believe they all came and did that, I have a feeling either my oldest son or dh called one of them and said something, because this would have been my first time cutting grass since my wisdom teeth came out a month ago, those were the only two who knew I was cutting grass tonight besides ya'll!

Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992

From: asthma [mailto:asthma ] On Behalf Of M GSent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:10 PMTo: asthma Subject: AIR QUALITY POISON AT WORK

I couldn't figure out why I was getting so sick at work today, I started to lose my voice and my nose was getting congested and I was getting nauseous and low and behold they were cleaning the marble floors with some crazy cleaner we are on the 4rth floor.

I felt bad but I asked to leave early at 5:00 p.m., and I for the first time informed my boss I had asthma and was concerned about having an attack. Think I am too late already feel my chest getting heavy and my senses overloaded.

bummer.

From: walkinglou2002 <walkinglou2002>Subject: Re: Asthma & AdvairTo: asthma Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 4:03 PM

Hi ,

The first time that I say this was on my msn.com home page and the article was "Medicines that Doctors won't take" came back with a link http://allergies. about.com/ od/medicationinf ormation/ a/advair. htmI don't know if this will be what you want. What helps someone is not always good for someone else. Advair made me deathly ill. My grandson who is 14 is taking Advair and doing really well. Hope this answers you question.

Lou

>> Hi Lou,> > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned. > > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil. Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I stayed away from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic statement: "It would be better to be blind and live then die from asthma." So, I agreed and am back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose. > > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have a link to it?> > Thanks,> > >

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I got a prescription for a nebulizer but I haven't bought one yet, I will have to check with my insurance company. I just used my sinus rinse and will take my nasal sprays.

feel sweaty .... thanks for the support.

From: walkinglou2002 <walkinglou2002@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Asthma & AdvairTo: asthmayahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 4:03 PM

Hi ,

The first time that I say this was on my msn.com home page and the article was "Medicines that Doctors won't take" came back with a link http://allergies. about.com/ od/medicationinf ormation/ a/advair. htmI don't know if this will be what you want. What helps someone is not always good for someone else. Advair made me deathly ill. My grandson who is 14 is taking Advair and doing really well. Hope this answers you question.

Lou

>> Hi Lou,> > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned. > > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil. Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I

stayed away from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic statement: "It would be better to be blind and live then die from asthma." So, I agreed and am back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose. > > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have a link to it?> > Thanks,> > >

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I am going to apologize in advance. This is long, but I think very

important.

That scares me. If you don't know my story, I am going to give you a

condensed version of it. I worked for a spring water bottling plant

as the office manager (bookkeeper) for 3 years. A year & 1/2 after

starting to work there I suddenly developed major respiratory symptoms

in late July of 2007. After two weeks I finally went to my general

doctor thinking it had to be bronchitis or something. He treated me

for bronchitis starting August 2. Well, on August 10th they admitted

me into the hospital for 10 days. I went home 3 days, then back in

for another 7 days. At that point the hospital called in a

pulmonologist & he diagnosed adult onset asthma & referred me to an

asthma specialist (Dr.Beebe - funny name - I worship him - such an

excellent caring doctor). We played with different medicine

combinations and ended up with Symbicort, ClarinexD, Zyflo, and

Combivent for emergencies. I slowly but steadily improved and

returned to work part time in late October then full time in November.

From the return to work through May 16th, I was no way stable. I had

several bad episodes that required a lot of monitoring and injected

steroids. I also had to start using a home nubulizer and eventually a

portable nebulizer (the combivent just wasn't strong enough to stop an

attack anymore). We could not figure out why I would tank so hard and

fast. Lots of allergy testing - I test negative to everything

(pollen,mold,dander,foods) - but my IEEG factor kept climbing (the

first time it was tested was 430 - now it is in the 700 range). So

there was definitely something I have been reacting to. Well, on May

16th, 2008 someone opened the ozone purge valve and walked off without

closing it. The plant and office areas were flooded with ozone for

more than four hours before someone found the open valve and shut it.

All of the employees were choking and coughing and showing other

respiratory symptoms, but (lucky me already having asthma issues) my

lungs completely shut down & I have consistently degenerated from

there (you can read my posts from the last several weeks for more

info). There were no ozone monitors for air quality in the plant

(against OSHA regs) and I had no idea of the health effects of

breathing low dose long term ozone. It turns out that there have been

multiple small leaks in their ozone system in the whole time I worked

there, and for those people who are more sensitive to ozone breathing

low levels long term causes asthma and a host of other bad lung

issues. So, EUREKA, after almost a year of suffering my asthma doc

finally has something to make sense of me. However at this point, I

am degenerating quickly. My air flow is less daily and my best peak

flow used to be 575 - it is now 300. Don't feel sorry for me. Lots

of very good things have come out of this (even though it completely

bites). Workers comp has taken full responsibility and we are in the

process of getting me to Jewish National in Denver where maybe they

can figure out how to stop this progression. I have also found this

incredible website with these incredible people who have kept me sane.

I just wanted you to know what happened with me. Keep a notebook and

log every event you have at work. Make sure you speak with your

manager everytime and log the causes/effects of the situation. He is

obligated to make a safe environment for his employees. Workers comp

says that it does not matter if an employee has a previous condition

(back injury, asthma...) if there is an accident or environmental

situation that makes a condition worse the employer is required to fix

it. If the employer does not make reasonable attempts to fix the

situation, then they can be held liable for the exacerbation of your

condition. These are the workers comp rules for the state of Georgia,

but I believe that this should pretty much be the same for all states.

