Re: Re: Free Expression:Grow up

August 31, 2011

I am in complete agreement with Bharat and Ashish. You don't develop a

camaraderie and bonding just by being in touch with each other on Bdays and

condolences, exchanging mails at some other times when your son or daughter has

joined some professional course and you need help. I have never met most of the

people in this group. There is nobody from my batch who writes here regularly.

So I communicate with comrades who I don't know personally.Â Then the bonding

can only develop by sharing the thought process...though we may not agree on

many issues...but that is what growth is all about and that is what is a sign of

maturity.

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Why don't we give a call to Dr RavinÂ to monitorÂ the content of discussions as

a moderator and allow everything under the sun?

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Who knows the silent majority,Â who don't write,Â is on which side? I disagree

with Dr Ashok that they support the ban.

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I am afraid we haveÂ been reduced to a group of well wishersÂ by disallowing

discussions on some issues.

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To the people who think we are not mature enough to communicate with each other

rationally on important issues of Indian Politics and religion,I would say this:

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" Grow up guys "

Blinder Rana

Subject: Re: Re: Free Expression

To: mgims

Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 5:20 AM

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God and Politics are such sensitive topics that we can't help but be

passionate in our responses.

We may promise to behave all we want, but remember, the path to hell is

paved with good intentions. Soon, any healthy discussion will turn into a

deranged rant and abuse.

Why not enjoy discussing so many other things in life?

Meena, I commend your intentions, however, I just wish to remind you how

impassioned you yourself were when defending God. It had lead to so much

acrimony. If you have forgotten, you can access the old mails and see for

yourself.

I disagree with Ashish, when he says that there are only or two serious

contributors. Remember Ashish, our group is not about writing great

articles, but mainly about bonding. So if we wish somebody a happy birthday

or hope Mukund gets a great daughter-in-law, that is a bigger contribution

than any article that anyone can write. In fact I consider all those thank

you mails far more important than any article that I have ever written.

The one person I have come to deeply admire is Ashok Bhaskar. He has

metamorphosed into such a responsible and mature person. I remember, just

the other day we were all teaching him how to put spaces in his emails. Now

he puts forth such thoughtful and thought provoking pieces.

The other Ashok has tugged our reluctant heart strings to beat to the

unheard beat of the Neglected North East.

Shyam Kamath has disappeared now, but his mails were just about responding

to other people's mails. If all of us could emulate him, our group would

become such a beautiful and inter active space. We need not write long

articles, just respond with short one liners. That is enough for paradise.

Look at Prabha. She lets all of us know when she is landing in Sevagram and

tells us that the vada is suffering imminent extinction. Isn't that so

interesting to all of us who share the common vada and aloo bonda bond?

When anybody wants their son or daughter to settle in the US, Ashish comes

forward to guide and help them out. We may not know one another but we are

still family.

Parvin sends and occasional mail appreciating some point made. How

invaluable is that? Aasawari writes how she is anticipating Eid in Dubai.

Don't we all feel excited?

Our Sardar's (TS Oberoi) poems are so delightful and so apt. He adds just

the right lyrical touch to our mix.

Vinchurkar snatches time from his busy schedule managing the largest

diagnostic centre of North Maharashtra to say a few words on his Blackberry.

Raju Shah and Parag Shah pause their busy practice just to drop a line or

two. Aren't they contributors?

Ajay Gambhir and Dilip Kasare send some mails which I cannot understand. Yet

I like to read them. It tells me how diverse everyone is, yet so similar.

But most of all, there is that silent majority who just read our mails and

silently thank us. I have met many on my personal trips or at conferences,

and they have confessed that they do not write a single mail. Yet they enjoy

joining in the MGIMS Diaspora. How intriguing!

So many contributors and so many topics. Long live MGIMS! Or as Ajay Gambhir

would have put it: Jai Ho! Or As Meena would term it: Hare Krsna!

Kishore Shah 1974

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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:12 AM

To: <mgims >

Subject: Re: Re: Free Expression

> If one has to learn from the past mistakes I personally feel that we

> should keep religion/God out of this forum ! There are many many other

> burning or otherwise issues to discuss let's give God a break ! Moderator

> can take a call !! Vinchi 79

> Sent from my BlackBerryÂ® wireless device

>

> Re: Free Expression

>

> Dear Dr Ashish,

>

> I agree it's a shame, a shame that people take discussions as personal

> attacks. Lack of maturity, or brainwash, whatever. I have explained why

> the ban is in place.

>

> However, as I have mentioned in my reply to Dr Bharat, I am willing to

> listen. Let us have some more input.

>

> Ravin '82

>

>>

>> > The absolute seriousness of Ravin's response to 'Does God Exist?'

>> > really amused me. I did not know about any existing embargo on

>> > discussing certain topics. I have no serious interest in God's

>> > existence or in his affairs. I was just trying to explore my own mind.

>> > There are certain things which can sometimes crank up your neurons into

>> > action. God aroused my interest this time. I thought a few of you might

>> > find what I would write of some interest. More importantly, when God

>> > himself did not mind my feelings for Him, there is no justifiable

>> > reason for anybody else to object to such a benign issue.

>> > I like to share my thoughts with others (especially my friends). In

>> > fact, this exchange of thoughts always invigorates my mind. The

>> > ability to listen to the other person is the first prerequisite for any

>> > conversation to be successful. It reflects your willingness to engage

>> > the other person. Then comes the requirement of understanding what is

>> > said. This is a sign of intellectual maturity. If we lack this

>> > maturity, the communication will be either impossible or distorted. I

>> > am sure majority of us are willing to listen to one another and are

>> > mature enough to comprehend the form and content of the message.

>> > However, I have my own rules of meaningful communication: all our

>> > statements should be (1) honest, (2) correct and (3) appropriate.

>> > Beyond this, I have never felt the need to

>> > take into consideration any other factor.

>> > May I ask you for your views on this matter? I simply felt like writing

>> > about something, so here I am. I feel we have very few people writing

>> > beyond three sentences. (You may call it cynicism.) I am happy that I

>> > have given you something to read.

>> >

>> > Bharat

>> >

August 31, 2011

I hope the name you typed at the end of the mail is just a typo and does not

portend something!

Kishore Shah 1974

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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:48 AM

To: <mgims >

Subject: Re: Re: Free Expression:Grow up

> I am in complete agreement with Bharat and Ashish. You don't develop a

> camaraderie and bonding just by being in touch with each other on Bdays

> and condolences, exchanging mails at some other times when your son or

> daughter has joined some professional course and you need help. I have

> never met most of the people in this group. There is nobody from my batch

> who writes here regularly. So I communicate with comrades who I don't know

> personally. Then the bonding can only develop by sharing the thought

> process...though we may not agree on many issues...but that is what growth

> is all about and that is what is a sign of maturity.

>

> Why don't we give a call to Dr Ravin to monitor the content of

> discussions as a moderator and allow everything under the sun?

>

> Who knows the silent majority, who don't write, is on which side? I

> disagree with Dr Ashok that they support the ban.

>

> I am afraid we have been reduced to a group of well wishers by disallowing

> discussions on some issues.

>

> To the people who think we are not mature enough to communicate with each

> other rationally on important issues of Indian Politics and religion,I

> would say this:

>

> " Grow up guys "

>

> Blinder Rana

>

August 31, 2011

Though I am silent reader but time to speak. I totally agree with Balwinder. We

are mature enough to discuss everything. There should not be ban on any topic

of course with control of moderator. Aruna 87

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Re: Free Expression