I'm sorry this was so long, but I have heard too many stories where

asthmatics are getting the shaft & I wanted to share so maybe we can

get some protection.

Madeline

> >

> > Hi Lou,

> >

> > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take

advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned.

> >

> > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can

cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using

advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower

dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist

confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my

eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes

cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma

doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative

to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil.

Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I stayed away

from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and

dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma

doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic

statement: " It would be better to be blind and live then die from

asthma. " So, I agreed and am

> back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose.

> >

> > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have

a link to it?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

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WOW Madeline, I glad you found out the source of your problems. Now I am wondering if my problem may be similiar. I worked as a bookkeeper for a Ozone company for 2 years and a lot of times I had to leave and get outside because the ozone was too strong . In thinking back....I have had a allergy problem all my life or as long as I can remember anyway. The business went kaput after 2 years and I never associated my problems with ozone. They built protype machines. One you may have heard of is an air cleaning machine. I even had a protype machine here at home. (It was for purifying water) The best I can remember my problems with asthma started shortly after leaving that business. Of course a lot of older people are do develop asthma. (for whatever reason)

Your message is important and I think all of our experiences will help others. Thank you Madeline for telling us your story.

Do hope you can get some relief. Don't give up on the things that are important to you.

God Bless,

Lou

> > >> > > Hi Lou,> > > > > > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take> advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned. > > > > > > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can> cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using> advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower> dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist> confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my> eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes> cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma> doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative> to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil.> Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I stayed away> from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and> dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma> doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic> statement: "It would be better to be blind and live then die from> asthma." So, I agreed and am> > back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose. > > > > > > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have> a link to it?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > >> >>

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It could very well be. In the last 2 or 3 years there have been

several studies published, and there is a long guideline at the

osha.gov website (although it is a bit hard to find - like everything

else at that site). Osha also lists it on their most hazardous list.

It only takes something like 4 parts per million to cause irritation

and minor tissue damage. I can't remember exactly off the top of my

head, but it is a ridiculously small amount. I can't believe more

education is not being done about it. That is why in the last year or

two all of the major cities are reporting " high ozone days " and things

like that.

Madeline

> > > >

> > > > Hi Lou,

> > > >

> > > > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take

> > advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned.

> > > >

> > > > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can

> > cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using

> > advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower

> > dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist

> > confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my

> > eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes

> > cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma

> > doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative

> > to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil.

> > Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I stayed away

> > from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and

> > dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma

> > doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic

> > statement: " It would be better to be blind and live then die from

> > asthma. " So, I agreed and am

> > > back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose.

> > > >

> > > > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have

> > a link to it?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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and Marge, You both seemed stressed out. I can tell you what I do when I get this way. The first thing is use the nebulizer or my inhaler. I put the coffee pot on and a cup of coffee will reduce the swelling in your bronical tubes. Terry uses a cold mountain dew. A lot of caffeine there too. The coffee with caffine and also the warm liquid helps. Then I get in my recliner and read or watch T.V.

the numbers that everyone is talking about is a peak air flow meter. You blow in and it gives you a number. Most dr say do this three times and average it or take the high one. Your amount you should blow is how old you are and how tall. There should be a chart that comes with meter You can buy them at most pharmacys and also on the internet. Your dr could recommend. You do not need a prescription.

I would recomment that you see your doctor or an Allergy- Asthma Specialist. The specialist will be more able to help with the asthma. Sometimes I think my GP does not have a clue about asthma. I would write all my questions down that I want to know. there are a lot of people in this group that can help you. Don't be afraid to ask?

You can use your nebulizer three or four times a day. Depends what your Dr. prescribes. Don't panic.

I don't know if this has been much help. Hope you both are feeling better by now.

Happy breathing,

Lou

> > > > >> > > > > Hi Lou,> > > > >> > > > > You mentioned reading an article about why doctors don't take> > > advair. Did they say why they don't? I take advair and am concerned.> > > > >> > > > > I was taking the highest dose of advair when I read that it can> > > cause glaucoma. Glaucoma runs in our family so I wanted to stop using> > > advair. My doctor lowered the advair dose, and I did fine on the lower> > > dose, but I wanted to still stop taking Advair. My Ophthalmologist> > > confirmed that I was glaucoma suspect because of the pressure in my> > > eyes, plus she saw a tiny cataract as well. Note: Advair causes> > > cataracts, too, according to their medical insert. I told my asthma> > > doctor I did not want to take any advair and was there an alternative> > > to taking an inhaled steroid. I went back to using proventil.> > > Unfortunately, I wheezed around the clock even though I stayed away> > > from any food irritants, like milk, corn & chocolates, and cats and> > > dogs. So, it was unsuccessful with my not taking advair. My asthma> > > doctor put me on the lowest dose of advair and made a classic> > > statement: "It would be better to be blind and live then die from> > > asthma." So, I agreed and am> > > > back on advair, at least it's the lowest dose.> > > > >> > > > > But I'd like to know more about this article you read. Do you have> > > a link to it?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> No viruses found in this incoming message> Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5> http://www.iolo. com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> No viruses found in this outgoing message> Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5> http://www.iolo. com>